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post #6151 of 6535
12/5/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Oven View Post

In my experience with Aperion (I have a full set of Verus Grand speakers that I love), there has only been one issue. And, take this with a grain of salt, because I have no idea how the company is run.
But, my experience has been that the ability to predict customer demand, and fulfill orders is the one thing Aperion is bad at. It seems things run out of stock, and are not available for months. Most companies "seem" to not have this issue. They are able to keep a steady flow of new product coming in as products are getting sold. It seems Aperion regularly run out of items, and it takes months to get them back in stock.
I had to wait a month for the black towers to come in stock, the dipole surrounds sold out, and, for the foreseeable future are not coming back in stock, and the Aperion rear speaker mounts were/are out of stock for over a month since I purchased my speakers.
This has been my one major gripe. The quality of the speakers is phenomenal, the sound is awesome, and the unboxing experience was the best i've had with speakers.
I'm sure the logistics are complicated when the speakers are made on the other side of the world, but it also seems like it's a solvable problem, and I hope Aperion gets better at predicting customer demand so that supply will maintain a steady flow.

You are preaching to the choir my friend, as someone in sales it is extremely frustrating for me that we continue to have issues meeting the demand for our speakers.

When you talk to people who want our product but we have an out of stock situation that is dragging on for weeks or months it is no fun for anyone.

Having said that I am continually impressed by how understanding our customers are by and large, the Aperion customer base really is a great group of people for the most part. So to everyone out there that has stuck with us despite items being out of stock please let me say THANK YOU, your willingness to be patient is one of the best compliments we can receive.

Other than that all I can say is that we hope to do better in 2013, and as far as the Verus Grand Towers and subwoofers go, January is looking like it will indeed be an improvement.
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post #6152 of 6535
12/6/12 at 1:06pm
Hicks,

Is there any possibility that Aperion Audio will offer a subwoofer w/a high-gloss cherry-wood veneer during 2013?
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post #6153 of 6535
12/7/12 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post

Hicks,
Is there any possibility that Aperion Audio will offer a subwoofer w/a high-gloss cherry-wood veneer during 2013?

No, sorry, there are no plans to offer cherry subs at this time.
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post #6154 of 6535
12/9/12 at 12:44pm
My dad just bought a pair of Verus Forte Towers and a Forte Center. However, the center is a bit lacking in clarity, openness, and "mid-bass" oomph compared to the Forte Towers (when switching back and forth). That probably has something to do with the much smaller cabinet size of the Forte Center.

My folks love movies and music. And really like my multi-channel music discs with full range audio all around.

Since the center speaker is still considered the most important one for movie soundtracks and my father has some hearing loss, I was wondering if the Verus Grand center would be a better fit for our needs?

Would the three-way Grand Center sonically match up well with the three-way Forte towers, or was it voice matched for use with only the Grand Towers given the Grand model line's driver compliment? The Forte has the smaller 4-inch bass drivers and the Grand center has the 6-inch bass drivers of the Grand Towers.

Later on in the future, my father may get a pair of Grand Towers and move the Forte's to the back for surround duties, but that is still up in the air. Right now, his emphasis is on over all dialog and vocal clarity.

Personally, I have a set of Paradigm Studios and their big, brawny CC-690 center and love the sound (much better than their smaller CC-590), though I have their largest Model 100 towers up front too.

Any advice?
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 12/9/12 at 2:22pm
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post #6155 of 6535
12/9/12 at 6:47pm
I ordered a pair of Verus Grand fronts and the matching center.. Should have them by thursday smile.gif
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post #6156 of 6535
12/10/12 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

My dad just bought a pair of Verus Forte Towers and a Forte Center. However, the center is a bit lacking in clarity, openness, and "mid-bass" oomph compared to the Forte Towers (when switching back and forth). That probably has something to do with the much smaller cabinet size of the Forte Center.
My folks love movies and music. And really like my multi-channel music discs with full range audio all around.
Since the center speaker is still considered the most important one for movie soundtracks and my father has some hearing loss, I was wondering if the Verus Grand center would be a better fit for our needs?
Would the three-way Grand Center sonically match up well with the three-way Forte towers, or was it voice matched for use with only the Grand Towers given the Grand model line's driver compliment? The Forte has the smaller 4-inch bass drivers and the Grand center has the 6-inch bass drivers of the Grand Towers.
Later on in the future, my father may get a pair of Grand Towers and move the Forte's to the back for surround duties, but that is still up in the air. Right now, his emphasis is on over all dialog and vocal clarity.
Personally, I have a set of Paradigm Studios and their big, brawny CC-690 center and love the sound (much better than their smaller CC-590), though I have their largest Model 100 towers up front too.
Any advice?

Hello Dan,

Sure you can use the Verus Grand Center with the Forte Towers, the Grand and Forte lines are timbre matched so mixing speakers from both series does not pose a problem. If you haven't already you might try dropping the crossover of the Forte Center to 70 Hz and maybe boost the level by a 3-4 dB. Of course it still won't give you the clarity and detail of the Grand Center, but it couldn't hurt to give that a shot.

I hope that helps!
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

I ordered a pair of Verus Grand fronts and the matching center.. Should have them by thursday smile.gif

Awesome, thanks for the order and enjoy!
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post #6157 of 6535
12/11/12 at 8:54am
What kind of receiver are you using? Does it have any type of room correction software. You need to run that. You also need an SPL meter to set the speakers. You can go into setup and turn the center up a few db's and you should be ok..
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post #6158 of 6535
12/11/12 at 8:55am
How do you like the sound? What is the sound like? I get mine on friday.. Can't wait.. smile.gif
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post #6159 of 6535
12/11/12 at 12:26pm
What is everyone's thoughts in the bookshelf grands matched with my denon 1612. Which is 75 watts per ch. my room is 13x17x8 and I have a pb12. I am 90%ht 10% music. I like to listen at around -10dbs for movies.

Thoughts would be appreciated
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post #6160 of 6535
12/11/12 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

What kind of receiver are you using? Does it have any type of room correction software. You need to run that. You also need an SPL meter to set the speakers. You can go into setup and turn the center up a few db's and you should be ok..

The folks have a mid level Denon and I have run the Audyssey calibration already. Could also be the fact that the Grand Center seems to be a true 3-way design with separate tweeter and midrange drivers to help in the frequency range of the human voice (along with the larger bass drivers). I had a hunch this would be the outcome, but my dad didn't want to spend double the money for the Grand.

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Hicks, thanks for the suggestion. It looks like we might be looking into the Grand Center and returning the Forte within the 30 day return window.
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post #6161 of 6535
12/11/12 at 1:48pm
Can you just bump the volume on the center up a little?
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post #6162 of 6535
12/11/12 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

The folks have a mid level Denon and I have run the Audyssey calibration already. Could also be the fact that the Grand Center seems to be a true 3-way design with separate tweeter and midrange drivers to help in the frequency range of the human voice (along with the larger bass drivers). I had a hunch this would be the outcome, but my dad didn't want to spend double the money for the Grand.
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We bought a Forte center with Grand bookshelves (we have an SVS PC-12 Plus sub, so low end isn't a worry). The bookshelf speakers are perfect, but we also think the Forte center isn't enough for our space. We'll be upgrading to the Grand center as soon as we can also get a new cabinet that will accommodate it. We've tried adjusting the crossover and boosting the level. It's still not enough.
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post #6163 of 6535
12/11/12 at 6:38pm
How many of you guys own Aperion speakers, and what's your experiences?
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post #6164 of 6535
12/12/12 at 6:07am
I had tried 3 times to buy aperion speakers, on each occasion they were out of stock, I have giving up on trying to buy their speakers.
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post #6165 of 6535
12/12/12 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by panzer View Post

I had tried 3 times to buy aperion speakers, on each occasion they were out of stock, I have giving up on trying to buy their speakers.
So you came here just to post this? Not sure what ones you wanted but I had no problem getting my Verus Grands.
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post #6166 of 6535
12/12/12 at 8:26am
They do have problems keeping them in stock. They are trying to catch up. I got some A stock or I was going to have to pass one them also. So I get mine tomorrow. I hope they are as good as the reviews say they are.. I don't want to send them back,they are very heavy.. I'm still waiting for someone on here to tell me how they sound,bass,treble and mids.. smile.gif
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post #6167 of 6535
12/12/12 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

They do have problems keeping them in stock. They are trying to catch up. I got some A stock or I was going to have to pass one them also. So I get mine tomorrow. I hope they are as good as the reviews say they are.. I don't want to send them back,they are very heavy.. I'm still waiting for someone on here to tell me how they sound,bass,treble and mids.. smile.gif
They are an internet only based company that pretty much has to stay as close to made to order as they can, they can't be like other dealers who have can stock sitting in "dealers" all over the country.
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post #6168 of 6535
12/12/12 at 10:11am
I realize that,but they could have a few extra pairs sitting around for stock. They are made in China,it isn't realistic to place an order then wait for them to be made and shipped. I'm sure they order them ahead of time,but they under estimate how many orders they get.. In fact that's exactly what they told me on the phone..
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post #6169 of 6535
12/12/12 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

I realize that,but they could have a few extra pairs sitting around for stock. They are made in China,it isn't realistic to place an order then wait for them to be made and shipped. I'm sure they order them ahead of time,but they under estimate how many orders they get.. In fact that's exactly what they told me on the phone..
To me that also says how people are liking their speakers as well.
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post #6170 of 6535
12/12/12 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

What is everyone's thoughts in the bookshelf grands matched with my denon 1612. Which is 75 watts per ch. my room is 13x17x8 and I have a pb12. I am 90%ht 10% music. I like to listen at around -10dbs for movies.
Thoughts would be appreciated

Even though your room isn't that big 75 watts/channel from an AVR is on the low end of what I recommend for our bookshelf models. If it were me I'd go with a more sensitive speaker like the 4T or 5T. You can certainly give it a shot but I'm not sure you'll get the most out of the Verus Grand Bookshelves with the receiver. I hope that helps!
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I had tried 3 times to buy aperion speakers, on each occasion they were out of stock, I have giving up on trying to buy their speakers.

I'm not trying to make excuses but keep in mind that these speakers are not mass produced product, each is hand made so that increases the production time.

Beyond that, I don't know that waiting for them to come back in stock is the best strategy if you really want a pair of Verus Grand Towers. For instance, right now if you put an order in for a pair of VGTs in black the wait is only about two weeks for them to be shipped. If you wait until they arrive at the end of December the shipment may sell out before it gets here or a couple of days after it arrives, so you can easily miss out if you wait. Since we just authorize your card at the time of your order, which is a hold on the funds for just a few days, but don't actually charge the card until we ship out. So I don't really see any disadvantage to putting in the order when they are out of stock.

I know it's not ideal, but placing the order as early as possible will ensure that you get in on that next shipment.
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post #6171 of 6535
12/12/12 at 1:30pm
A lot of times,people don't want to wait that long. I wouldn't want to place an order for speakers knowing they are 2 weeks to a month out. Especially when I had no way of hearing them before I order them.. Mine are showing up tomorrow,but I only had to wait 4 days. Otherwise I would have gotten some Sonus Fabers Veneres that are in stock at BB by my house.. But ,then again I'm impatient.. wink.gif
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post #6172 of 6535
12/12/12 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

A lot of times,people don't want to wait that long. I wouldn't want to place an order for speakers knowing they are 2 weeks to a month out. Especially when I had no way of hearing them before I order them.. Mine are showing up tomorrow,but I only had to wait 4 days. Otherwise I would have gotten some Sonus Fabers Veneres that are in stock at BB by my house.. But ,then again I'm impatient.. wink.gif

I get it, waiting is no fun. But on the other hand we are talking about a product that you will be able to use and enjoy for many, many years. So I hope that for the majority of our customers when they do get our speakers that they are worth the wait.
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post #6173 of 6535
12/12/12 at 7:29pm
I'll let you know tomorrow.. :P Donovan was awesome to work with... wink.gif
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post #6174 of 6535
12/15/12 at 8:17am
Here are my thoughts on speaker comparisons.

Def tech 8060's, B&W CM9's - Their tweeters were too bright for my taste. Both have a metallic sound to them that I didn't like. The def techs are butt ugly. The CM9's are beautiful..

Martin Logan Electromotion ESL's.. Liked them to a point. Small sweet spot,can sound hollow,the glare off the film started to drive me crazy after a while. They don't produce much bass either. But,I did like them because they were diff.

Mirage OMD 15's,C2,OMDR's. Very nice speakers,clear sound,great finish.I only sold them because I made some money off them.. If I had the 28's and all my speakers were gloss black,I'd never sell them..

Monitor Audio RX8's,RX center. Very nice speakers,build quality 2nd to none. Tons of bass,nice clear highs. Honestly,if the white ones I got were actually white,I would have kept them. If they were black,I would have kept them..The only issue I have with them is the center channel is good for a smaller room,but it sounded small in my room. I also love how the grilles attach magnetically.

Aperion Verus Grand Towers,Verus Grand Center. Just got them obviously,so the verdict is still out for a bit. I want to give them a fair chance before I send them back.. JK guys.. :P These are the biggest speakers I've had. The ML's were a little taller ,but weigh half of what the VGT's do. So far,I like the sound. They remind me of the detail of the CM9's without the bright tweeter. The VGT's are smoother sounding. They have the most bass I've heard from a tower speaker yet. Honest to god,for 2 channel music ,its the 1st speaker I can say,you don't need a sub. But.. When I cross them at 80 hz and use my sub,it smoothes the bass out and sounds much better. The speakers are clear,articulate without any listening fatigue at all. They fill my room more than any other speakers. The center channel is an absolute beast! The Mirage C2 and the VGT center are really close in performance. But like I said,I need more time with the Aperions. Their return policy is great,but returning them would suck,they are really heavy and would be difficult to pack up. The unboxing that people rave about was average for me. Maybe because they were all open boxes. These are the kind of speaker that if you listen to a good recording ,they are going to shine..
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post #6175 of 6535
12/17/12 at 3:13pm
Holy Balls! Just did the upgrade program with Aperion and switched my Verus Forte Towers and Center for the Grand in glorious veneer cherry and I cannot believe the difference these made. The Forte's were very nice but I am still in awe of the difference. I just demoed the prologue from TDKR and it floored me how much crisper and clearer everything was. Bravo Aperion! Great customer service and all around great guys. My Xmas is now officially awesome.
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post #6176 of 6535
12/17/12 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

Here are my thoughts on speaker comparisons.
Def tech 8060's, B&W CM9's - Their tweeters were too bright for my taste. Both have a metallic sound to them that I didn't like. The def techs are butt ugly. The CM9's are beautiful..
Martin Logan Electromotion ESL's.. Liked them to a point. Small sweet spot,can sound hollow,the glare off the film started to drive me crazy after a while. They don't produce much bass either. But,I did like them because they were diff.
Mirage OMD 15's,C2,OMDR's. Very nice speakers,clear sound,great finish.I only sold them because I made some money off them.. If I had the 28's and all my speakers were gloss black,I'd never sell them..
Monitor Audio RX8's,RX center. Very nice speakers,build quality 2nd to none. Tons of bass,nice clear highs. Honestly,if the white ones I got were actually white,I would have kept them. If they were black,I would have kept them..The only issue I have with them is the center channel is good for a smaller room,but it sounded small in my room. I also love how the grilles attach magnetically.
Aperion Verus Grand Towers,Verus Grand Center. Just got them obviously,so the verdict is still out for a bit. I want to give them a fair chance before I send them back.. JK guys.. :P These are the biggest speakers I've had. The ML's were a little taller ,but weigh half of what the VGT's do. So far,I like the sound. They remind me of the detail of the CM9's without the bright tweeter. The VGT's are smoother sounding. They have the most bass I've heard from a tower speaker yet. Honest to god,for 2 channel music ,its the 1st speaker I can say,you don't need a sub. But.. When I cross them at 80 hz and use my sub,it smoothes the bass out and sounds much better. The speakers are clear,articulate without any listening fatigue at all. They fill my room more than any other speakers. The center channel is an absolute beast! The Mirage C2 and the VGT center are really close in performance. But like I said,I need more time with the Aperions. Their return policy is great,but returning them would suck,they are really heavy and would be difficult to pack up. The unboxing that people rave about was average for me. Maybe because they were all open boxes. These are the kind of speaker that if you listen to a good recording ,they are going to shine..

Awesome thanks for taking the time to write that up, it sounds like we are stacking up pretty well against the competition so far!

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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

What Front speakers do you have that can replace my 533T's? I contacted you and I ended up getting a 'used' crossover to try using in my 533T since the tweeters kept clipping and that didn't help. I got a new AVR and it still occurs. My other speakers are 634VAC, 534SS, 534LR and an S10 so they need to timbre match them. Let me know.

The 5Ts would be the closest match to what you have.

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Originally Posted by jhild80 View Post

Holy Balls! Just did the upgrade program with Aperion and switched my Verus Forte Towers and Center for the Grand in glorious veneer cherry and I cannot believe the difference these made. The Forte's were very nice but I am still in awe of the difference. I just demoed the prologue from TDKR and it floored me how much crisper and clearer everything was. Bravo Aperion! Great customer service and all around great guys. My Xmas is now officially awesome.

Excellent glad to hear the Grands are flooring you, enjoy!
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post #6177 of 6535
12/17/12 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Awesome thanks for taking the time to write that up, it sounds like we are stacking up pretty well against the competition so far!
The 5Ts would be the closest match to what you have.
Excellent glad to hear the Grands are flooring you, enjoy!

They are great. Can really hear the difference. Also what are your thoughts on the Marantz SR6006 running all of the Verus Grands and the Verus Dipole/Bipoles?

Another question while doing Audessey with the Marantz SR6006 it put the Xover on my Verus Dipole/Bipoles at 200, is that too high and should I lower it to 80 (I've heard you should not lower with Audessey)

Also if anyone is interested Aperion should have open box cherry Verus Forte Towers and a Forte Center that I did in the upgrade program. Sent them back today.
Edited by jhild80 - 12/18/12 at 6:23pm
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post #6178 of 6535
12/18/12 at 5:03pm
Just ordered a 5-speaker set of Verus Grands (towers, center, bookshelves) in cherry. Can't wait for them to show up!
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post #6179 of 6535
12/18/12 at 6:34pm
That's awesome you really like them.The cherry looks nice also.
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post #6180 of 6535
12/18/12 at 7:51pm
Ok guys I'm trying to decide what system to buy, I've been looking at the Intimus 5T Hybrid HD and the Versus Forte Tower SD. I would be using it for 40% movies, 30% gaming and 30% music. I'm looking to pair the speakers with a Denon AVR-2113CI. Room is medium size with a rectangular shape. Looking to get your opinions on which system would work best for me and what the differences are between the two speakers setups. Thanks.
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