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post #6571 of 6860
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

To be honest
I like to perfectly match when ever it is possible.
So for for me since you already have a pair of VGB for the front I would if it was me get the VGB.

For years I had Di-pole/Bi-pole surronds and I prefered the Bi-pole setting.
Now i have the VGB and prefer the more direct approch, BUT lots of people still prefer the Di-pole or Bi-pole approch.
just my personnel impression.

Ray

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. I gotta decide if I really want to spend the dough, though.

Also, I've never had either dipole or bipole speakers, but I sort of am intrigued by the idea. I kind of want to try them out, though I've never really been dissatisfied with direct-firing surrounds. And, like I said, your argument rings true for me.

I'm glad that I'm going away for several weeks, so I'm not feeling any urgency in this decision. I can order as late as the beginning of August and have whatever I end up selecting waiting for me when I return home.
post #6572 of 6860
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Originally Posted by drhjean View Post

Thanks for the replies. I appreciate the feedback.

Ray, I’m not sure that for me, the money would be worth it. But if it was, the Verus Surround is the same price as the VGB. Why, for you, would the VGB be the choice, or would it?

BacHolz, I really am not sure that I would really appreciate the extra performance for the extra $ for the Verus Surround or Bookshelf. But, I guess the real question is: at either price point, what are your thoughts about the surround model versus the bookshelf for the surround channels?

BTW, I only do HT, never multi-channel music.

Jason, I can indeed wall mount them. The 4BPs do come with mounts, correct? If I decide to upgrade, can I upgrade to a Verus Surround or Grand Bookshelf?

Thanks again!

That's right the 4BPs come with mounts, as do the Verus Surrounds and they both use the exact same mount. Yes you can go from the 4BP to the Grand Bookshelf or Verus Surround, it just has to be within one year of your purchase and you have to pay shipping both ways on trades outside of the 30 day trial.

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Originally Posted by ratloko View Post

dear dudes
I ran into a good deal for an svs pb2 12 + sub and I am now wondering how a pair of VGBs would fare versus the VGTs as my fronts with this sub.
How about a VGB versus a VFT ?
Thinking VGTs are major overkill for a room this small (18x11) with this amazing sub. 90% HT 10% music use.

Any thoughts?

I would agree that the VGTs for 90% HT would be overkill in that room. You'll probably be really happy with the VGBs for your application, but the VFTs will give you a fuller sound and broader soundstage, however you'll probably notice those differences the most for music.
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Originally Posted by Cthalupa View Post

I'm waaaaay late on responding to this, since I've been pretty busy, but I just submitted reviews for the Verus Grand Center, Towers, and Bookshelves!

Great reviews, thanks for posting and the hat is in the mail! smile.gif
post #6573 of 6860
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Originally Posted by drhjean View Post

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. I gotta decide if I really want to spend the dough, though.

Also, I've never had either dipole or bipole speakers, but I sort of am intrigued by the idea. I kind of want to try them out, though I've never really been dissatisfied with direct-firing surrounds. And, like I said, your argument rings true for me.

I'm glad that I'm going away for several weeks, so I'm not feeling any urgency in this decision. I can order as late as the beginning of August and have whatever I end up selecting waiting for me when I return home.

Sorry
Just to stir the fire, a Di-pole/Bi-pole will surrond you more in a way that the sound is more engolfing but not as it is right there as a direct do.

All and all it is just what a person prefer (pin point or more surronding).

I would sugest that you go get a good demo from a good store that has both type of system and do a listen for your self to see what is your preference.
That way you can do an educated decision base on your preference.

Best of luck with your hunting and remember this your system, so do your purchase base on your own personel taste.

Ray
post #6574 of 6860
Hello! Just checking in - I'm finally diving into home theater after being a dedicated 2-channel guy my entire life. By the weekend I should have the entire system up and running:

Panasonic P60ST60
Oppo BDP-105
Marantz AV7701
Marantz MM7705
Aperion Verus Grand Towers
Aperion Verus Grand Center
Aperion Verus Grand Bookshelf
A pair of Rythmik F12 subwoofers
Furman Elite 15PFi

I'm very excited to be part of the Aperion family and hope to learn a great deal from the AVS forum members. Thank you!
post #6575 of 6860
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Originally Posted by indydieselnut View Post

Hello! Just checking in - I'm finally diving into home theater after being a dedicated 2-channel guy my entire life. By the weekend I should have the entire system up and running:

Panasonic P60ST60
Oppo BDP-105
Marantz AV7701
Marantz MM7705
Aperion Verus Grand Towers
Aperion Verus Grand Center
Aperion Verus Grand Bookshelf
A pair of Rythmik F12 subwoofers
Furman Elite 15PFi

I'm very excited to be part of the Aperion family and hope to learn a great deal from the AVS forum members. Thank you!

Welcome to the family.
I am sure you will enjoy this nice set-up!
Keep us update on your thought.

Ray
post #6576 of 6860
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Originally Posted by indydieselnut View Post

Hello! Just checking in - I'm finally diving into home theater after being a dedicated 2-channel guy my entire life. By the weekend I should have the entire system up and running:

Panasonic P60ST60
Oppo BDP-105
Marantz AV7701
Marantz MM7705
Aperion Verus Grand Towers
Aperion Verus Grand Center
Aperion Verus Grand Bookshelf
A pair of Rythmik F12 subwoofers
Furman Elite 15PFi

I'm very excited to be part of the Aperion family and hope to learn a great deal from the AVS forum members. Thank you!

For Father's Day (might as well include my birthday according to my wife), I gifted myself The Aperion VGT, VGB and VGC to upgrade my old KEF system. I have got to say this system is incredible and has me playing tons of old music regularly.

Good luck and have fun!
post #6577 of 6860
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Originally Posted by gt7570b View Post

For Father's Day (might as well include my birthday according to my wife), I gifted myself The Aperion VGT, VGB and VGC to upgrade my old KEF system. I have got to say this system is incredible and has me playing tons of old music regularly.

Good luck and have fun!

Well, also a big welcome to the family.
You might find at the begining the sound to be more subdue ( for what I recall KEF is a bright speaker, but I could be wrong).
I did had to get use to a somehow diferent sound (and you will have too) from what I had but did start to listen to music more.

I had my speakers for 10 years and a change is a change,
but no regret, I love this set-up (VGT, VGC and 2pr of VGB).
Very similar to yours with the exception of the extra pair of surronds.

Ray
Edited by darthray - 6/21/13 at 7:00pm
post #6578 of 6860
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Well, also a big welcome to the family.
You might find at the begining the sound to be more subdue ( for what I recall KEF is a bright speaker, but I could be wrong).
I did had to get use to a somehow diferent sound (and you will have too) from what I had but did start to listen to music more.

I had my speakers for 10 years and a change is a change,
but no regret, I love this set-up (VGT, VGC and 2pr of VGB).
Very similar to yours with the exception of the extra pair of surronds.

Ray

I slightly prefer how the highs sound with the Aperions over the KEF Q bookshelf setup I had for most music, but I think that's also a function of the fact that I have better placement with the floor standing towers, the bi-amping, the lower gauge wiring, and possibly the simple newness of the setup.

I would have gotten another pair of the VGBs for rear surrounds, but I don;t have much room behind my couch at all for it to work well so I choose to bi-amp my towers instead with the extra two channels I have to drive.

Thanks for the welcome.

Any recommendation on subwoofers that sonically match with Aperions?
post #6579 of 6860
I think I have everything just about dialed in. I'm getting some fantastic sound in my space right now. The Aperion speakers live up to their reputation in terms of sound, build, looks, and documentation. I really couldn't be happier with the entire experience at this point. Thanks for the welcome and encouragement!

post #6580 of 6860
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Originally Posted by gt7570b View Post

I slightly prefer how the highs sound with the Aperions over the KEF Q bookshelf setup I had for most music, but I think that's also a function of the fact that I have better placement with the floor standing towers, the bi-amping, the lower gauge wiring, and possibly the simple newness of the setup.

I would have gotten another pair of the VGBs for rear surrounds, but I don;t have much room behind my couch at all for it to work well so I choose to bi-amp my towers instead with the extra two channels I have to drive.

Thanks for the welcome.

Any recommendation on subwoofers that sonically match with Aperions?

I also prefer the Highs sound of the aperion, a little more subdue compare DIY but sound, I think more natural.
You do not have to worry about sonically match a sub, just get a good decent quality one and you will be in heaven.
I personally have 2 SVS PB13 Ultra and it all sound good (picture on pg219, post 6560).

Ray
Edited by darthray - 6/22/13 at 12:06pm
post #6581 of 6860
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Originally Posted by indydieselnut View Post

I think I have everything just about dialed in. I'm getting some fantastic sound in my space right now. The Aperion speakers live up to their reputation in terms of sound, build, looks, and documentation. I really couldn't be happier with the entire experience at this point. Thanks for the welcome and encouragement!


Nice set-up.
Yes aperion sure give you lots of quality, built, finish and quality components for the price.

Happy listening.

Ray
post #6582 of 6860
Thanks for sharing, your new gear looks great. I'm very pleased with my Intimus 6Bs for L/R, 5C center, 4 DBs for surrounds and a Bravus 12D but I can't shake the longing for an upgrade for a comparable Verus setup. There are so many outstanding speaker lines available that one can truly struggle with their decision but I've never regretted the choices I made a few years ago with Aperion. Though I wish I could find another Bravus in the original cherry finish as a mate for my present sub. rolleyes.gif
post #6583 of 6860
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Originally Posted by BacHolz View Post

Thanks for sharing, your new gear looks great. I'm very pleased with my Intimus 6Bs for L/R, 5C center, 4 DBs for surrounds and a Bravus 12D but I can't shake the longing for an upgrade for a comparable Verus setup. There are so many outstanding speaker lines available that one can truly struggle with their decision but I've never regretted the choices I made a few years ago with Aperion. Though I wish I could find another Bravus in the original cherry finish as a mate for my present sub. rolleyes.gif

Like this?
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=dbb233065ab1a040519e1597cbc0fff9&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avsforum.com%2Ft%2F772081%2Fthe-official-aperion-thread%2F6540&v=1&libId=b01472e5-d36d-4785-83cf-23a94ea3e702&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aperionaudio.com%2Fspeakers%2Fbravus-home-theater-subwoofers%2Fbravus-ii-12d-powered-subwoofer&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avsforum.com%2Ft%2F772081%2Fthe-official-aperion-thread%2F6570&title=***%20The%20Official%20APERION%20Thread%20***&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aperionaudio.com%2Fspeakers%2Fbravus-home-theater-subwoofers%2Fbravus-ii-12d-powered-subwoofer&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_137197034227710

Ray
post #6584 of 6860
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

I also prefer the Highs sound of the aperion, a little more subdue compare DIY but sound, I think more natural.
You do not have to worry about sonically match a sub, just get a good decent quality one and you will be in heaven.
I personally have 2 SVS PB13 Ultra and it all sound good (picture on pg219, post 6560).

Ray

I saw a svs pc13 ultra on Craigslist for 800 that i may be interested in - the only problem that they are a bit far from me.....
post #6585 of 6860
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Originally Posted by gt7570b View Post

I saw a svs pc13 ultra on Craigslist for 800 that i may be interested in - the only problem that they are a bit far from me.....

I think it would wort a drive.
Unless it is a passive one (no built in amp, I am not sure if even such a beast exist).
An Ultra for $800 is pretty cheap.
I would think the offering from aperion are also good, but I cannot comment since I have never heard one.

Ray
post #6586 of 6860
Thanks for the heads up. I knew that they added the cherry finish to the Bravus line but appreciate the thought. While I love the looks of the Verus cherry finish, I prefer the less glossy, satin finish on the earlier Intimus cherry speakers. Truth be told my listening room is only 12 by 14 and I don't feel a compelling need to add another Bravus to the mix. I know there are many compelling reasons to run two or more subs, but for the moment at least, I'm content with my present setup.
Edited by BacHolz - 6/26/13 at 6:53pm
post #6587 of 6860
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Originally Posted by indydieselnut View Post

Hello! Just checking in - I'm finally diving into home theater after being a dedicated 2-channel guy my entire life. By the weekend I should have the entire system up and running:

Panasonic P60ST60
Oppo BDP-105
Marantz AV7701
Marantz MM7705
Aperion Verus Grand Towers
Aperion Verus Grand Center
Aperion Verus Grand Bookshelf
A pair of Rythmik F12 subwoofers
Furman Elite 15PFi

I'm very excited to be part of the Aperion family and hope to learn a great deal from the AVS forum members. Thank you!

Quote:
Originally Posted by indydieselnut View Post

I think I have everything just about dialed in. I'm getting some fantastic sound in my space right now. The Aperion speakers live up to their reputation in terms of sound, build, looks, and documentation. I really couldn't be happier with the entire experience at this point. Thanks for the welcome and encouragement!


Looking good and welcome to the family!

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Originally Posted by BacHolz View Post

Thanks for the heads up. I knew that they added the cherry finish to the Bravus line but appreciate the thought. While I love the looks of the Verus cherry finish, I prefer the less glossy, satin finish on the earlier Intimus cherry speakers. Truth be told my listening room is only 12 by 14 and I don't feel a compelling need to add another Bravus to the mix. I know there are many compelling reasons to run two or more subs, but for the moment at least, I"m content with my present setup.

When they show up in a couple weeks I'll take a picture of the new cherry 12D and maybe that will sway your opinion. biggrin.gif I'm pretty excited to see the finished product myself, I think they are going to look amazing.
post #6588 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post


Looking good and welcome to the family!
When they show up in a couple weeks I'll take a picture of the new cherry 12D and maybe that will sway your opinion. biggrin.gif I'm pretty excited to see the finished product myself, I think they are going to look amazing.

+1

The finish on your speakers is nothing short of but amazing.
Forget the short, the fining is amazing, they are actualy Outstanding.
So are the quality of the construction of the cabinets, your drivers choice and crossover (coming from DIY, I know a little bit about it).

Ray
post #6589 of 6860
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

The finish on your speakers is nothing short of but amazing.
Forget the short, the fining is amazing, they are actualy Outstanding.
So are the quality of the construction of the cabinets, your drivers choice and crossover (coming from DIY, I know a little bit about it).

I get as many compliments on the finish and craftsmanship as I do on the audio quality!
post #6590 of 6860
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Originally Posted by jrnewquist View Post

I get as many compliments on the finish and craftsmanship as I do on the audio quality!

100% with you.
Once I heard those speakers, I started to listen to music again and bought a few CD's ( my system always been 99% movie).
After a week, the shipping boxes were gone to recycle.

Right now I am just waiting on Soundocity (also another fine ID company, Love the new look of my VGT with them) to receive my longer tips for the outriggers (I bought with the short tips) and also a new set of outriggers for the center stand . My carpet is too dence for the short tips and the center stand is not solid as directly on a floor.

Then last calibration using Audyssey on my Onkyo PRS886 with a new boom stand just for this occasion.

For me aperion Grand Verus line is quit an offering for the money (The other lines are more than likely the same), and 6 months ago, I did not even knew they existed. More people should try them.

Ray
post #6591 of 6860
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

100% with you.
Once I heard those speakers, I started to listen to music again and bought a few CD's ( my system always been 99% movie).
After a week, the shipping boxes were gone to recycle.

Right now I am just waiting on Soundocity (also another fine ID company, Love the new look of my VGT with them) to receive my longer tips for the outriggers (I bought with the short tips) and also a new set of outriggers for the center stand . My carpet is too dence for the short tips and the center stand is not solid as directly on a floor.

Then last calibration using Audyssey on my Onkyo PRS886 with a new boom stand just for this occasion.

For me aperion Grand Verus line is quit an offering for the money (The other lines are more than likely the same), and 6 months ago, I did not even knew they existed. More people should try them.

Ray

Thanks for the endorsements Ray, we appreciate it!
post #6592 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Thanks for the endorsements Ray, we appreciate it!

I would like to say, You are welcome, but I also give praise to other ID company.
SVS, Carada, Blue jeans cable, Outlaw Audio, Oppo and some ID (or not) but you can buy direct on line JVC projector, Onkyo AVP).

When an ID company give so much more value.
It is important for US in this hobby to notice and give our honest hopinion.
Everyone do have a preference in sound, but when you have a gather of people that do like something.
It is a sign that something is done right (also my engineer body agree on your engineer philosophy on crossover).

So thank you, but you earned it.

Ray

P.S. how do you give someone a Thumps up?
Edited by darthray - 6/27/13 at 7:55pm
post #6593 of 6860
Hello Aperion Owners,
I've had my VGTs and VGC for a few weeks now and I'm very happy with them. I listened to, bought and returned numerous speakers including the VGBs. The company is great to deal with and I must have been a real pain for them. I bought their speakers, returned them, bought them again and finally upgraded them. After returning the VGBs the first time and buying different speakers I couldn't shake their sound, these speakers really did grow on me. So I bought the VGBs again and this time realized they were the speaker for me....well almost. I did exchange the VGBs for the Towers which I love but honestly I think I'd have been happy with the Bookshelves since I have a pair of SVS subs. The VGBs put out an amazing amount of sound for their size, but the Towers do have more output on the bottom end which you would expect. Also I think the finish is much nicer than most other modestly priced speakers. My only complaint is the quality of the front baffle isn't up to the same standards as the rest of the cabinet. All in all I think these speakers are an excellent value and I can't imagine a company offering better customer service.
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these speakers. The velvet bags are a nice touch too.
Edited by DougReim - 6/28/13 at 8:38am
post #6594 of 6860
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

I would like to say, You are welcome, but I also give praise to other ID company.
SVS, Carada, Blue jeans cable, Outlaw Audio, Oppo and some ID (or not) but you can buy direct on line JVC projector, Onkyo AVP).

When an ID company give so much more value.
It is important for US in this hobby to notice and give our honest hopinion.
Everyone do have a preference in sound, but when you have a gather of people that do like something.
It is a sign that something is done right (also my engineer body agree on your engineer philosophy on crossover).

So thank you, but you earned it.

Ray

P.S. how do you give someone a Thumps up?

Click the green thumbs up button next to the quote buttons.

It's easy to miss, I just discovered it a couple weeks ago!
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

Hello Aperion Owners,
I've had my VGTs and VGC for a few weeks now and I'm very happy with them. I listened to, bought and returned numerous speakers including the VGBs. The company is great to deal with and I must have been a real pain for them. I bought their speakers, returned them, bought them again and finally upgraded them. After returning the VGBs the first time and buying different speakers I couldn't shake their sound, these speakers really did grow on me. So I bought the VGBs again and this time realized they were the speaker for me....well almost. I did exchange the VGBs for the Towers which I love but honestly I think I'd have been happy with the Bookshelves since I have a pair of SVS subs. The VGBs put out an amazing amount of sound for their size, but the Towers do have more output on the bottom end which you would expect. Also I think the finish is much nicer than most other modestly priced speakers. My only complaint is the quality of the front baffle isn't up to the same standards as the rest of the cabinet. All in all I think these speakers are an excellent value and I can't imagine a company offering better customer service.
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these speakers. The velvet bags are a nice touch too.

Thanks for the kind words Doug, no bother at all, sometimes it takes a while to figure out what the best match for you will be, just ask my wife! wink.gif

Feel free to post a review on our site if you get a chance and I'll send you a free hat!
post #6595 of 6860
You're welcome Jason.
My experience with Aperion has been very good so I'm happy to promote your products.
I haven't been able to view the posts in your forums for a couple of days. I'm not sure if the problem is on my end or yours but I'll copy this post when I can get back on your forum.
Also, I asked Donovan to let me know when you get a pair of "A" stock VGBs in Cherry back in stock so that I can use them as my front wides.
Edited by DougReim - 6/28/13 at 9:52am
post #6596 of 6860
Hey Hicks- I'm moving to a new house with a bigger media room. Is there anyway I can still trade up a Forte center to Grand center? I'm over the one year mark so I'd expect less value of course. I guess I could sell it but would prefer the convenience of the trade-up program. Think of it this way- You'd be locking me in to buying Grand Towers in the very future wink.gif
post #6597 of 6860
I am thinking about buying the VGTs and wonder which would be the best center match out of the Intimus 5c or the Verus Forte. The Verus Grand center is too tall for my AV cabinet. The AV cabinet will accept an 8" high center. Thanks
Edited by dsinger - 6/29/13 at 4:20pm
post #6598 of 6860
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I am thinking about buying the VGTs and wonder which would be the best center match out of the Intimus 5c or the Verus Forte. The Verus Grand center is too tall for my AV cabinet. The AV cabinet will accept an 8" high center. Thanks

I've tried the VFC with my VGT. The couch was about 12' from the A/V cabinet and the VFC was simply not able to keep up with the rest of my system. I replaced the A/V cabinet with one that can accomodate a larger center channel and bought the VGC. I don't regret my choice, the VGC is a hell of a good center channel.

If you're not sitting too far away from the A/V cabinet, maybe the VFC will do it for you. As for the 5C, i can't help, i've never listened to it.
post #6599 of 6860
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I am thinking about buying the VGTs and wonder which would be the best center match out of the Intimus 5c or the Verus Forte. The Verus Grand center is too tall for my AV cabinet. The AV cabinet will accept an 8" high center. Thanks

I understand this problem. I ended up buying a new cabinet to fit the VGC's height because I *really* wanted to keep the front 3 speakers in the same technical design family. I've not sonically compared the two alternatives you're talking about, but I think I'd go for the VFC, based on what I've read. The aesthetic similarity between the Grands and Fortes is also there, but that seems like a secondary benefit.
post #6600 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Niavlys View Post

I've tried the VFC with my VGT. The couch was about 12' from the A/V cabinet and the VFC was simply not able to keep up with the rest of my system. I replaced the A/V cabinet with one that can accomodate a larger center channel and bought the VGC. I don't regret my choice, the VGC is a hell of a good center channel.

If you're not sitting too far away from the A/V cabinet, maybe the VFC will do it for you. As for the 5C, i can't help, i've never listened to it.

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Originally Posted by jrnewquist View Post

I understand this problem. I ended up buying a new cabinet to fit the VGC's height because I *really* wanted to keep the front 3 speakers in the same technical design family. I've not sonically compared the two alternatives you're talking about, but I think I'd go for the VFC, based on what I've read. The aesthetic similarity between the Grands and Fortes is also there, but that seems like a secondary benefit.

I have to also agree with the above 2 (unless you have a very expensive A/V cabinet).
The VGC is a perfect match to the VGT (as perfect can get for a horizontal design).
Like the last quote said, I would keep the 3 front in the same design family.

Ray
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