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post #6241 of 6862
Reasoning:

After our move the speaker I had enjoyed so much over the years was missing
detail in various movies I like to watch. Increased size of the room of our
home theater left us with turning the volume up more than I liked to get the voices
distinguishable. Due to the remote location I live it makes very difficult to go and
audition any home theater equipment. I work remote and prefer solitude but it
as trade offs. It was a tuff decision to order new speakers as I hate to remove
components if they working properly. I read over the forums looking only at
speaker reviews for several weeks. As the Klipsch are bright I decided to see if
I would enjoy a softer speaker. Axiom, SVS, Aperion were on my list, I read that
the Axiom were bright similar to the Klipsch so they were crossed off. Still contemplating
ordering the SVS and I may call this coming Monday. I have been using SVS for subs exclusively
for 10 years.

Ordering:

Ordering from Aperion was very easy experience. Spoke in length with customer service for almost
40 minutes. Gentleman was very knowledgeable even on my questions that were outside the scope
of the products they sell. I would recommend Aperion on the ordering, no pressure easy going experience.
Being in a remote support I listen to the tone, attitude and pauses from questions. I read many are put
off on the wait but I do not have an issue with waiting. Order was placed January 2nd, arrival January 23rd
with a loud thud from Fedex on the front steps. There was no mistaking it was the VGC.
Thankfully it was very well packaged and survived the trip.

Hook Up:

Based on my previous post and pictures this is aseptically stunning compared to my matte Klipsch RFII.
I was not sure about the shape as it was new to me but it lends itself to ease of movement when paired
to the supports. Spending time with the rubber supports I really appreciate the design.
You’re able to move the VGC upwards or downwards easily to position the sweet spot. While the grill is off I really liked
the design, extremely sturdy steel and fits perfectly.
After setting the new VGC on the salamander I connected to my new AVR-4520ci which had arrived back on January 8th.
On a side note the 4520 over the 4806 really helped fine tune the RFII Center and bring out better tonal details
which I thought would make the decision much harder. The dilemma is how to give the VGC a fair shake with
speakers that are bright and play much louder. With no Audessy setup the VGC appear flat and completely
over powered by the Klipsch, only a curious test on my part. The full Audessy setup greatly improved the balance between the speakers.
The front Klipsch RFII towers with set -6.0db, rear sides and surrounds with untouched. SVS Subwoofer was set to
the 75db requirement and left untouched. I went with this setup for several days but the system was still not seamless.

After watching several movies I decided on the following.

Fronts -6.5db
Center +0.5db
Surround R/L -4.0db
Surround Back R/L -30db

This provided an amazing improvement and surprising really hides that I have a completely different center in the front.
It’s interesting that it does take time to start to hear the nuances between the two
centers. I find that I actually like to play the VGC louder than I did with the RFII. I find the voice detail
improved, softer and more compelling. I worried how the sweet spot would be verse the horn but I do
not hear any issue between the 5 seating positions. Seems the sound stage it very wide and immersive.
I’m starting to enjoy the sound which is very detailed and open and I do not miss the brightness I get from the RFII.
Second part of my test included my wife who unbeknownst to her was taking part in my fiendish experiments.
My HT room is fully painted and quite dark and she has not noticed the change even though it sights
completely open under the screen. She enjoys movies and watching top 100 on dish. She noticed pretty quickly
that she like the changes that the 4520 had brought. I had not told her about the change in center and she only
noticed the improved sound after the VGC had gone in. She had remarked several times yesterday and today how good it sounded.

Downside:

Feel it’s soon to really convey my thoughts on the VGC. I have moved the crossover the 40 to see
if that would help with the break in. Time will tell on the bass side as I’m hoping for improved bass over the RFII as a side benefit to the upgrade.

Ongoing Review:

In hind sight I wish I had ordered the fronts. I’m extremely picky and rarely upgrade. Having owned two businesses
in the past I hated for Aperion to have to pay for shipping both ways if I did not like the product. I will post my experience with
hd audion, ps3 and other audio sources shortly. If there is anything you would like to see or hear that I have left out please ask.


Parting picture of the VGC at night, ISO 100 Shutter F16 which gave me closest to what my eyes perceived.


Edited by kromc5 - 1/27/13 at 3:06pm
post #6242 of 6862
Nice review on the VGC Kromc5....
I've just placed my order, missed out on the price increase:mad:
Oh well hopefully they will be keepers for the long haul.
I ordered the Verus Grand Towers and the Verus Grand Center.... both in cherry finish so I'll have to wait a few weeks for the VGT's
I'm also running a Denon receiver, the AVR-4311
but powering the front three speakers with an Emotiva XPA-3 amp.
post #6243 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Nice review on the VGC Kromc5....
I've just placed my order, missed out on the price increase:mad:
Oh well hopefully they will be keepers for the long haul.
I ordered the Verus Grand Towers and the Verus Grand Center.... both in cherry finish so I'll have to wait a few weeks for the VGT's
I'm also running a Denon receiver, the AVR-4311
but powering the front three speakers with an Emotiva XPA-3 amp.


Appreciate your comment, I'm curious as to your choice in going with Aperion and which speakers you are replacing?
Did you consider any of the other comparable speaker manufactures, Axiom, SVS?
post #6244 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by kromc5 View Post

Appreciate your comment, I'm curious as to your choice in going with Aperion and which speakers you are replacing?
Did you consider any of the other comparable speaker manufactures, Axiom, SVS?
Currently running a Klipsch Icon speaker system... wf-35 floorstanders and corresponding center... not bad for home theater
but not cutting it for music listening....
Several reasons why I went with Aperion:
Build Quality & Looks... they look like they are very well built... they are heavier than the competitors...
I love the Cherry finish (and since they will be in our family room system they need to look good)
Their slim design works in my system... can't fit wide speakers into my system (like the SVS Ultras 13+ inches wide won't work for me)
The rave reviews... I know a lot of speakers get rave reviews but it doesn't hurt.
Price... they are priced right at the upper range that I want to spend.
The Center speaker.... I love big, badass, center speakers. And feel the center is the most important speaker in a home theater system, (well besides subwoofers)
Besides what do you have to lose.... if I don't like them and can ship them back for free!
post #6245 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Currently running a Klipsch Icon speaker system... wf-35 floorstanders and corresponding center... not bad for home theater
but not cutting it for music listening....
Several reasons why I went with Aperion:
Build Quality & Looks... they look like they are very well built... they are heavier than the competitors...
I love the Cherry finish (and since they will be in our family room system they need to look good)
Their slim design works in my system... can't fit wide speakers into my system (like the SVS Ultras 13+ inches wide won't work for me)
The rave reviews... I know a lot of speakers get rave reviews but it doesn't hurt.
Price... they are priced right at the upper range that I want to spend.
The Center speaker.... I love big, badass, center speakers. And feel the center is the most important speaker in a home theater system, (well besides subwoofers)
Besides what do you have to lose.... if I don't like them and can ship them back for free!

Thank you for the response, interesting you also own Klipsch. I do not myself listen to much music but my wife was able to discern
the difference and it speaks a lot to the VGC. The looks and finish are wonderful and like the ability to adjust the VGC so easily.
Not sure if you play any games but I did get sometime with Borderlands 2 and felt it definitely had improved realism and bass response.
I was tempted many times to try the RC-64 but I'm starting to appreciate my decision. Not to take away from Klipsch that served me so
well all these years. I really had a desire to try something different and the VGC is definitely looking to be a keeper.
post #6246 of 6862
I put the order in for a pair of VGT today in cherry and a open box VGC in cherry too. The center will be here next week and the towers in 3 weeks.
post #6247 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by centauro74 View Post

I put the order in for a pair of VGT today in cherry and a open box VGC in cherry too. The center will be here next week and the towers in 3 weeks.

Congrats!
post #6248 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrnewquist View Post

I've had my Verus Grands for over a month, and I remain thrilled with them, finding excuses to listen to music and play blu-rays. But I'm tweaking them mercilessly, and have been playing with toe-in quite a bit. Right now, for a 70/30 mix of HT to music, I'm finding that only a very slight (10 degree) toe-in works really well. Provides great sound and a nice, wide stage in my room, without sacrificing much depth that you get if you optimize for the musical sweet spot (and toeing-in speakers to aim directly at that location) . I know toe-in is very situational, but I'm curious what you guys have found works well...

Another bit of tweaking: crossovers. With these Verus Grands -- towers, center, bookshelves -- Audyssey MultiEQ XT is able to build filters down to 40Hz. I've also been experimenting with crossover values. The standard advice and conventional wisdom seems to be to set them to 80Hz, but I took the advice of an AVS member in a PM conversation, and tried lower values. In fact, after several days of careful listening, I think there's a fuller, richer sound when I set at least the fronts (or even all 5 speakers) to crossover at 60Hz. A 40Hz value seems to be a bit much, but 60Hz sounds very nice when mated to the SVS PB12-NSD.

BTW, Band of Brothers (which my wife and I are watching for the first time) is unbelievably good. Everything sounds unbelievably, absurdly real.

Excellent, glad to hear you are enjoying the Verus Grands!

As far as toe in goes, here is the method that I use:

It's really a two person job, where you sit in the sweet spot and put on some music with vocals in two channel stereo. While you sit in the sweet spot, have someone angle the speakers ever so slightly until you achieve an effect where it sounds like the vocals are coming from the center channel even though that speaker is not playing. When you hear that, your front speakers should be angled properly for listening from the sweet spot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BentZero View Post

I just recently discovered these speakers. Until now I've been hooked on Paradigm based on specs and what I've read on the forum. Looks too I guess. I don't have a B&M audio shop near me to listen to anything, so I have to go off of hearsay for now. That being the case, Aperion's in-home trial program is pretty intriguing. The Aperion speakers also easily pass the eye test.

From what I hear, the Verus line is up my alley. I'm looking at the Paradigm Studio 100's and CC-690 and the Verus line seems to be about the same ballpark in terms of specs. A lot less in terms of price which is nice. I'm planning on having a 7.1 setup when all is said and done and I noticed that there is no bipole option in the Verus line. Will there eventually a bipole speaker in this line? I plan on putting bipole speakers to the left and right of my seating position. I have 4' knee walls though so they'll be at ear level. Is that ideal for that type of speaker? I'm worried that monos will be too localized which is why I'm leaning towards the bipoles. Behind me I'll be able to put bookshelf speakers between 5' to 6' high. I plan on angling those downward firing at my seating position. My back wall is pretty far away which is why I'm going with monos there, otherwise I'd have bipoles on the rear too.

Anyway, how do you guys think the Verus Grand Towers et. al. would compare to the Paradigm Studio line? I'm also considering Ascend Sierra towers and Horizon center with a ribbon tweeter on the center. I worry that the Ascend's are more for music which isn't a big deal to me. I do 70/30 video games and movies. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Of course I am biased, but I think we can compete with the Studios and best them in the estimation of a lot of folks. There was a great review a few years back where they compared the Studio 600 to the Intimus 6T and preferred the 6T. I wish I could post it here but the link has gone dead. But since the Verus Grand Tower was a sizable improvement over the 6T, I would put it up against the Studio 100 any day of the week.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niavlys View Post

+1

I received my VGC on jan 18th, was ordered on the internet on dec 28th. Fast delivery as usual and i got it in perfect shape.
To date, i have watched 5 blu-rays with the VGC + VGT in the front. Prior to that, i have watched about 25 blu-rays with only the VGT in front.
While the dialogues were great with only the VGT, the VGC has brought the experience to another level, specially in those action scenes where there are lots of background noises making dialogues sometimes hard to hear.
The tonal balance of the VGC is a perfect match for the VGT, it’s blending really well with the towers, allowing everybody seated in the listening area to feel like they were in the sweet spot.
I’m using Polk RtiA3 as surrounds and so far so good, i'm very happy with my setup.

I’m not using the VGC for listening to music, unless a center channel is included in the original recording. The VGT are doing so well in 2.0 and the sound is so well balanced that i don’t feel the need to change anything.

Another satisfied customer, thanks for posting!

Quote:
Originally Posted by centauro74 View Post

Does Aperion run discounts on the 4 of July holiday like emotiva or svs?

I don't think we will be doing any promos for the Verus Grands in the near future. You never know what marketing will do, but they have been selling really well at the regular prices.

Quote:
Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

I see many posts about the Verus grand in comparison to the B&W CM series. Has anyone compared or have have comparisons to the B&W 700 series? I have 703 towers with the matching HTM-7 center with B&W 685 bookshelf's for the rears. Running an ASW8 for the sub. Just curious as I am highly intrigued by these and I would love to support a company from Oregon (Go Beavers!). I know I could sell my B&W speakers and get enough to get a full 5.1 setup of Aperion if I really wanted to go that route. Hicks I see is the in-resident Aperion man, but anyone can chime in on thoughts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the CM series uses higher quality drivers than the 700 series. So if we stack up well against the CMs we should do well against the 700s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kromc5 View Post

Reasoning:

After our move the speaker I had enjoyed so much over the years was missing
detail in various movies I like to watch. Increased size of the room of our
home theater left us with turning the volume up more than I liked to get the voices
distinguishable. Due to the remote location I live it makes very difficult to go and
audition any home theater equipment. I work remote and prefer solitude but it
as trade offs. It was a tuff decision to order new speakers as I hate to remove
components if they working properly. I read over the forums looking only at
speaker reviews for several weeks. As the Klipsch are bright I decided to see if
I would enjoy a softer speaker. Axiom, SVS, Aperion were on my list, I read that
the Axiom were bright similar to the Klipsch so they were crossed off. Still contemplating
ordering the SVS and I may call this coming Monday. I have been using SVS for subs exclusively
for 10 years.

Ordering:

Ordering from Aperion was very easy experience. Spoke in length with customer service for almost
40 minutes. Gentleman was very knowledgeable even on my questions that were outside the scope
of the products they sell. I would recommend Aperion on the ordering, no pressure easy going experience.
Being in a remote support I listen to the tone, attitude and pauses from questions. I read many are put
off on the wait but I do not have an issue with waiting. Order was placed January 2nd, arrival January 23rd
with a loud thud from Fedex on the front steps. There was no mistaking it was the VGC.
Thankfully it was very well packaged and survived the trip.

Hook Up:

Based on my previous post and pictures this is aseptically stunning compared to my matte Klipsch RFII.
I was not sure about the shape as it was new to me but it lends itself to ease of movement when paired
to the supports. Spending time with the rubber supports I really appreciate the design.
You’re able to move the VGC upwards or downwards easily to position the sweet spot. While the grill is off I really liked
the design, extremely sturdy steel and fits perfectly.
After setting the new VGC on the salamander I connected to my new AVR-4520ci which had arrived back on January 8th.
On a side note the 4520 over the 4806 really helped fine tune the RFII Center and bring out better tonal details
which I thought would make the decision much harder. The dilemma is how to give the VGC a fair shake with
speakers that are bright and play much louder. With no Audessy setup the VGC appear flat and completely
over powered by the Klipsch, only a curious test on my part. The full Audessy setup greatly improved the balance between the speakers.
The front Klipsch RFII towers with set -6.0db, rear sides and surrounds with untouched. SVS Subwoofer was set to
the 75db requirement and left untouched. I went with this setup for several days but the system was still not seamless.

After watching several movies I decided on the following.

Fronts -6.5db
Center +0.5db
Surround R/L -4.0db
Surround Back R/L -30db

This provided an amazing improvement and surprising really hides that I have a completely different center in the front.
It’s interesting that it does take time to start to hear the nuances between the two
centers. I find that I actually like to play the VGC louder than I did with the RFII. I find the voice detail
improved, softer and more compelling. I worried how the sweet spot would be verse the horn but I do
not hear any issue between the 5 seating positions. Seems the sound stage it very wide and immersive.
I’m starting to enjoy the sound which is very detailed and open and I do not miss the brightness I get from the RFII.
Second part of my test included my wife who unbeknownst to her was taking part in my fiendish experiments.
My HT room is fully painted and quite dark and she has not noticed the change even though it sights
completely open under the screen. She enjoys movies and watching top 100 on dish. She noticed pretty quickly
that she like the changes that the 4520 had brought. I had not told her about the change in center and she only
noticed the improved sound after the VGC had gone in. She had remarked several times yesterday and today how good it sounded.

Downside:

Feel it’s soon to really convey my thoughts on the VGC. I have moved the crossover the 40 to see
if that would help with the break in. Time will tell on the bass side as I’m hoping for improved bass over the RFII as a side benefit to the upgrade.

Ongoing Review:

In hind sight I wish I had ordered the fronts. I’m extremely picky and rarely upgrade. Having owned two businesses
in the past I hated for Aperion to have to pay for shipping both ways if I did not like the product. I will post my experience with
hd audion, ps3 and other audio sources shortly. If there is anything you would like to see or hear that I have left out please ask.


Parting picture of the VGC at night, ISO 100 Shutter F16 which gave me closest to what my eyes perceived.



Great review, thanks posting it as well as the awesome pictures last week!
Quote:
Originally Posted by centauro74 View Post

I put the order in for a pair of VGT today in cherry and a open box VGC in cherry too. The center will be here next week and the towers in 3 weeks.

Thanks for the order, glad I could help out!
post #6249 of 6862
I don't know anything about the CM series honestly. I believe the CM is what took over for the 700 no? But I have been very happy with my speakers so I may have to look at changing these out.
post #6250 of 6862
If I am able to sell my 704 towers, I will certainly get these Verus grand towers. My problem then become I can't get the center because the new entertainment center I build was setup to house my 19" wide HTM7. That would be the only downfall to this for me frown.gif It is a good center though so i don't think I would be too disappointed.
post #6251 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

I don't know anything about the CM series honestly. I believe the CM is what took over for the 700 no? But I have been very happy with my speakers so I may have to look at changing these out.

Ah right you are, it looks like they expanded the CM series when they discontinued the 700 series.

Other than the tweeter on top design that the 700 series featured, they appear to be fairly equivalent.
post #6252 of 6862
How would an Intimus 5T system compare with a Verus Forte system for primarily home theater applications? I have had my eye on the Fortes for quite some time, but now that I'm ready to make a purchase, I see that they have a ship date of 5/21 (on the gloss blacks). I really would prefer not to wait 4 more months for the speakers, so I am considering alternatives. I am something of an audio newbie and this would be my first hiqh quality speaker system purchase - therefore, I wouldn't really call myself an audiophile just yet. Thanks in advance for any help.
post #6253 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by baron116 View Post

How would an Intimus 5T system compare with a Verus Forte system for primarily home theater applications? I have had my eye on the Fortes for quite some time, but now that I'm ready to make a purchase, I see that they have a ship date of 5/21 (on the gloss blacks). I really would prefer not to wait 4 more months for the speakers, so I am considering alternatives. I am something of an audio newbie and this would be my first hiqh quality speaker system purchase - therefore, I wouldn't really call myself an audiophile just yet. Thanks in advance for any help.

Yeah sorry about the wait on the Fortes, but honestly for primarily home theater I think you'll be really happy with the 5T system. The 5Ts have a slightly bigger cabinet so they can fill up a bigger room a little better and the 5C is really close to the Forte Center in terms of detail. You might notice the difference in the treble with the Verus being smoother, but I think that would be the main benefit, beside the looks of course.

Feel free to try the 5T system out and if they really aren't doing it for you by May when we get the Fortes you can use our trade up program to make an exchange, so it's kind of a no brainer!

I hope you give them a shot, thanks!
post #6254 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Yeah sorry about the wait on the Fortes, but honestly for primarily home theater I think you'll be really happy with the 5T system. The 5Ts have a slightly bigger cabinet so they can fill up a bigger room a little better and the 5C is really close to the Forte Center in terms of detail. You might notice the difference in the treble with the Verus being smoother, but I think that would be the main benefit, beside the looks of course.

Feel free to try the 5T system out and if they really aren't doing it for you by May when we get the Fortes you can use our trade up program to make an exchange, so it's kind of a no brainer!

I hope you give them a shot, thanks!

It didn't even occur to me to use the trade up program. I may not end up using it, but it's awesome that the option would be there when the Fortes become available. Thanks!
post #6255 of 6862
Question: Is the Denon AVR-2313CI powerful enough to handle the Aperion Verus Grand Towers?

I just bought the receiver to power my new speakers and am worried that maybe I should have gone with the AVR-3313CI. However, I figured that, since I'm living in an apartment complex, I won't be listening at reference level and that the AVR-2313CI would be good enough. Hope I wasn't wrong.
post #6256 of 6862
Just received the Verus Grand Center speaker....
OMG

to be continued.........
post #6257 of 6862
The difference in wattage between those two models is negligible with respect to speaker output. The 2313 will do very well. This is discussed on the Denon owners threads if you want to learn more.

Of course there are those who insist that an actual amp is really needed to drive the towers most beautifully. I'm sure they're right, but I've not gone down that particular rabbit hole yet. smile.gif
post #6258 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Just received the Verus Grand Center speaker....
OMG

to be continued.........

I just used the upgrade program to swap my Forte Center for the Grand Center. The Forte is a nice speaker, but it just wasn't providing enough detail. We were still missing some dialog.

The Grand Center is a whole different story. We can hear every word clearly. It balances beautifully with our Grand Bookshelf fronts with an SVS sub. Even the low end sounds better. This was definitely a worthwhile upgrade!
post #6259 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by sdornan View Post

Question: Is the Denon AVR-2313CI powerful enough to handle the Aperion Verus Grand Towers?

I just bought the receiver to power my new speakers and am worried that maybe I should have gone with the AVR-3313CI. However, I figured that, since I'm living in an apartment complex, I won't be listening at reference level and that the AVR-2313CI would be good enough. Hope I wasn't wrong.

As jr said, there is negligible difference in power between those two units, so if you aren't missing out on any features you need with the 3313, the 2313 is fine. Either should provide plenty of power unless you run your system extremely loud or are trying to fill a cavernous space. Quit worrying and enjoy your system!
post #6260 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by drhjean View Post

I just used the upgrade program to swap my Forte Center for the Grand Center. The Forte is a nice speaker, but it just wasn't providing enough detail. We were still missing some dialog.

The Grand Center is a whole different story. We can hear every word clearly. It balances beautifully with our Grand Bookshelf fronts with an SVS sub. Even the low end sounds better. This was definitely a worthwhile upgrade!
Yes the Grand Center is certainly an upgrade.... to every center speaker I've ever owned... and I've owned more than I care to admit too....eek.gif
Just taking this beast out of the box was an awe inspiring experience.
Beautiful cherry finish, super fit and finish, great design with it's sloping shape, very solid and heavy, and excellent build quality.
As for the sound.... to be continued....

DreamCatcher
post #6261 of 6862
SO I am considering my options for my new den speaker system. My wife and I went to BB and heard the Martin Logan Motion 15's, Motion 8 center, and Motion 4 surrounds and were blown away. I was curious about how they would compare to the VGB's (x2), the VFS (x2) due to size, and the VFC (once again, due to size). The room is 15' long x15' wide x 9' tall. The back is open to the kitchen about halfway. The VFS would be mounted in the corners of the room in the back high up on the walls, the VGB's would be sitting in my bookshelves in the front, and the VFC would be sitting under the TV but on the mantel to my fireplace. All of this is for asthetic reasons (read--clean look and wife approval). Any thoughts or concerns (Hicks...I am looking in your direction!)?
post #6262 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Yes the Grand Center is certainly an upgrade.... to every center speaker I've ever owned... and I've owned more than I care to admit too....eek.gif
Just taking this beast out of the box was an awe inspiring experience.
Beautiful cherry finish, super fit and finish, great design with it's sloping shape, very solid and heavy, and excellent build quality.
As for the sound.... to be continued....

DreamCatcher

Wanted to say for me I went from the monstrous Axiom VP180 center channel which is twice the size of my current Verus Grand, the Axiom when I first got it was only running off my AVR and the voices were so muffled that I had to turn it way up which affected my L/R, I eventually add an Emotiva amp and that helped some. But then I decided to try out the Verus Grand L/C/R setup and I can say that the Grand Center blows the Axiom out of the water and at a much lower volume setting. It showed me that bigger is never always better, when I hooked up the Grand it was like hearing a center channel for the first time. Everything is so much cleaner and crisper and works so well with the L/R's.
post #6263 of 6862
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustolem View Post

Wanted to say for me I went from the monstrous Axiom VP180 center channel which is twice the size of my current Verus Grand, the Axiom when I first got it was only running off my AVR and the voices were so muffled that I had to turn it way up which affected my L/R, I eventually add an Emotiva amp and that helped some. But then I decided to try out the Verus Grand L/C/R setup and I can say that the Grand Center blows the Axiom out of the water and at a much lower volume setting. It showed me that bigger is never always better, when I hooked up the Grand it was like hearing a center channel for the first time. Everything is so much cleaner and crisper and works so well with the L/R's.
Indeed bigger doesn't equal better....

Finally got a chance to rerun Audyssey with the VGC in the system.
Audyssey set it to a 80hz crossover.,, perfect, because that's where I would have set it anyway.
Driving the VGC with an Emotiva XPA--3 amp.
Anyway started some serious listening today,
Running in DPLIIx music mode with all other speakers turned off, setting the VGC to full range for auditioning purposes.

My serious listening always starts with Adele.
Damn she sounds good through the VGC....
Very strong, powerful, with lots of air around her voice, excellent, could not be happier.
Switch to some Dido, she can be hard to understand sometimes,
not so with VGC. "Thank You" came out airy and strong... perfect.
Switched to Jack Johnson, another of my favorites.
The VGC has a way of giving vocals a sort of definition around each and every word.
Very nice...
Switched to some Tommy Emmanuel, my favorite acoustic guitar player,
he does stuff with the guitar that has to be seen, or in this case heard, to be believed.
The VGC was up to the task, bringing out each guitar pick or strum with apparent ease, giving each note it's own space, sort of speak.
On to Eva Cassidy... WOW...
goose bumps
"Fields of Gold" for that matter all her tracks, has the VGC in it's apparent happy place,
belting out Eva's voice like she was right there in the room, which we all know isn't possible.
The VGC's manage to give a nice airy presentation without sounding harsh... a neat trick in my opinion.
Needless to say the VGC passed my music vocal test with flying colors.
If I had to describe their sound.. I'd say
Airy and Dynamic... a great combination for any center speaker,
any speaker for that matter..
Makes me wonder why Aperion doesn't offer the VGC as a L/C/R monitor:)

On to movies... To be continued......
Edited by DreamCatcher - 2/1/13 at 4:33pm
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Thanks Dream Catcher and Rustolem ... I was leaning towards Axiom but a few things scared me:

1) Effeciency and Resistance = I was worried I couldn't drive these with a "normal" -- 90-140 Watt AVR -- You guys seemed to confirm that.
2) No one's return policy as good as Aperion... Paying for shipping on towers worried me...who wants to spend a couple hundred dollars to audition speakers?

I really liked the fact they seemed to be HT centric... 90 percent of my sound will be for HT..

I am sure others have other opinions but these are not the first to see people switching from Axiom to Aperion. This is enough of a trend to put me off...
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I live in the Philly Burbs... Can anyone tell me where I can audition these speakers? Anyone willing to let me come over for a couple hours...ill bring pop corn!
post #6266 of 6862
Audition in the best place possible...your own room. Aperion offers 30 day FREE IN HOME audition. Shipping is covered BOTH WAYS by Aperion.
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Thanks Dream Catcher and Rustolem ... I was leaning towards Axiom but a few things scared me:

1) Effeciency and Resistance = I was worried I couldn't drive these with a "normal" -- 90-140 Watt AVR -- You guys seemed to confirm that.
2) No one's return policy as good as Aperion... Paying for shipping on towers worried me...who wants to spend a couple hundred dollars to audition speakers?

I really liked the fact they seemed to be HT centric... 90 percent of my sound will be for HT..

I am sure others have other opinions but these are not the first to see people switching from Axiom to Aperion. This is enough of a trend to put me off...

I passed my Axioms on to a buddy of mine and he loves them, he is using an Emo XPA-3 on the L/C/R and is getting the sound he likes. His room is large and open to the kitchen and hallway , for me my room is enclosed and smaller and the Axioms where nice and loud but no definition, but for him ins his setting they are just right.
Weird how that works, but when I connected the Verus Grand Center it was like going from no center to now having one. My buddy who has the Axioms now said the same thing he helped me set them up and heard how the Axiom sounded and was amazed and the difference.... but like I said when he got the Axioms home it was a different sound for him.
Just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by border411 View Post

SO I am considering my options for my new den speaker system. My wife and I went to BB and heard the Martin Logan Motion 15's, Motion 8 center, and Motion 4 surrounds and were blown away. I was curious about how they would compare to the VGB's (x2), the VFS (x2) due to size, and the VFC (once again, due to size). The room is 15' long x15' wide x 9' tall. The back is open to the kitchen about halfway. The VFS would be mounted in the corners of the room in the back high up on the walls, the VGB's would be sitting in my bookshelves in the front, and the VFC would be sitting under the TV but on the mantel to my fireplace. All of this is for asthetic reasons (read--clean look and wife approval). Any thoughts or concerns (Hicks...I am looking in your direction!)?

Anyone?
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Border, call them or wait for Hicks to give you an answer. It will be Monday before you can call and Hicks only checks here on occasion (when he has time). If you want answers call. Everyone there is knowledgeable and helpful. If you feel you need to speak to Jason ask for him. He will return your call when available. You've asked elsewhere for my opinion and here it is. Aperion Grand line are some of the finest speakers available. 10 year warranty is awesome. But customer care is out of this world. I tell everyone the same thing CALL THEM. They will answer all questions. For your situation order the speakers you want, when they get there go buy the MLs at BB, and compare them side by side. You have great return policies either way. My guess would be that you keep the Aperions.
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Hi Guya,

On the recent Home Theater Cruise I won a Aperion 4T Summit Wireless 5.1 Home Theater System in the charity auction. The Aperion guys sent me everything just before the holidays, and I didn't get a chance to play with it until today. Today I spent all day ripping out my old system, all the wiring and old speakers and installed the Summit Wireless system. Getting rid of all those old wires made a huge difference in my setup!

However I am having a problem, and that problem is I can not get the Subwoofer to work. I have tried everything but the green light just keeps blinking on the subwoofer slowly no matter what I do. I have done many factory resets on the Transmitter, I have moved the subwoofer all over my room but still no luck. All the other speakers work fine, so I don't know what to do now.

Anyone have any ideas how I might get this to work? I don't want to have to setup the old system again just to watch the big game tomorrow.

Thanks!
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