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post #5821 of 6535
2/9/12 at 7:49am
When set to Large your speakers are Full Range. When set to small and lets say XO at 80 then everything @80v would be sent to sub. But you have no sub so everything gets sent to your speakers
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post #5822 of 6535
2/9/12 at 8:14am
That's what I thought. So the 6T's are needed as full to do their best as a sub. Like I mentioned earlier, its more than enough for my apartment (not even @ ref level) as the neighbors will complain.
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post #5823 of 6535
2/9/12 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by lou99 View Post

So are you saying that 6T's when set to Large (and LFE xover at 80) are not playing frequencies lower than 80hz?

No. Browninggold explained it correctly. But if the LFE xover is set at 80hz, your towers are not playing the LFE sounds above 80hz.

The LFE is a separate channel, and the "LFE crossover" is not actually a crossover but rather an upper limit. So, by setting it at 80hz, you are losing all signals in that channel between 80hz and 120hz (the upper limit of the LFE). Set the LFE to 120hz so that you are not losing the range of the LFE channel that will be sent to your towers since you do not have a sub. This will have no effect upon the non-LFE channel signals being directed to your towers from your AVR.
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post #5824 of 6535
2/9/12 at 3:37pm
I just read up on it, thanks so much. I thought LFE effects were for very low frequencies only. I'll keep the 6T's as full and LFE to 120.
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post #5825 of 6535
2/9/12 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by lou99 View Post

I just read up on it, thanks so much. I thought LFE effects were for very low frequencies only. I'll keep the 6T's as full and LFE to 120.

You're welcome. Looks like you've got it now. Your setup should be sounding pretty good. Enjoy!
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post #5826 of 6535
2/10/12 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by dsg2003gt View Post

Hello

I am considering the Aperion Versus Forte Tower fronts, Versus Forte center and Versus forte Satellites.

I am worried that the fronts wont have enough bass for my liking, I do about 30/30/30 music/movies/games. My room is 13x10 carpeteted with a 9ft ceiling. I can bring the speakers out from the front wall by 1-2 ft. I know I can try them at home, but everything I buy is a hassle in some way, so I am just looking for an opinion now.

If I weren't to go with aperion, I would try out the Energy RC-70, RC-LCR and RC-10 package. I am concerned with the RC package, that while the may have stronger bass, the package might be lacking in the midrange-vocals section.

Also, for my room and use, should I maybe consider the Intimus 5 series instead? Is the main difference between the two sets just the finish?

eta: If it matters, the speakers would be powered by a Pio 94 tsx.


Hello there,

I'll defer to alphaiii's unbiased opinion on Aperions vs. Energy, but the Intimus and Verus lines differ quite a bit in addition to the finishes. The two lines use different tweeters, although they are both silk dome in the Verus line it is a radiator style tweeter. The radiator tweeter is more stable in the cabinet and is more accurate and is less prone to distortion. It also can play a little deeper, so we can crossover to the midrange drivers a little lower which opens up the mids since they aren't straining to hit higher frequencies.

The other drivers in the Verus speakers are Kevlar, which is a stronger driver material than the fiberglass that the Intimus speakers use. The fiberglass is still quite rigid and strong, but the Kevlar gives you a faster and more accurate response and an overall tighter sound.

Finally the Verus towers are three way with dedicated mid and bass drivers while the Intimus towers are two way.

In your room for your usage, I think the Verus Forte set up would be great. The room is small so you don't need huge speakers and since you have an even mix of music/movies/games I think you would benefit from the Verus set up's higher sound quality.

I hope that helps!
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post #5827 of 6535
2/11/12 at 3:12pm
Aperion fam - What would you recommend for my hybrid setup (6T, 5C, 4BP, 4B)

~$500 budget and i'm looking to upgrade to Audyssey MultiEQ XT & 3D.

Onkyo 709 $490
Denon 2312CI for $529

Like every other post I guess it comes down to Onkyo vs Denon.

In this case, I'm thinking of trying Denon out this time around. I currently have a Onkyo 607.
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post #5828 of 6535
2/11/12 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Hello there,

I'll defer to alphaiii's unbiased opinion on Aperions vs. Energy, but the Intimus and Verus lines differ quite a bit in addition to the finishes. The two lines use different tweeters, although they are both silk dome in the Verus line it is a radiator style tweeter. The radiator tweeter is more stable in the cabinet and is more accurate and is less prone to distortion. It also can play a little deeper, so we can crossover to the midrange drivers a little lower which opens up the mids since they aren't straining to hit higher frequencies.

The other drivers in the Verus speakers are Kevlar, which is a stronger driver material than the fiberglass that the Intimus speakers use. The fiberglass is still quite rigid and strong, but the Kevlar gives you a faster and more accurate response and an overall tighter sound.

Finally the Verus towers are three way with dedicated mid and bass drivers while the Intimus towers are two way.

In your room for your usage, I think the Verus Forte set up would be great. The room is small so you don't need huge speakers and since you have an even mix of music/movies/games I think you would benefit from the Verus set up's higher sound quality.

I hope that helps!

Thanks Jason,

I will probably give the VF series a shot.
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post #5829 of 6535
2/11/12 at 6:40pm
>In this case, I'm thinking of trying Denon out this time around. I currently have a Onkyo 607.<<br />
Is what you are considering a major upgrade from what you have already? Audyssey MultiEQ XT & 3D the only things?
If not, save a few more bones and make a "boom" upgrade. I don't think you are moving up all that much power-wise.
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post #5830 of 6535
2/11/12 at 6:57pm
You can find really good deals on the Denon 4311 right now if you look around. I have the Denon A100 which is basically the same thing and am very happy with the A100. Had a Denon 3808 before that and my son has that now.
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post #5831 of 6535
2/12/12 at 6:18pm
I went with the Denon 2312, which cost a little over $530 shipped (refurbished from Denon dealer).
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post #5832 of 6535
2/12/12 at 6:45pm
Good choice do you have anything where you can use AirPlay. Just installed that recently on the A100 pretty neat add- on
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post #5833 of 6535
2/13/12 at 6:15pm
Just joined the flock and ordered up 2xVGB and 1xVGC! Very excited about this and hope they look and sound as good as they do in pictures and reviews.

I am pulling together a 3.1 system for the moment, probably 70/30 movies/music. I have my receiver setup (Pioneer 1121) and barring any issues with the speakers will need to then get a sub. Any of you out there with similar setups - what is a good sub matched these 3 Verus Grands? Looking to spend $500-700. Not looking for something to shake the whole house, just to fill out the bottom end cleanly.

Thanks!
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post #5834 of 6535
2/13/12 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by lou99 View Post

I went with the Denon 2312, which cost a little over $530 shipped (refurbished from Denon dealer).

Airplay just made it more desirable. Ive wanted to be able to play my Itunes library seamlessly for years. I'm currently using a optical cable and PC. Lets see how it goes...
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post #5835 of 6535
2/13/12 at 7:21pm
@ lou Also just purchased Klipsch G17 AirPlay speaker ez to setup and use with the iPod/iPad. Catches signal throughout the whole house
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post #5836 of 6535
2/14/12 at 5:56pm
Thinking about upgrading my old axiom setup and i have a few questions. Usage will be 90% ht and 10% music. Unfortunately i dont have the room for the grand center so im curious if the grand towers will match with the forte center or would i be better off with the forte towers? The forte center is the only one i can accommodate. Also will wall mounting the forte satellites for surround be ok since they are ported?
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post #5837 of 6535
2/14/12 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by derecha70 View Post

Just joined the flock and ordered up 2xVGB and 1xVGC! Very excited about this and hope they look and sound as good as they do in pictures and reviews.

I am pulling together a 3.1 system for the moment, probably 70/30 movies/music. I have my receiver setup (Pioneer 1121) and barring any issues with the speakers will need to then get a sub. Any of you out there with similar setups - what is a good sub matched these 3 Verus Grands? Looking to spend $500-700. Not looking for something to shake the whole house, just to fill out the bottom end cleanly.

Thanks!

I don't own the Verus Grands but the 6T and 6C. I've been really happy with the HSU VTF-15H. I have a fairly large room 6000 + cubic feet and that one sub gives quite a rumble. I haven't heard too many complaints if any about that sub. It is a bit more than your price range but I think you would be happy. Bring the thunder!!
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post #5838 of 6535
2/14/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by njfoses View Post

Thinking about upgrading my old axiom setup and i have a few questions. Usage will be 90% ht and 10% music. Unfortunately i dont have the room for the grand center so im curious if the grand towers will match with the forte center or would i be better off with the forte towers? The forte center is the only one i can accommodate. Also will wall mounting the forte satellites for surround be ok since they are ported?

The Verus line are timbre matched and lots of folks using the forte center with grands and getting great results. The forte satellites will work fine for surrounds...they don't go below 80 hz so you shouldn't have an issue being near a wall.
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post #5839 of 6535
2/14/12 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post

The Verus line are timbre matched and lots of folks using the forte center with grands and getting great results. The forte satellites will work fine for surrounds...they don't go below 80 hz so you shouldn't have an issue being near a wall.

Thanks. I know this is a highly subjective question but do you think its worth the extra $$ to get the grands in a system that will be used 90% of the time for movies/tv?
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post #5840 of 6535
2/14/12 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by njfoses View Post

Thanks. I know this is a highly subjective question but do you think its worth the extra $$ to get the grands in a system that will be used 90% of the time for movies/tv?

Not sure where you stand with a sub/size of room? You could have a nice system with the grand bookshelves, forte center/surrounds paired with a good/capable sub (or two)/med size room. On the other hand, you could probably get by with the towers, forte center/surrounds/no sub...but in my subjective opinion, I would opt for the sub option considering your listening habits...subs and movies at reference level are a match in heaven.

One thing to keep in mind, for movies/TV the most important speaker is the center channel (clear dialogue). Don't skimp there...if limited by size, the forte is still a solid speaker, but won't match the grand's output/AQ.
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post #5841 of 6535
2/15/12 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post

Not sure where you stand with a sub/size of room? You could have a nice system with the grand bookshelves, forte center/surrounds paired with a good/capable sub (or two)/med size room. On the other hand, you could probably get by with the towers, forte center/surrounds/no sub...but in my subjective opinion, I would opt for the sub option considering your listening habits...subs and movies at reference level are a match in heaven.

One thing to keep in mind, for movies/TV the most important speaker is the center channel (clear dialogue). Don't skimp there...if limited by size, the forte is still a solid speaker, but won't match the grand's output/AQ.

I already have a svs 20-39pc+ for sub duties. I would consider the room mid sized. I have axiom m22's as mains currently which are bookshelves on stands. I was looking at the towers as a change-up to my current setup. I wish i could fit the grand center but my stand for my dlp is only 15" high and when i factor in my other equipment it just wont fit.
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post #5842 of 6535
2/15/12 at 6:26am
Quick question. The VGC has a switch on it for boundary compensation. If I have it sitting on the floor on its doorstops angled slightly upward, which position should the switch be in?

Thanks.
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post #5843 of 6535
2/15/12 at 11:34pm
This is a question for USAFChief.

I noticed a while back you are powering your Forte Towers with the Outlaw 7125.

I just picked up a set of the Forte Towers and Center, and am looking to pull the trigger on an amp.

I am comparing the Outlaw 7125 (125 wpc) vs the Outlaw 7500 (200 wpc). Do you feel the 7125 gives enough overall power or would these speakers benefit significantly from the jump in power?

I do not care that the 7125 is 7 channel vs the 7500 5 channel as i will only ever use 5 channels.

More importantly, I would like to save money and get the 7125 vs the 7500, as it is $500 cheaper, that is, if you feel it is powerful enough to do the trick.

Your thoughts, any anyone else can chime in!
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post #5844 of 6535
2/16/12 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by ZiggityZeegs View Post

This is a question for USAFChief.

I noticed a while back you are powering your Forte Towers with the Outlaw 7125.

I just picked up a set of the Forte Towers and Center, and am looking to pull the trigger on an amp.

I am comparing the Outlaw 7125 (125 wpc) vs the Outlaw 7500 (200 wpc). Do you feel the 7125 gives enough overall power or would these speakers benefit significantly from the jump in power?

I do not care that the 7125 is 7 channel vs the 7500 5 channel as i will only ever use 5 channels.

More importantly, I would like to save money and get the 7125 vs the 7500, as it is $500 cheaper, that is, if you feel it is powerful enough to do the trick.

Your thoughts, any anyone else can chime in!

I would say that the 7125 would be fine depending on the size of the room. Unless the speakers are in a very large room, the 7125 should perform fine.
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post #5845 of 6535
2/16/12 at 1:38pm
Hahaha thanks, although I don't want to hear FINE, i want to hear wall shattering!

Now i have just leaned the other way and thinking of upgrading my AV Receiver. (Practically pulled the trigger on a Emo XPA-5)

Currently have an OLD Marantz SR4002 (80 watts/channel)

I am debating the following choices with noting that SOUND quality is the most important attribute.

All the following are around 120-140 WPC!

1) Anthem MRX 700
2) Onkyo TX-NR809
3) Marantz SR-6006
4) Yamaha RX-A2010
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post #5846 of 6535
2/16/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by ZiggityZeegs View Post

Hahaha thanks, although I don't want to hear FINE, i want to hear wall shattering!


I am debating the following choices with noting that SOUND quality is the most important attribute.

You seem to have a conflict of desire going on.
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post #5847 of 6535
2/16/12 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by ZiggityZeegs View Post

This is a question for USAFChief.

I noticed a while back you are powering your Forte Towers with the Outlaw 7125.

I just picked up a set of the Forte Towers and Center, and am looking to pull the trigger on an amp.

I am comparing the Outlaw 7125 (125 wpc) vs the Outlaw 7500 (200 wpc). Do you feel the 7125 gives enough overall power or would these speakers benefit significantly from the jump in power?

I do not care that the 7125 is 7 channel vs the 7500 5 channel as i will only ever use 5 channels.

More importantly, I would like to save money and get the 7125 vs the 7500, as it is $500 cheaper, that is, if you feel it is powerful enough to do the trick.

Your thoughts, any anyone else can chime in!

I can't compare the AQ between the 7125 to the 7500 related to these speakers, but I can say the 7125 is plenty of quality amplification in my 15 X 20 X 9 room. The 125 watts/ch is rated into 8 ohms. Into 4 ohms that’s ramped up to 190 watts/ch...at an average of 6 ohms, you're pumping out somewhere between the two and it's more than capable of driving the forte towers with clean power to spare…it’s a good amp conservitavely spec'd (not so with may mass market recievers). FYI…I listen at or slightly above reference quite regularly and AQ is also my most important attribute (other than budget).

Additionally, if you use a powered sub/reasonable crossover (I use 80 hz), you're freeing up the amp from the most power demanding freqs. I can confidently say zero issue.
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post #5848 of 6535
2/16/12 at 9:43pm
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Originally Posted by KevinG View Post

Quick question. The VGC has a switch on it for boundary compensation. If I have it sitting on the floor on its doorstops angled slightly upward, which position should the switch be in?

Thanks.

Tough call, my first inclination would be to say to go with the on stand position, but I would suggest trying both positions to see which sounds best for that placement.

Oh and if you can get it off the floor, even just a foot or two, I would recommend doing that.
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post #5849 of 6535
2/17/12 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by derecha70 View Post

Just joined the flock and ordered up 2xVGB and 1xVGC! Very excited about this and hope they look and sound as good as they do in pictures and reviews.

I am pulling together a 3.1 system for the moment, probably 70/30 movies/music. I have my receiver setup (Pioneer 1121) and barring any issues with the speakers will need to then get a sub. Any of you out there with similar setups - what is a good sub matched these 3 Verus Grands? Looking to spend $500-700. Not looking for something to shake the whole house, just to fill out the bottom end cleanly.

Thanks!

I have the VGT, VGC, VS, and HSU VTF-15H...
The setup is AWESOME for home theater!!!!! Can't get any better!!! My issue I have is hunting down all the rattles and squeaks coming from the house... But the sound quality is amazing!! You can't get a better sub unless you want to spend twice the money with an entry level JL Fathom or 12 times as much with a JL Gotham.

I highly recommend the Verus Grands and the HSU VTF!!!
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post #5850 of 6535
2/17/12 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Tough call, my first inclination would be to say to go with the on stand position, but I would suggest trying both positions to see which sounds best for that placement.

Oh and if you can get it off the floor, even just a foot or two, I would recommend doing that.

Not entirely sure that I have a full foot even. This seems like a good excuse to post photos of the recently finished basement. :-)

View of the rear showing eMotiva surrounds and Epson 5010 projector


View from the rear, screen up, showing VGTs, VGC, and VGBs (front presence), along with SVS PC13-Ultra.


Screen Down.


Closer view of the screen down...


Doesn't look like I have a foot to raise the center...but maybe a few inches on some sort of stand? Any suggestions?

Thanks!
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