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The verus fortes would be better, but I don't think you can get them til march. I bet they would let you upgrade from the 5t's when the verus fortes beco me available.

I think the SR6006 is a great choice to power a system in a room up about 20X20 or so. Yeah I think 200 Hz is too high for the Verus Surrounds. I am sure you can find an Audyssey aficionado to disagree with me but I would not set the crossover any lower than 100 Hz. I would try 80 and 100 and see which sounds better to you.

For movies and gaming I don't think you'll hear a huge difference between the two systems, but for music the Verus speakers will give you smoother treble and a fuller midrange because the towers are three way. Whether or not that updgrade is worth it for 30% of your usage is up to you, but I will say that a lot of of folks find themselves listening to more music once they get a new system.

As for availability we are pushed out quite a ways on the Fortes in black to April, sorry about that. But the system in cherry is available now, except for the Forte Satellites that will be here in about three weeks.

I hope that helps!

Also, we now have Verus Grand Towers available in both finishes, so for all those folks that have been waiting now is the time to order, thanks!

Hi everybody,


I thought I would share with you my experience with Aperion speakers….


First time I heard of Aperion was earlier this year when my father came back from a trip in the US (we live in Canada).
While on his trip, he had the chance to listen to a complete Verus Forte system and was really impressed, to say the least !
Back home, he went listening to other brands of speakers but he was always coming back to Aperion.
Finally in mid-october, i ordered a complete cherry finish Verus Forte home theater system for him, with the Bravus 8D subwoofer.
The complete system came in 2 weeks later in perfect shape and needless to say the cherry finish is simply gorgeous as others have stated earlier.

We hooked everything to his Anthem MRX 300 and start listening to the Forte towers, no ARC, stereo only and no sub.
I still remember the first song we played, ‘’Your Latest Trick, from Dire Straits’’. To make a long story short, it was simply delightfull, no less
Immediately the mids and the highs impressed me a lot, with everything being clear and natural.
Because of the size of these little towers, i was not expecting a ton of low end coming out of them, but i was in for another nice surprise.
As expected, they did not blew the roof out of the house but i find out that for their size, they were doing really good with the low end.
During the following days, we played with Anthem ARC and speakers position to get the best out of them and after listening to a lot of music, i ended up being really impressed by their performance.
The room is about 13’ X 16’ with 8’ ceiling and unless we really want deep bass, most of the time the sub is not used when music is played.

For movies, I did not have a chance to listen to any movie on this system so I cannot comment on their performance as a home theater system but judging by their great performance with music, i bet they are going to do well.

Then a couple of days later, back in my home and still stuck with what I call now, the '‘Aperion grin’’ in my face, i decided to pull the trigger for a set of cherry finish VGT as my birthday gift
I choosed the VGT over the Forte because i have a large room area to fill, the living room, dining room and the kitchen being all open to each other.
I was a bit concerned on how the VGT would perform in a large area like that ......
I placed the order in early November and they came in 3 weeks later in pristine condition.
I hooked them to my MRX 300 and start listening to some music with my wife.
When we heard the first notes coming out of the VGT, we immediately knew they were going to fill the bill
We spent the rest of the day listening to Mark Knopfler and his band that were followed by Pink Floyd and many other artists for a memorable listening experience that confirmed i had made the right choice with the VGT

I don’t have the talent of some others here to describe the sound coming out of speakers and english is not my first language so it’s even harder for me to provide you with an highly detailed review on how these towers sounds.
Compare to the Forte, the soundstage coming out of the VGT is larger and of course, they have more low ends.
The sound coming from both towers, the Forte and the VGT, is well balanced with great vocals and highs, everything coupled with really nice bass for music. They really are a joy to listen to.
After listening numerous times to a pair of Tannoy Arden that belongs to a long time friend, and listening to some other good quality speakers over the years, i can tell you the VGT and the Forte are really great speakers, they have a lot to offer for the money.

We did watch some blu-rays with the VGT, using Polk RTi A3 i already have for surround, but no sub and center channel yet.
Nevertheless, this was, and still is, a great experience. Clearly the VGT are at ease in a home theater system, can’t wait to add the VGC center and a sub in 2013.

I did take a chance by ordering the VGT without hearing them.
Add to that that shipping to Canada is free for one way only, we have to pay shipping for return if we don't like them (and i understand the reason for that, i'm not complaining), and you can imagine how nervous i was when i pulled the trigger
But after 3 weeks listening to the VGT and spending numerous hours playing with the Forte, i still have this '' Aperion grin'' in my face !
I think that says it all, the Forte and the VGT have found new homes

That's my experience with Aperion, which was great in all aspect, and sorry for the long post, i promise i'll try to shorten things out next time !

Awesome Niavlys thanks for posting!

If you would like to post a user review on our site it would be most appreciated and I will even send you a free hat for your trouble!

Hat or not, i'll be pleased to do it
You guys have done a great job with these speakers, keep up the good work !

Requests for a Cherry sub have been made several times and yet there are no plans to offer the sub in this finish. Hicks, will you explain why? It must be a business decision - do you think there is a lack of demand?
Thanks.

Anyone have experience with Versus Forte Satellite speaker?

thanks

Hello,
I was wondering if anybody knew why the Versus Dipole surrounds were discontinued? I have a pair which I bought in Feb 2012 matched with Verus Forte towers and center? Do Dipole surrounds suck? I know they give a more dispersed effect and is recommended by THX but not Dolby labs. They have a switch to make them Bipole. I thought they were a great idea when I got them.

http://www.aperionaudio.com/verus-surround-dipole-bipole-speaker

Any insight? Thanks, Jay

I asked them about this a while back. Apparently they are having trouble sourcing the drivers, but should have them back in stock at some point.

They should put the bipoles back on the site so people can pre order. That way they know a minimum number they need to order to be manufactured.

Alright I think I might be going with Aperion, unless I get a killer boxing week sale on Paradigms which I'll find out tomorrow, but is there much of a difference between the Verus Forte and Grand? I have about a $1000CDN to spend so I was thinking of going for the bookshelf's and centre then the towers later and use my crappy rears for the meantime, as right now and for the next 6-8 months my movie room is small like 25ft long, 10 feet wide and about 12 feet high so the room isn't big right now but I'm sick of these crap speakers and one is blown, so any suggestions? right now I have an energy ESW-8 sub and an HK AVR254 for the AVR. I'm guessing with the size of my room right now I could go without the centre for now?
Edited by Ryder125 - 12/27/12 at 12:39am

Hey All, if any one is interested in some Cherry Verus Grand, Bravus II 8D and other items just shoot me a message for details.

Thank you,

IZETECI - Tigard, OR

Actually I take it back, you can get a cherry sub from us with the Custom Finish Program. Sorry about that, because it's a new program it slips my mind. At $1299 for the 12D I think it's a pretty fair price for an item that is made especially for you.

As for why we discontinued the cherry subs we were going to have to increase prices to keep carrying both finishes. So instead we dropped the cherry subs so we could keep the prices the same. We also did some market research that indicated that most folks are tucking their sub away in a not very visible location and the color of the finish is not that important. However, I will bring up the requests for cherry subs at our next product development meeting. I can't guarantee anything, but I am always happy to be the voice of our customers within our internal decision making processes.


As soon as we have a confirmed production run underway I will put them back up. As it is now I still don't have a solid date as to when they will ship, so I don't want to put something up only to let people down when I need to push the date back. I am hoping we get things sorted out and back on track soon, as there is definitely a good amount of pent up demand for this product. Thanks for hanging in there, I appreciate it!


The difference between the Verus Grands and Fortes is pretty apparent, especially if we are talking about the Satellites and Bookshelves. Personally I think the Forte Satellites are best suited for surround duty as they just don't have the midrange and soundstage width to serve as fronts unless you are doing near field listening. I think you should probably be fine with the Forte Center as long as you are sitting within 12-13 feet of it, but if you can do the Verus Grand Bookhshelves I recommend them.

I don't think I've mentioned it here yet but there is going to be a price increase for the Verus Grand line next week. I am not too happy about it myself, but we have kept the prices at the same level for over two years while production costs have continually gone up, so we really don't have much choice in the matter. However there is still a few days to get in on the current prices, so if you are thinking about ordering our Verus speakers I highly recommend you pull the trigger before next Wednesday the 2nd. Even at the new prices I think they are still a great deal, but I want everyone who can to get in on the current pricing, thanks!

Hicks,

How much are they going up? Going to for the grand bookshelves, might buy the grand center before that deadline then too

A couple of the product pages have been updated with the price increase notice:

Verus Grand Towers: $899 each --> $999 each (+100)
Verus Grand Tower XD: $3994 --> $4395 (+401)

So it's 10-11% overall.

Those were the only two pages I could find with any price increase indication as of this moment. Given that the Grand Tower XD has increased by $401, and the tower price increase would only account for half of that, I think the VGC and VGBs will also see increases -- but they're simply not rolled out to the web site yet.

oh that price jump isn't that big of a deal.

K so would I be missing out on much if I run the VGB without a center for a few months in my sized room? I'm thinking of buying the Grand Bookshelves now and the Grand center with my tax return and then the towers when I get into a bigger place. Also, my HK AVR should be fine with these speakers? this is mostly TV/Movies and I don't really crank the volume high. I'd buy the Forte centre now, $350 is something I could swing with the bookshelves but they don't have the black in stock. Or should I go with the 5Ts? errrrrr speaker shopping is hard stuff, there's a few things I dislike shopping for cars being one of them cause there is just so many to pick from and speakers are making a case now. Looks like I've narrowed down the brand to Aperion, no good local sales on Paradigms and Aperions prices are very solid and reviews seem very high on them, now I just gotta decide on what ones and how to start this, for movies will I notice much of a difference between the 2 series? and would the 5Ts with there center and book shelves be fine in a bigger room later on? what I want is solid movie performance, like I'm really there.
Edited by Ryder125 - 12/28/12 at 12:37am

Congrats on your purchase. Can you tell me what speaker you're using or planning to buy for the subwoofer?
I purchased a Intimus 6T-DB Hybrid XD 7.1 speaker package from Aperion Audio during 2009. The amp in my Bravus 12D subwoofer failed earlier this year and Aperion Audio refunded the purchase price of the sub.

Since then I have been looking for a replacement subwoofer to complement my cherry Intimus speakers but unfortunately most of the high-end manufacturers (e.g. SVS, HSU, etc.) have also dropped the cherry wood veneer finish as an option.

Currently, I am considering the 15.0 subwoofer w/custom cherry finish option from Funk Audio. However this speaker has a 15" front firing high excursion driver w/a 500 watt class D amplifier versus Aperion's Single down-firing active 12" aluminum driver, w/Dual side-firing 12" aluminum passive radiators and a 650 watt Class D amplifier (or my Bravus 12D w/dual side-firing active 12” aluminum drivers and a 500 watt BASH amplifier). I am not sure what, if any, significant impact one subwoofer versus another will have on my HT system or the detailed specifications of the driver/amp configurations? The subwoofer will be placed next to one of the Intimus 6T tower speakers along the living room wall, facing forward towards the seated area.
My primary considerations for looking at Funk Audio are: price, custom cabinet quality, driver/amp quality and footprint size.
Is the custom Bravus II 12D powered subwoofer made with the same "Furniture-grade gloss cherry wood veneer" that the Verus series speakers have?

I noticed the speaker's cherry finish has darkened some during the past three years (same goes for the cherry kitchen cabinets and HW floors in my home). Would Aperion’s custom finish match my existing speakers or is this not recommended?

I just jumped on the Verus Grand train before the price increase! Towers, Center, and bookshelves for surrounds. Going to be a heck of a change from my current Def Tech Mythos setup!

Donovan at the Aperion Office was awesome. Also gave me some great things to think about for the electronics side of things...

I'm going to have a Bravus II 10d ($699, biggest in stock at the time I placed the order) going up against an SVS PB12-NSD ($769). The SB-12 ($649) might be a fairer comparison, but I wanted to trial a speaker with extension below 20Hz (at -3db) to see what all the fuss is about, and I apparently needed to choose a ported design to get there.

But as great as it will be to finally have a "real sub", I'm honestly looking forward to having the Verus Grand towers more than about anything else. So beautiful...

The VGBs will be $699/pair and the VGC will be $799.

I think you will probably want a center, keep in mind it's the most important speaker for home theater, so if it were me I try to get one right off the bat. I have a Forte Center in open box stock at the moment, if you call me today I'll be happy to sell it to you for $315. As for your other question for mostly movies I think the differences between the Verus and Intimus lines are not as apparent as they are for music. The 5Ts do really well in a room up to 20X25 or so for home theater so a tower speaker definitely does give you more freedom to move up to a larger space than a bookshelf. I bet you would be really happy with the 5T/5C set up, but it will be quite a bit more than the VGB/VFC set.


Sure we can do either the Verus Gloss Cherry or the original Intimus cherry. However since they are made from real wood there are variations from lot to lot, I would not be able to guarantee a perfect match to your existing speakers. It should be fairly close though.


Excellent thanks for the order and glad to hear Donovan took care of you!

Thanks for the heads up on the VGC price increase, just ordered mine.

On a different subject ....
I’ve read a couple of times on different forums that a speaker that is good with music is not good with movies.
To date i’ve watched about 20 movies on blu-rays with the VGT and the sound quality is as great as it is with music.
Honestly i see nothing negative with that and i’m still scratching my head why i should ......... and why it should be different !

Maybe it’s because i have no experience with home theater systems, i don’t know .......
Edited by Niavlys - 12/28/12 at 4:23pm

Hey aperion owners - is there anyone within an hour drive of 06401 that has the verus grand towers that would be willing to do a demo for me? Please let me know w/ a reply quote or inbox thanks!

Justin

I just did this exact upgrade. HUGE difference. I didn't get to see them before hand, so I wasn't quite prepared for the size difference either. But I love the speakers.

Just spent an evening with the new setup. ...Holy smokes. Gorgeous, rich, beautiful. The towers are the stars of course, but I'll be damned if the Verus Grand Center doesn't steal the show. Tron Legacy was spectacular, and music -- oh heavens, music, even internet radio stations, is phenomenal.

The kids and I watched Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix this morning, and they were rapt throughout.

I am thrilled with this setup.

Edit after a little more time with some orchestral music: what I didn't expect is that I could get that enveloping and engrossing experience that you normally only get from the better seats of a symphony hall right here on my couch. It's like being in the presence of the music itself.

Why did I wait so long before buying speakers this good? I weep for lost time.
Edited by jrnewquist - 12/29/12 at 1:37pm

There are definitely different ideas out there on the topic. However, our philosophy at Aperion is that music is more demanding of a speaker because it tends to be more complex material. So with that in mind we voice all of our tower and bookshelf models for music first and foremost with the idea that if they do well for music they will also be outstanding for home theater. The exceptions to the rule are our center channels that we voice specifically for movie dialogue and our bipole/dipole speakers that we design for surround effects.


Excellent, glad to hear you are both enjoying them, thanks for posting your impressions!

I'm going to be on vacation for the rest of the week, so I apologize in advance for not being around these parts.

I'll be back next Monday, but if there is something pressing feel free to e-mail us at customerservice@aperionaudio.com and the other guys will be happy to help you.

Thanks and happy new year to everyone!

Hi Jason, since our conversation last week where you were unsure regarding what the custom finish option entailed I had another chat session with one of your colleagues who said:

"the custom finish is only for Verus speakers"

I was hoping that was the case... but unfortunately it was more than 10-11% for some models - VGB pair, VFB pair, and VFC all went up $100....

Shame I have to add Aperion to the list of brands whose price increases have priced them out of future consideration, at least for the foreseeable future... Aperion isn't the first to do it, and it doesn't really come as a surprise given rising costs of, well everything these days... but it still sucks. At some point I really wanted to try the VGB.

Side note - I did also notice, before the price hikes, that open box Verus items were priced only 10% less than new, instead of 15% as in the past ( (example - open box VFC was $304 instead of $297). Will it continue to be only 10% discount now that base price has gone up?

Guess I should have bought some open box VGB for $508 when I still had the chance.

Yeah, I was looking this week on getting the version gran and the center, but with that jump on the price now I'm thinking on going monitor audio Rx series, plus they have a better look.

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Aperion has one of the best perks with free both way shipping(USA) or one way for Canadians, 30 day trail and 10 year warranty, so I can fully understand a need to up their prices. Personally I think the Aperions look nicer than the Monitor and I would think they'd be better bang for your buck, even with the price increase. I called Aperion to buy some grand speakers(VGB and VGC) on Monday, I had a few questions I wanted to know before buying but they were closed and then the price went up, so I missed out on the old prices.

The only real knock I have on Aperion is that they can't keep their speakers in stock, good thing for them bad thing for spending customers. I was set on going with black speakers from any company but then I changed my mind and want something that wont blend in but will stand out, their red cherry would do that, just not in stock. I'm now pretty much set on Ascend Sierra speakers, again I was going to go black but now I want espresso and they have them in stock.

Aperion seems to have the best offerings for trying their stuff out of ANY speaker company I've seen and props to them for that and their prices still seem competitive, so I really can't blame them for a price increase with all they offer customers. I would've bought Aperions, the free shipping is what pushed them to the top of my list as well as reviews being high on them, them not being able to maintain their stock is what made me go with another option.

that makes no sense to me, why would having to wait a a few extra weeks or so make any difference.. if you have spent at least that much time researching and trying to decide on what you want then to me waiting a little longer to get them would be acceptable.