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Try both and send back the ones you don't want.

Don’t want to abuse the system..
And I am in Canada, I don't think we have a free return
Edited by 55la - 2/12/13 at 8:55am

I get that. When in doubt go larger.

That's a good size room. So larger would be better. But if you purchase the smaller system they do have a one year trade up program if you decide it doesn't work.

My intension is to go larger now, I just worry about if there is any disadvantage in doing so. My theoretical knowledge in acoustics is not strong.

Oh, I see. Probably not. I'm not sure if it would make the need for room treatments that much more needed, but you should probably do that anyway.

Dreamcatcher, I've been futzing with the situation of my VGTs for about 6 weeks, in my scant spare time. Putting them in approximately a golden triangle works very well. I wish I could give them more space behind them. This wide, I find that toeing-in to the main listening position helps imaging -- but I have not tested extensively.

I know much of this is very room-dependent, but I would be very interested in comparing notes and findings with you and other VGT owners.

Enjoy!

That's what I would call a medium sized room and with your music usage at 40% I would recommend going for the Verus Grand set up.

As long as you are sitting 7-8 feet or more from the front speakers there really is no disadvantage with going with bigger speakers.

I hope that helps!

Thank you. Actually I screwed up in my OP. It will be more music than movies . Which makes even better case for the Grand system I guess.

Turning the speakers on makes a better case for the Grand system.

Could have but wanted everything to be in order before really getting in to listening.... a little OCD that way:)

But now things are in order, speakers spiked (nice included spikes, very substantial),
Toed in slightly...
Audyssey has been rerun.......interestingly Audyssey set the VGTs to Full Range... which I've changed to a 60hz crossover...
Rarely does Audyssey in my Denon 4311 set any speakers to full range...
So that means Audyssey thinks the VGTs have usable bass down low, really low,
and I concur...
A quick check with Stryke's Basszone CD showed solid bass down into the upper 20's.
Needless to say I've set the VGTs to Full Range for 2/channel Stereo listening.

Anyway sitting here listening to Norah Jones Come Away with Me SACD....
Center image is BACK... where it belongs.
In fact these babies are imaging champs,
placing instruments all across the front soundstage, (which is huge and deep),
with Norah's vocals dead center, surrounded by well placed instruments...
the VGT's have a way of bringing this, imaging and soundstage, out,
making you take notice of just what is going on,
much like a live performance does.
pretty cool stuff..... I think I'm going to like these speakers:D

After Norah I wanted to listen to something that might give more insight to just how good the bass of these speakers is....
So I turned to another of my old favorites, Boz Scaggs Dig.
Miss Riddle, one, of many, of my favorite tracks...
you VGT owners have to listen to this track,
a lot is going on here and the VGT's really let you listen to it all!
piano in the background, cymbals, trumpet and of course Boz.
Crazy good... I had to listen to it several times just to confirm
how good it sounds through the VGT's.
Things heat up with Get On The Natch.
Yes the VGT's have bass and lot's of it
powerful, deep, yet controlled... perfect!
Again I can't get over how easy it is to listen into the song,
picking out and following individual instruments.
Next up.... Desire
When I first heard these speakers, even when things weren't quite right with my setup,
the first word that came to me was "Texture",
while doing their thing, playing music, I feel like they are doing their best to get out of the way of the music.
In so doing they let you hear deeper into the recording.
By getting out of the way, they leave behind the music with all its Texture....
Just check out the last track of Dig.. Thanks To You... WOW

Anyway I'm out of control here, could go on and on....
Let's just say I'm extremely excited about these speakers.
Beautiful to look at....
even better to hear...

DreamCatcher

Nice reactions, Dreamcatcher!

Audyssey MultiEQ XT on my 3313 has been able to build profiles on my my VGT, VGC, and VGBs (as surrounds) down to 40Hz. I've been wavering between crossover at 60 and 80 for a while, and can't quite decide.

Audyssey XT32 on my 4311 never, well almost never, sets my main speakers to large, even some rather large speakers,
including the Paradigm Signature S6, NHT Evolution T5s (which have built in subwoofers with separate amps for crying out loud)
get set to small with a 60hz crossover.
that's not to say the VGTs couldn't use a nice subwoofer filling in from time to time...
Skyfall is a subwoofers best friend.....
but it sets the VGC to 80hz..... which seems to work just fine.
Speaking of the VGC.... haven't missed a word of dialogue since it took its place front and center...

really wish I had my emotiva XPA-5 when i was buying speakers (and when the VGB and VGC were cheaper) I want these so badly...the question is...can I sell my PSB image front stage before the 30 day trial is up

Sell it now and the try :P Obviously you are not totally happy with your PSB's. If that is the case...you will never rest till you find something better. Sell them and look some more.

no the funny thing is I LOVE my PSB's but am suffering from what-if's...the grands were my first choice at the time, but my AVR wasnt enough power (75wtts/ch) so i settled on a great deal for my second choice. I am REALLY happy with the PSB.....but the grands are so beautiful...and I always wanted to try out a silk tweet vs the titanium tweet and now that I have enough power...its even more tempting,...and I dont want to take advantage of the system...but it MIGHT make me want to keep them (even though for all 3 VGB and VGC it will be double what I paid for the PSB b6's/c5)

maybe i should stop wondering what if...and just be happy with what i have...

Words to live by. I'm only looking because my front stage just doesn't cut it. I'm tired of not hearing dialog and the L/R just don't have the detail I want. My issue will be whether or not I go with the surrounds too or just stick with my bipoles and move the bookshelfs to the rear for a 7.1 setup. I want the speakers to be voice matched, but I'm told that it's not that big of a deal.

DreamCatcher, what speakers are you going to use for Surrounds and Surrounds backs.
And what kind of speakers are your Aperions replacing.

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Awesome review DreamCatcher, thanks for posting!

Also, if you want to post a review on our site it would be most appreciated and I'll even send you a free hat!

Aperions are replacing the Paradigm Signature S6 & C3....
great speakers but I decided to go in another direction.
Almost went with the Ascend Towers, and thought about the Salk SongTowers,
but ultimately the Aperion's had the right stuff for me....
Great Cherry finish, just the right size (both center and towers),
not a box (I wanted a speaker with some curves/shape),
able to handle both music and movies,
Price... well below the other contenders when you factor in shipping and upgrades,
besides with Aperion's free shipping both directions what did I have to lose.....
The whole family loves my decision... the wife saying there's NO way you're sending these back!

Right now surrounds are Polk Audio TSi100 (6 of them... side, rear & height) wall mounted high around the room...
will be looking into an Aperion surround speaker solution sooner or later

Really, wow I'm surprised. The paradigms signature are supposed to be really good, plus very expensive. I was considering between the studios 60 and the Aperions. I'd love to hear your thoughts in the difference of the 2 speakers.


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I have the fxi-A6 for Surrounds, but I'm going to sell the monitor 30 with the towers and the center. I'm thinking about the Aperions bookshelf but they are a little pricey or wait for bipoles from them.
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To my ears the Paradigms sounded a bit on the harsh side, particularly with loud movie sound tracks and
some female vocals. The Aperion's just get louder, not harsh at all.
And I was disappointed with their lack of deep bass.
Nice speaker, don't get me wrong....Just not my cup of tea.....

Cool, I'll get over there and check it out.
Thx

Dreamcatcher How do they compare to the NHTs you use to have.

I went from Axiom M80's and VP180 L/C/R to the Aperions, the Axioms were nice and LOUD but no definition what so ever... when I hooked up the VGC it was night and day difference, the Axiom Center as HUGE as it was, it was just noise I had to turn it up so much higher then the fronts just to understand the voices.
Like I have said in other posts Bigger doesn't always mean better, the Axiom VP180 is a monster center channel but the layout of the individual speakers is what made it sound so soft. And this may sound crazy but after setting up my VGT's and VGC and running Yamaha room correction my surrounds actually sound better than they did with the Axioms.

and what surrounds are you running with the Aperions.

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It's the one thing I kept from my Axiom speaker purchase they are the Axiom QS8's and they are the best surround speakers I have heard. They sound so much better paired with the Aperion's after I ran the room correction software. The never sounded that good with the Axiom L/C/R's.