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post #1 of 16
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I am looking for a cost effective multi-room audio distribution set up, and I am wondering if the below set up will work

I want to get a panny 55 and connect a speaker selector to it like this


I would then run the speaker wire from the selector to one of these installed in each room

from there I would run the wires to inceiling speakers (have not determined which yet).

The rooms will be set up as:
Kitchen - 1 pair stereo speakers
Dining Room - 1 pair stereo speakers
Living room - 1 pair stereo speakers
Bathroom - 1 single speaker that will accept both channels of a stereo signal
Family Room - 2 pairs stereo speakers (4 speakers total)
Bedroom - 1 pair stero speakers.


Can someone let me know if this is doable, or will it put too much stress on the reciever? I was thinking of even putting the reciever into all channel stereo, and using multiple switches, to take the pressure off of a single amp. In which case 2 selectors with 3 zones would be set up to the front channel amps and the side channel amps respectivly.

I know HTD sells a 12 channel amp, but at $650 it is a little more than I want to spend, and it only seems to allow one source to be connected to it. With the receiver I can connect a CD Player, MP3, or use the Tuner for radio(even though I know it would only play one source at a time, and that is fine)

Also, can anyone tell me if I can connect 4 speakers to a single volume control (for the family room).


Aslo, I am not set on the Panny, if another reciever in the same price class would work better, please let me know. I just like the panny for this, since it's size lets it be more easily tucked away.


edit: also this is for background audio only, I am building a seperate dedicated theater for multichannel audio that will focus more on sound quality than this setup needs to. this distribution is really just for music while eating or entertaining, so high fidelity is not needed, though I also don't want it to sound like crap either
post #2 of 16
A nice clean setup involves a dedicated amp like the one from htd, but remember that only gives 6 stereo zones (i get 7 using my receiver to amplify the living room).

you can use the analog ins on a 7.1 channel rx but you will still only get 4 stereo outs (IF you can disable the LFE for the .1 and pass a regular signal).

You probably dont need stereo in dining room or bedrooms....i would reconsider this.

(ohh and you need something in front of the HTD amp or any amp to provide the source selection......unless you go with a turn key item like CAV/CAA but that would be way out of your pricerange if the HTD is out of it).....

For what you want....you NEED the HTD 1235 or similar 12 channel amp......


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Originally Posted by davdev View Post

I am looking for a cost effective multi-room audio distribution set up, and I am wondering if the below set up will work

I want to get a panny 55 and connect a speaker selector to it like this


I would then run the speaker wire from the selector to one of these installed in each room

from there I would run the wires to inceiling speakers (have not determined which yet).

The rooms will be set up as:
Kitchen - 1 pair stereo speakers
Dining Room - 1 pair stereo speakers
Living room - 1 pair stereo speakers
Bathroom - 1 single speaker that will accept both channels of a stereo signal
Family Room - 2 pairs stereo speakers (4 speakers total)
Bedroom - 1 pair stero speakers.


Can someone let me know if this is doable, or will it put too much stress on the reciever? I was thinking of even putting the reciever into all channel stereo, and using multiple switches, to take the pressure off of a single amp. In which case 2 selectors with 3 zones would be set up to the front channel amps and the side channel amps respectivly.

I know HTD sells a 12 channel amp, but at $650 it is a little more than I want to spend, and it only seems to allow one source to be connected to it. With the receiver I can connect a CD Player, MP3, or use the Tuner for radio(even though I know it would only play one source at a time, and that is fine)

Also, can anyone tell me if I can connect 4 speakers to a single volume control (for the family room).


Aslo, I am not set on the Panny, if another reciever in the same price class would work better, please let me know. I just like the panny for this, since it's size lets it be more easily tucked away.


edit: also this is for background audio only, I am building a seperate dedicated theater for multichannel audio that will focus more on sound quality than this setup needs to. this distribution is really just for music while eating or entertaining, so high fidelity is not needed, though I also don't want it to sound like crap either
post #3 of 16
BTW...the HTD 1235 can have 2 spekers connected to a single output....i cant remember if it is stable down to 2ohms, but definitely stable at 4.

if you will control volume locally with knobs, then you can find all kinds to impedence match......
post #4 of 16
Why would you want to distribute audio from a bidet?

post #5 of 16
true....he could end up with a very crappy system.
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Why would you want to distribute audio from a bidet?

post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by CTay View Post

Why would you want to distribute audio from a bidet?



I'm weird like that.

Time to edit the title
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by longtimelurker View Post


you can use the analog ins on a 7.1 channel rx but you will still only get 4 stereo outs (IF you can disable the LFE for the .1 and pass a regular signal).


That is where the speaker selector comes in. It is impedence matched and allows you to hook up to 6 stereo channels to one set of stereo outputs on the receiver. I got the idea because it is basically what HTD offers as their lowest end setup, a stereo amp and speaker slector to power six zones.

The bedroom definatly needs stereo as it is fairly large and one speaker would not be able to cut it.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by longtimelurker View Post

true....he could end up with a very crappy system.

Yes...this is an idea that needs to be flushed out!
post #9 of 16
You can do it this way, but you will be working your receiver pretty hard. What I did in a friend's house was to buy a dedicated 2-channel amp (Sonance, IIRC) for the audio.

I'm assuming that you will be putting volume controls in each room. You will either need volume controls with impedance matching or impedance matching on your speaker switcher. You can put 4 speakers on a volume control as long as you use an impedance matching vc and it is set correctly.

CJ
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by CJO View Post

You can do it this way, but you will be working your receiver pretty hard. What I did in a friend's house was to buy a dedicated 2-channel amp (Sonance, IIRC) for the audio.

I'm assuming that you will be putting volume controls in each room. You will either need volume controls with impedance matching or impedance matching on your speaker switcher. You can put 4 speakers on a volume control as long as you use an impedance matching vc and it is set correctly.

CJ

Both the switch and the controls have impedence matching. I figured I amy be better off with a dedicated amp, but I like the Panny because it is small and being a reciever has many more input options that a dedicated amp just doesn't have.

I want to be able to use the tuner and connect a Sonos system to it, and maybe even a DVD player.


I want to thank everyone who has replied, and I encourage you to rip this apart as much as you can. While I would like to go down this route if possible, if it is not, I want to start looking at other options. We are remodling our house, and I expect to start putting the speakers in sometime in Feb, so I want to get this all flushed out before then.
post #11 of 16
I would say the htd 1235 IS the budget route.....you cant get whole house audio for less than 650!

For non-automated distribution, just use some sort of manual matrix switch with xxx Ins, and the number of outs you need (6?)

for automated distribution, either go with one of the all in a box flavors (russound, etc) or with the HTD brain box or with a PC with a bunch of sound cards or a delta sound card (what i did)....with a PC and some development time, you can have as many ins and outs as you want and can mix them all.......

at this remodel stage though, you have time to decide, just make them run speaker wire from your central location and when you get to the room, drop down a loop to the light switch area, then back up to the ceiling (so that if you end up not needing controls in each room, you are set, and if you do end up needing controls in each room (impedance matching/amplified/etc) you are also set. and the only cost is about an extra 10-15 feet of speaker wire for each speaker.....


run a couple of cat 5e-s to each room also and you will be able to implement just about any option out there!


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Originally Posted by davdev View Post

Both the switch and the controls have impedence matching. I figured I amy be better off with a dedicated amp, but I like the Panny because it is small and being a reciever has many more input options that a dedicated amp just doesn't have.

I want to be able to use the tuner and connect a Sonos system to it, and maybe even a DVD player.


I want to thank everyone who has replied, and I encourage you to rip this apart as much as you can. While I would like to go down this route if possible, if it is not, I want to start looking at other options. We are remodling our house, and I expect to start putting the speakers in sometime in Feb, so I want to get this all flushed out before then.
post #12 of 16
One quick thing about 'speaker switchers' Most series the speakers when you have more than one speaker on, be sure you find one that is actually doing impedence matching. My suggestion would be to run a volume control in each room that does impedence matching. It will help allow you to upgrade at a later day as well to a multi zone system if you like. Just run a 4conduction audio, and cat 5 to your head end location.
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post #13 of 16
niles system all the way. love it
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by codywalker View Post

niles system all the way. love it


And at over $2000 for the amp ... way out of my budget.
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
So the easiest solution is Sonos. I just bought 2 100's and an 80 to power three zones for now. I will probably get two more 100's in the future. I will set these up in all the needed rooms and connect them to ceiling speakers.

So far, I love the Sonos, and it's integration with Rhapsody is great.
post #16 of 16
davdev, so what did you end up doing?

I'm in this same postition right now and am looking for some feedback.

I'm likely going to do impedence volume control in each room with an impedence balancing speaker selector box all run through a single receiver.

These will all be exclusively for background music. I spent all my money in the theater and will listen to music there if it is more critical.
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