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For me if I am already at the $2000 range for me L/C/R another $300 should not be that much of a problem if they are as advertised and reviewed about. You throw in free shipping and free shipping back with full refund if I don't like them. Also you should consider that I think there is only one website that sells that line and if they don't that means you have to buy from a local dealer which means "sales tax" which will be in the 200 to 300 range.

Cause I don't want to wait...

Has anyone wall mounted the Aperion Verus Grand Bookshelf speakers? If so, what brand of mounting bracket did you use?

I did, I used the aperion brackets. Would have to check the order to see the exact name. They work beautifully. Matte black metal.

Yes sorry with the costs of shipping back and forth we can only do 10% on A stock.

I can still do more for B stock but it's rare that I have much that is in shippable condition.



Indeed, in my admittedly biased opinion our wall mounts work great and at $50/pair I think they are a great deal too.

Hey Hicks how does your grand verus tower compare to the klipsch rf 7, Klipsch thx ultra 2, and martin logan esl. Is it competitive with these?

I heard the 5t's at a customer's house a while ago and was very impressed...so i wanted to know if the grand verus towers could hang with the big dogs..........

I asking because i'm considering the GVT for my theater room

I took advantage of Aperion Audio's Custom Finish Program today and ordered:

1 Custom Finish- Original Intimus Cherry 12D 1299.00

The delivery is anticipated to be approximately 60 - 90 days. I believe I may be the first individual to exercise the custom finish option so it will be interesting to see how well the process works.

Thanks Jason for your help.

Sure I would put the VGTs up against all of those speakers. With the Klipsch RF-7s I would bet we can do better in the midrange department since our speakers are three ways and the RF-7s are two way without any dedicated midrange drivers. Having said that, because they use a 10 inch woofer you will get more bass out of the RF-7s. I haven't heard the THX Ultra 2s, but it appears they are also a two design as well and based of their specs you should get more bass out of the VGTs. Of course you can't mention Klipsch without bringing up the treble and a speaker for Klipsch will indeed be more bright than ours. If you like a speaker with aggressive highs then the Klipsch may be the choice for you, but I think our speakers provide a more overall balanced sound.

There are definitely some advantages to an electrostat design like the ML ESLs, first and foremost the amazing detail and imaging you can get from a speaker of that type. However they are mighty tricky to place in most rooms and the sweet spot for them is exceedingly narrow. So I think a dynamic driver design like the VGT can be more user friendly since they are much easier to position for optimal performance and if you have multiple sitting positions in your room they will provide a better coverage throughout the room.

Finally the VGTs will cost you at least a $1000 less per pair than all of those other models and with our 30 day risk free in home audition there really is no reason to give them a shot. If you don't think they are better than those other models then just give us a call and send them back.

I hope that helps!

My pleasure, glad we could get you another cherry sub.

Just let me know if I can help out with anything else and thanks for the order!

Jason, thanks for the info on the cherry finish. You are probably correct in that most subs are probably tucked away out of sight therefore a finish in a different color is not needed. Certainly, Aperion audio is not the only speaker manufacturer to limit color choices when it comes to subs. It is still nice to have this option so I am glad to see Aperion offer it as a custom finish.

It isn't just the WAF that some of us need to deal with. If your speakers, like mine, are not in a darkened, dedicated home theater or set-up in a closed off spare room someplace but rather are front and center in a main living area, then the appeal of having matching cabinetry, not just between the speakers but also with the other furniture cannot be under-estimated in my view.

I like how my home looks and my speakers are an integral part of the room so for me, form certainly does follow function and I do not think I have sacrificed anything in the way of sound quality because my speakers are nice to look at.

9179mhb, I hope you post some pics of your system when the sub arrives.

Can the Verus Dipole/Bipoles be mounted on stands? I'm trying to look at my placement options for these. From they told me in chat today they will not be available until April?

Thanks for the comments!

You can place them on a stand, but ideally you will place this type of speaker about 5-6 feet off the ground and most stands will not raise them up this high.

If you absolutely need to use a stand the 42 inch version of this stand is the best that I have found:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--RAXERSS42

Sorry about them being out of stock but we are doing everything we can to get them back in here as soon as possible, which does look like April at the earliest. Thanks for your patience!

Is Forte Tower SD the right pick for a 19x24 room (cathedral ceiling)? The TV watching area of the room is 19x19.

That's a good sized room, so I would hesitate to recommend the Forte Tower SD for a space like that, but you may be able to use some pieces of that system if you upgrade some of the others.

If you are doing mostly movies then you may be ok with the Forte Towers for your fronts and the Forte Satellites make great surrounds, but I would consider upgrading the center to the Verus Grand Center and the subwoofer to the Bravus II 10D.

Especially if you will be sitting around 19 feet from the screen I think you will need the Verus Grand Center to give you clear dialogue.

If you will be doing a good amount of music, I would consider the Verus Grand Towers for your fronts.

Another option would be the 5T Hybrid HD system and I think it would work fairly well but if you really are at 19 feet I would still be concerned about the 5C center channel being enough as I think of it's range as topping out around the 15 foot mark.

I hope that helps but please let me know if you have any other questions, thanks!

All, just wanted to let you know everything is gone now.

Thank you,

I've had my Verus Grands for over a month, and I remain thrilled with them, finding excuses to listen to music and play blu-rays. But I'm tweaking them mercilessly, and have been playing with toe-in quite a bit. Right now, for a 70/30 mix of HT to music, I'm finding that only a very slight (10 degree) toe-in works really well. Provides great sound and a nice, wide stage in my room, without sacrificing much depth that you get if you optimize for the musical sweet spot (and toeing-in speakers to aim directly at that location) . I know toe-in is very situational, but I'm curious what you guys have found works well...

Another bit of tweaking: crossovers. With these Verus Grands -- towers, center, bookshelves -- Audyssey MultiEQ XT is able to build filters down to 40Hz. I've also been experimenting with crossover values. The standard advice and conventional wisdom seems to be to set them to 80Hz, but I took the advice of an AVS member in a PM conversation, and tried lower values. In fact, after several days of careful listening, I think there's a fuller, richer sound when I set at least the fronts (or even all 5 speakers) to crossover at 60Hz. A 40Hz value seems to be a bit much, but 60Hz sounds very nice when mated to the SVS PB12-NSD.

BTW, Band of Brothers (which my wife and I are watching for the first time) is unbelievably good. Everything sounds unbelievably, absurdly real.

Decided to audition the Verus Center I have not listened to another speaker since 2003. Purchased the 7.1 Klipsch
RF3 II system back then. Three years ago we moved and it included a larger room I could dedicate to the theater. In the larger
room it always seem to lack detail especially in the realm of voices. It arrived yesterday and I'm now working on determining if
this is a worth while upgrade over the existing system. I finally upgraded my Avr-4806 to the 4520ci back on the 7th, really
surprised on the improvement in on rear sides and back speakers. I though the best way was to get used to the Verus Center
was to have in for 3 weeks then switch back the my rf3 center. For curiosity I installed the Verus without calibration and tried several
movies. The Verus required about 15 clicks upward on the volume to hit the normal levels. This put the Klipsch towers overrunning
the center. Next I ran the Audyssey all points, showed the center was small, set to 80hz. It set the Klipsch towers to -5db which helped
greatly as you can hear the sensitivity differences easily between the towers and the center during the tone calibration. The literature
that comes with the center shows a 50hz response, I changed in to 60hz manually. It will definitely take some time to determine
as it is not really apparent yet, I have not watched last night due the flu. Any helpful suggestions properly auditioning the Verus
would be great, I do not have any positions issues and the voice right is set to on stand. I will keep updating as I move along, I took
a week off due not being able to shake the flu so I have plenty of time to listen to some of the movies I like and gave the Klipsch trouble
on dialog.

What, what...wait

I just recently discovered these speakers. Until now I've been hooked on Paradigm based on specs and what I've read on the forum. Looks too I guess. I don't have a B&M audio shop near me to listen to anything, so I have to go off of hearsay for now. That being the case, Aperion's in-home trial program is pretty intriguing. The Aperion speakers also easily pass the eye test.

From what I hear, the Verus line is up my alley. I'm looking at the Paradigm Studio 100's and CC-690 and the Verus line seems to be about the same ballpark in terms of specs. A lot less in terms of price which is nice. I'm planning on having a 7.1 setup when all is said and done and I noticed that there is no bipole option in the Verus line. Will there eventually a bipole speaker in this line? I plan on putting bipole speakers to the left and right of my seating position. I have 4' knee walls though so they'll be at ear level. Is that ideal for that type of speaker? I'm worried that monos will be too localized which is why I'm leaning towards the bipoles. Behind me I'll be able to put bookshelf speakers between 5' to 6' high. I plan on angling those downward firing at my seating position. My back wall is pretty far away which is why I'm going with monos there, otherwise I'd have bipoles on the rear too.

Anyway, how do you guys think the Verus Grand Towers et. al. would compare to the Paradigm Studio line? I'm also considering Ascend Sierra towers and Horizon center with a ribbon tweeter on the center. I worry that the Ascend's are more for music which isn't a big deal to me. I do 70/30 video games and movies. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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@kromc5,

Thanks for posting the photos, those are some of the best images of the center channel that I've seen.

Anxious to read about your comparison to the Klipsch as well as your overall opinion.

BentZero, I have never owned Paradigm speakers, but auditioned some.

I've read several Paradigm owners (who really like that sound) say that the Aperion VGTs are not as bright or are too laid back. Those of us who prefer the Aperion sound may find the Paradigms too bright (I sure did), and would disagree that the VGTs are too laid back -- rather, I think they are simply more genuinely neutral or natural. It's all about your preference.

Thanks for the reply. Could it be due to the silk dome tweeter compared to an aluminum tweeter. Actually, my only reservation about the Paradigms was the fact that people have called them bright. My friend's DefTech speakers are a bit bright to me and a bit fatiguing. I'm going to have to drive 5 hours to go hear some Paradigm speakers in June. My son's doctor is in the same town as the B&M dealer, so it's not like I'll be going too far out of my way since I'll be there for his appointment. Would you say that the VGT's are good HT/Gaming speakers?

I am not an audio engineer, but I hazard that it must have quite a lot to do with the tweeter material. Also, metal designs especially Klipsch horns, are sometimes considered fatiguing to some listeners. They have the advantage of being loud, but I rarely drive my speakers anywhere near reference, so this wasn't an issue for me.

I am very happy with my VGTs for music, HT, and gaming. The VGC makes the HT experience exceptional, IMHO. Highly recommended if you have the space for it.

Battlefield 3 sounds terrific, for example. I'm itching to play through Red Deas Redemtion again with my setup!

With a 5 speaker VG setup, towers and center and surrounds or bookshelves, the soundstage feels broad and enveloping, with great depth and resolution, with sounds moving seamlessly around you without distracting timbre-changes. This is true in both HT and games. For music, I prefer to listen in 2.1.

Just some random thoughts. Check out the Aperion thread on blu-ray.com for people who have more aggressively cross shopped than I was able to.

+1

I received my VGC on jan 18th, was ordered on the internet on dec 28th. Fast delivery as usual and i got it in perfect shape.
To date, i have watched 5 blu-rays with the VGC + VGT in the front. Prior to that, i have watched about 25 blu-rays with only the VGT in front.
While the dialogues were great with only the VGT, the VGC has brought the experience to another level, specially in those action scenes where there are lots of background noises making dialogues sometimes hard to hear.
The tonal balance of the VGC is a perfect match for the VGT, it’s blending really well with the towers, allowing everybody seated in the listening area to feel like they were in the sweet spot.
I’m using Polk RtiA3 as surrounds and so far so good, i'm very happy with my setup.

I’m not using the VGC for listening to music, unless a center channel is included in the original recording. The VGT are doing so well in 2.0 and the sound is so well balanced that i don’t feel the need to change anything.

Niavlys-

What are you using to power your Verus Grand setup?

Glad you appreciate the photos, if you want more or video let me know. I can do
macro shots or quadruple the resolutions of those above for super detail.
Holding my comments till I get a full appreciation for both speakers. I will
say I really like the craftsmanship on the VGC very well put together.
The rubber feet hold it very well with no issues with movement or stability
so far.

I have the Anthem MRX 300 and love it. ARC is working great and is fairly easy to use.

If anyone is in Nashville (or wants to visit) I'm selling my 7.1 set up:

2 Front Speaker: 533-T
Frequency Response (+/- 3dB) 70-20,000 Hz, (+/- 6dB) 42-22,000 Hz
Impedance 5-10 Ohms
Sensitivity 89 dB
Recommended Power 50 - 200 Watts

Center Channel: 634-VAC
Frequency Response (+/- 3dB) 68-20,000 Hz, (+/- 6dB) 59-22,000 Hz
Impedance 8 Ohms
Sensitivity 88 dB
Recommended Power 50-200 Watts

2 Rear Surrounds: 534-SS
Frequency Response (Bipole) 90 Hz to 16 kHz (Dipole) 60 Hz to 16 kHz
Impedance 12 Ohms
Sensitivity 88 dB
Recommended Power 50 - 300 Watts

Subwoofer: S-10
Frequency Response 25 Hz-160 Hz
Impedance N/A
Sensitivity N/A
Recommended Power N/A
Amplifier Power (Continuous):200 Watts, (Maximum): 350 Watts

2 Side Surrounds 532-LR
Frequency response: 80hz to 20Khz
Nominal speaker impedance: 8 ohms
Recommended power: 50-150 watts

Does Aperion run discounts on the 4 of July holiday like emotiva or svs?


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I see many posts about the Verus grand in comparison to the B&W CM series. Has anyone compared or have have comparisons to the B&W 700 series? I have 703 towers with the matching HTM-7 center with B&W 685 bookshelf's for the rears. Running an ASW8 for the sub. Just curious as I am highly intrigued by these and I would love to support a company from Oregon (Go Beavers!). I know I could sell my B&W speakers and get enough to get a full 5.1 setup of Aperion if I really wanted to go that route. Hicks I see is the in-resident Aperion man, but anyone can chime in on thoughts.
Edited by flashman03 - 1/26/13 at 12:24pm