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post #6361 of 6862
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Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski View Post

Jason,

I hope I get to call in this week about my new Wireless system as the Subwoofer isn't working.

I am on the East Coast what time are you guys there until?

Thanks!

Scott,

We are here until 8 PM Eastern.

I am going to e-mail you a troubleshooting procedure as well that will be a good starting point, feel free to reply with questions, thanks!
post #6362 of 6862
Excellent! Thanks!
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Got the vgb and vgc in.

Ok after setting up the mains and listening to all the favorites. While great sounding. I honestly didn't hear enough of a difference ( if any) to warrant a 800$ increase over me b6/c5 combo

I think they are gorgeous. But sound the same as the psb's.

But in the bright side. It cost me nothing. And now I have the peice of mind knowing I have exactly what I am looking for. I am not really sure what I thought I would hear by getting the aperions. I guess I was just won over by their looks lol

I didn't even bother pulling out the center speaker.

Oh well
post #6364 of 6862
Thanks Brian....that helped me with decision making...so disregard the PM. However...now I am also considering the Wharfedale 10.1, 10 SR, and 10 CS. Oh yeah...also still in the running is the Klipsch Reference. All around the same price (less that $1000 total).
post #6365 of 6862
Hello all, I am currently auditioning a Bravus II 8D sub. I have it set at 1/4 volume and -6db on AVR and it is sounding really good. With the settings this low, does it mean that the sub is too powerful for my listening room? I love the room shaking ability, but wonder if using so little of its potental means I should have picked the 8A instead. Any thoughts?
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By the way. The vgc is redivulously large. It looked ridiculous in front of my 65" plasma eek.gif
post #6367 of 6862
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Originally Posted by pagan97 View Post

Hello all, I am currently auditioning a Bravus II 8D sub. I have it set at 1/4 volume and -6db on AVR and it is sounding really good. With the settings this low, does it mean that the sub is too powerful for my listening room? I love the room shaking ability, but wonder if using so little of its potental means I should have picked the 8A instead. Any thoughts?

Maybe, but an 8-inch driver is about as low as you probably want to go, if you've chosen Aperion speakers. I'd actually recommend a larger sub just to get more bass extension. In my case, I really wanted bass extension to just below 20Hz, primarily for theatrical LFE, so I chose a model which could do that. As a result, in my small/medium-sized room, my sub's volume dial is very very low -- low enough so that Audyssey only wants to tweak it by 3dB or so. Works great!
post #6368 of 6862
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Originally Posted by jrnewquist View Post

Maybe, but an 8-inch driver is about as low as you probably want to go, if you've chosen Aperion speakers. I'd actually recommend a larger sub just to get more bass extension. In my case, I really wanted bass extension to just below 20Hz, primarily for theatrical LFE, so I chose a model which could do that. As a result, in my small/medium-sized room, my sub's volume dial is very very low -- low enough so that Audyssey only wants to tweak it by 3dB or so. Works great!

Thx for the reply. Sounds like i am fine then. The lfe is plenty for me. The room shakes for sure during Tron and Dark knight, etc.
post #6369 of 6862
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Got the vgb and vgc in.

Ok after setting up the mains and listening to all the favorites. While great sounding. I honestly didn't hear enough of a difference ( if any) to warrant a 800$ increase over me b6/c5 combo

I think they are gorgeous. But sound the same as the psb's.

But in the bright side. It cost me nothing. And now I have the peice of mind knowing I have exactly what I am looking for. I am not really sure what I thought I would hear by getting the aperions. I guess I was just won over by their looks lol

I didn't even bother pulling out the center speaker.

Oh well

That's why it is so important to be able to audition in one's own home- although it seems to me you did not give the them a chance to break in.
-Non-Aperion owner-
post #6370 of 6862
Break in is debated my many. Even aperion states they are good to go right out if the box. I didn't say they don't sound great. I just said it is too close to call with the psb's and not worth another 800$ out of pocket smile.gif
post #6371 of 6862
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

By the way. The vgc is redivulously large. It looked ridiculous in front of my 65" plasma eek.gif

Not to nit pick but you said earlier that "I didn't even bother pulling out the center speaker." so how can it look ridiculous in front of your 65 plasma. Did you just sit it in front of the tv for fun?

Just curious.
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Today I called my wife down and she wanted to hear the whole thing before she made a judgement. So I set up the center.

So my first post was accurate. I setup the center channel after that post. I wish I could keep them but just not worth it to me. Not saying it isn't a great product
post #6373 of 6862
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Break in is debated my many. Even aperion states they are good to go right out if the box. I didn't say they don't sound great. I just said it is too close to call with the psb's and not worth another 800$ out of pocket smile.gif

"...good to go right out of the box". Not having heard them, I wonder if that is marketing talking. With the in-home trial period, I would given any speaker a chance to to run-in a bit before making any final determination.
post #6374 of 6862
Having never heard PSB speakers I really can't comment on how they might compare to the Aperion's.
And it wouldn't surprise me if the PSBs sound as good as the Aperion's.... at normal listening levels.
For me the VGC & VGTs really assert themselves as you turn up the volume.
Probably due to the two midrange drivers and their amazing tweeter, the VGTs just get louder and louder, where most speakers, I've owned,
start to lose their composue, sounding muddy and congested, then shrill and harsh when pushed beyond their happy zone.
We like our movies loud, theater like loud, and for me this is where the VGTs & VGC really separate themselves from other speakers I've owned!
post #6375 of 6862
i think i am going to set them up again and listen a bit longer...

might as well utilize the full 30 days smile.gif
post #6376 of 6862
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Originally Posted by finsup View Post

"...good to go right out of the box". Not having heard them, I wonder if that is marketing talking. With the in-home trial period, I would given any speaker a chance to to run-in a bit before making any final determination.

For the record our speakers have a main break in period of 40 hours, this what I and all of the other gurus say, although we do think they sound great right of the box too.

They change subtly up to about the 100 hour mark, but once you've gotten 40 hours under your belt they will sound pretty close to how they will sound for the rest of their life time.
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Originally Posted by pagan97 View Post

Thx for the reply. Sounds like i am fine then. The lfe is plenty for me. The room shakes for sure during Tron and Dark knight, etc.

Glad to hear the 8D is shaking the room for you!

One other advantage that the 8D has over the 8A in addition to the power is that since it is a passive radiator design it plays a bit more smoothly/musical than the 8A.
post #6378 of 6862
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Having never heard PSB speakers I really can't comment on how they might compare to the Aperion's.
And it wouldn't surprise me if the PSBs sound as good as the Aperion's.... at normal listening levels.
For me the VGC & VGTs really assert themselves as you turn up the volume.
Probably due to the two midrange drivers and their amazing tweeter, the VGTs just get louder and louder, where most speakers, I've owned,
start to lose their composue, sounding muddy and congested, then shrill and harsh when pushed beyond their happy zone.
We like our movies loud, theater like loud, and for me this is where the VGTs & VGC really separate themselves from other speakers I've owned!

I like movies loud too, but that can't always be the case in my home so how would you characterize your set-up for say, late-night listening? Do you lose much detail?

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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

i think i am going to set them up again and listen a bit longer...

might as well utilize the full 30 days smile.gif

IMO, that is a good idea - why rush things? One, as Hicks said the speakers will likely improve, at least a little with some additional hours on them, and you can also experiment with room placement.

I did a brief search of this thread and have did not find any posts relating to why bi-pole speakers are not offered in the Verus line. Anyone know?
post #6379 of 6862
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Originally Posted by finsup View Post

I like movies loud too, but that can't always be the case in my home so how would you characterize your set-up for say, late-night listening? Do you lose much detail?
IMO, that is a good idea - why rush things? One, as Hicks said the speakers will likely improve, at least a little with some additional hours on them, and you can also experiment with room placement.

I did a brief search of this thread and have did not find any posts relating to why bi-pole speakers are not offered in the Verus line. Anyone know?
I think I heard they will have a bipole in the Verus line shortly....

In my opinion they, the Verus Grands, sound good at any level!
but what separates a good speaker from a great speaker, imho, is what they do when pushed hard, very hard.

DreamCatcher
post #6380 of 6862
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Originally Posted by finsup View Post

I like movies loud too, but that can't always be the case in my home so how would you characterize your set-up for say, late-night listening? Do you lose much detail?
IMO, that is a good idea - why rush things? One, as Hicks said the speakers will likely improve, at least a little with some additional hours on them, and you can also experiment with room placement.

I did a brief search of this thread and have did not find any posts relating to why bi-pole speakers are not offered in the Verus line. Anyone know?
They have offered bipole/dipole in the verus line previously. I believe Hicks said they were having trouble getting the drivers for them so they took them off of the site. I think a few pages back is a question and his answer regarding the bipoles. If I remember he said they plan to offer them again as soon as they get the proper parts.
post #6381 of 6862
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Originally Posted by volfan dhp View Post

They have offered bipole/dipole in the verus line previously. I believe Hicks said they were having trouble getting the drivers for them so they took them off of the site. I think a few pages back is a question and his answer regarding the bipoles. If I remember he said they plan to offer them again as soon as they get the proper parts.

Yes, that's all correct, stay tuned as to when exactly we will have them again.

In the meantime the 4BP is a good alternative to the Verus dipole/bipole.
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I currently have the VGB's mated to the Verus Forte center. Last week I checked the Aperion site with plans to purchase the Forte bookshelfs to use as surrounds. They were out of stock until May (for Piano Black), so I looked at the open box specials and saw they had a VGC availiable. I've been itching to upgrade to the top of the line center channel, so I scooped it up.

It got here yesterday, and I hooked it up. Wow, what a difference! I really liked the VFC, but the sound is much fuller now, and vocals and dialog are right in your face. Of course that made me wonder what the Grand Towers would sound like...so one phone call later I'm 2K poorer, but in a good way. wink.gif

At least I won't have to buy surround speakers now, as the VGB's will take the place of the 15 year old Bose cubes I've been suffering with. biggrin.gif

Now that my speaker upgrade is complete, I can focus on adding a 2nd sub. tongue.gif

(This is all in a black velvet lined 10x12 dedicated theatre room with a 3d projector and a 8' High Power screen.)
post #6383 of 6862
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

I currently have the VGB's mated to the Verus Forte center. Last week I checked the Aperion site with plans to purchase the Forte bookshelfs to use as surrounds. They were out of stock until May (for Piano Black), so I looked at the open box specials and saw they had a VGC availiable. I've been itching to upgrade to the top of the line center channel, so I scooped it up.

It got here yesterday, and I hooked it up. Wow, what a difference! I really liked the VFC, but the sound is much fuller now, and vocals and dialog are right in your face. Of course that made me wonder what the Grand Towers would sound like...so one phone call later I'm 2K poorer, but in a good way. wink.gif

At least I won't have to buy surround speakers now, as the VGB's will take the place of the 15 year old Bose cubes I've been suffering with. biggrin.gif

Now that my speaker upgrade is complete, I can focus on adding a 2nd sub. tongue.gif

(This is all in a black velvet lined 10x12 dedicated theatre room with a 3d projector and a 8' High Power screen.)

Awesome, glad to hear you snagged that open box VGC and that it's wow-ing you!

Enjoy the VGTs, I think you'll be pretty pleased with them too. smile.gif
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Man this Verus Grand Center is amazing! I upgraded from a 5c a couple weeks ago and this has transformed my theater. The whole theater is filled with center channel goodness. Just finished both seasons of Game of thrones and you can hear every tiny detail from leather boots walking to tiny inflections in actors voices. But when the deep voices kick in you can almost feel the sound. This speaker has floored me with its range, no more up and down on the volume or rewinding to hear what was said. Sooooo happy, highly recommended, if your on the fence like i was$$ just go for it you will love it!
post #6385 of 6862
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Originally Posted by TITANS1 View Post

Man this Verus Grand Center is amazing! I upgraded from a 5c a couple weeks ago and this has transformed my theater. The whole theater is filled with center channel goodness. Just finished both seasons of Game of thrones and you can hear every tiny detail from leather boots walking to tiny inflections in actors voices. But when the deep voices kick in you can almost feel the sound. This speaker has floored me with its range, no more up and down on the volume or rewinding to hear what was said. Sooooo happy, highly recommended, if your on the fence like i was$$ just go for it you will love it!

What receiver do you have powering it?
post #6386 of 6862
Pioneer elite sc-65 which is also excellent btw. Room is dedicated theater 13 x 22 and my sweet spot seat is dead center about 17 feet back.
post #6387 of 6862
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Originally Posted by TITANS1 View Post

Man this Verus Grand Center is amazing! I upgraded from a 5c a couple weeks ago and this has transformed my theater. The whole theater is filled with center channel goodness. Just finished both seasons of Game of thrones and you can hear every tiny detail from leather boots walking to tiny inflections in actors voices. But when the deep voices kick in you can almost feel the sound. This speaker has floored me with its range, no more up and down on the volume or rewinding to hear what was said. Sooooo happy, highly recommended, if your on the fence like i was$$ just go for it you will love it!
Love Game of Thrones..... and the VGC of course!
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Hi all, I have a pair of 5B fronts, 4B rears, and a 5C center with a bravus II 8d sub in my 16x10 media room. They are most excellent! I am now looking to upgrade my AVR. I have a Yammie rxv 571, that is getting passed on to my son, which I have been using. I hate ypao and the lack of ability to set the sub cxovers the way i want. I have a reccomendation on the Marantz sr5007, which is looking good to me. Anyone have other suggestions for a unit? I have had yamaha for 20 years, but they hit their peak about 10 yrs ago. My latest unit has poor sound quality unless in direct or straight, with no ypao eq. Looking for audyessy, 5.1 inputs for sacd, great sound with music and movies, which I am 50/50 on. Thanks!
post #6389 of 6862
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Originally Posted by pagan97 View Post

Hi all, I have a pair of 5B fronts, 4B rears, and a 5C center with a bravus II 8d sub in my 16x10 media room. They are most excellent! I am now looking to upgrade my AVR. I have a Yammie rxv 571, that is getting passed on to my son, which I have been using. I hate ypao and the lack of ability to set the sub cxovers the way i want. I have a reccomendation on the Marantz sr5007, which is looking good to me. Anyone have other suggestions for a unit? I have had yamaha for 20 years, but they hit their peak about 10 yrs ago. My latest unit has poor sound quality unless in direct or straight, with no ypao eq. Looking for audyessy, 5.1 inputs for sacd, great sound with music and movies, which I am 50/50 on. Thanks!
I have been extremely pleased with my Denon 4311ci pushing my Verus Grands. It includes MultiEQ XT32 and additional channels in case you decide to add more speakers in the future.
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Originally Posted by TrickyAirman247 View Post

I have been extremely pleased with my Denon 4311ci pushing my Verus Grands. It includes MultiEQ XT32 and additional channels in case you decide to add more speakers in the future.
Thank you for the input! That unit looks great, but my budget is under $1k. I looked at denons around that mark, but the Marantz build quality seems better to me. Any thoughts on units sub 1k?
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