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post #1381 of 8247
3/16/07 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by dthigpen View Post

Maybe it has to do with copy protection? Do you run AnyDVDHD?

Yes. I have tried it both ways. Perhaps I should wave a chicken-leg in front of it

- Rich
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post #1382 of 8247
3/16/07 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I do not understand this. I cannot get it working with hardware acceleration.
I tried 100.65 and 101.41. I run Ultra too.

I guess this is not science.

- Rich

my WON'T work unless i SET HW accel ON.otherwise it says i have an imcompatible driver and card!
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post #1383 of 8247
3/16/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by dthigpen View Post

Works fine for me on everything I've tried (both blu-ray and hd-dvd) using Vista w/ Geforce 8800GTS and 100.65 drivers along with PowerDVD Ultra 7.3. No hacks or workarounds involved, just worked out of the box.


Do the test and post your screen shots...
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post #1384 of 8247
3/16/07 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by klillevo View Post

Despite the marketing, hardware acceleration does not work for almost anyone with PowerDVD and HD DVD. It probably works for MPEG-2, but not H.264 and VC-1. There may be some success stories, but they are rare. Personally I have tried ATI X1600 Pro and NVIDIA 7600GT, both fail miserably. It is probably a combination of driver problems and PowerDVD's implementation. We need more player choices!

Code:
OS     GPU                   Driver   PowerDVD   VC-1 H.264
=================================================================
XP     ATI X1600 Pro   AGP   7.2      7.3        FAIL FAIL  klillevo
XP     NVIDIA 7600 GT  AGP   93.71    7.3        FAIL FAIL  klillevo
?      NVIDIA 7600 GT  AGP   ?        ?          FAIL ?     guysb
?      NVIDIA 7600 GS  ?     ?        7.3        FAIL ?     Fearless.Spiff
MCE05  NVIDIA 7600 GS  ?     ?        7.2        OK         edrossy
XP     NVIDIA 7950 GT  PCIE  93.71    7.2        OK   ?     kc
Vista  NVIDIA 8800 GTS PCIE  100.65   7.3        OK   OK    dthigpen
Vista  NVIDIA ?        ?     101.41   ?          FAIL       RichB

You can add X1950 256mb agp, XP MCE05, 7.2 driver, 7.3 PowerDVD ,Fail, Fail.

This sucks does anyone actually know what the physical problem is with this? Does Power dvd suddenly realise that actually its not an ATI avivo graphics card as it first thought? Is this a driver issue or program issue, is there a setting in the registry were all missing that could fix it? HHEEEELLLPPP!!! I'm fed up of choppy HD content, won't someone please give me a straight answer!

Tried Cyberlink they say its the ATI drivers, try ATI they say its a configuration problem, who am I to believe and more to the point is either one of them working on a solution!?!

Any guidance / supporting words would be great!
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post #1385 of 8247
3/16/07 at 7:30pm
Haze2k: Thanks! Done. I kind of suspect AGP to a problem for some reason. If anyone with a working hardware acceleration AGP card reads this, please speak up
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post #1386 of 8247
3/16/07 at 10:40pm
what processors? I think you need SSE2 for video-hw accel, i.e., Athlon XP machines can't get it.
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post #1387 of 8247
3/17/07 at 4:44am
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Originally Posted by klillevo View Post

Despite the marketing, hardware acceleration does not work for almost anyone with PowerDVD and HD DVD. It probably works for MPEG-2, but not H.264 and VC-1. There may be some success stories, but they are rare. Personally I have tried ATI X1600 Pro and NVIDIA 7600GT, both fail miserably. It is probably a combination of driver problems and PowerDVD's implementation. We need more player choices!

Code:
OS     GPU                   Driver   PowerDVD   VC-1 H.264
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XP     ATI X1600 Pro   AGP   7.2      7.3        FAIL FAIL  klillevo
MCE05  ATI X1950 Pro   AGP   7.2      7.3        FAIL FAIL  Haze2k
XP     NVIDIA 7600 GT  AGP   93.71    7.3        FAIL FAIL  klillevo
?      NVIDIA 7600 GT  AGP   ?        ?          FAIL ?     guysb
?      NVIDIA 7600 GS  ?     ?        7.3        FAIL ?     Fearless.Spiff
MCE05  NVIDIA 7600 GS  ?     ?        7.2        OK         edrossy
XP     NVIDIA 7950 GT  PCIE  93.71    7.2        OK   ?     kc
Vista  NVIDIA 8800 GTS PCIE  100.65   7.3        OK   OK    dthigpen
Vista  NVIDIA ?        ?     101.41   ?          FAIL       RichB

Just to fill in my part of this chart.

Vista Ultimate, 8800GTS 640MB, 101.41 7.3, Fail, Fail

Processor AMD 4600+. Everything is green running the Cyberlink BD/HD DVD advisor.

- Rich
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post #1388 of 8247
3/17/07 at 8:32am
Thanks. The chart now looks like this:
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OS     GPU                   Driver   PowerDVD   VC-1 H.264
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XP     ATI X1600 Pro   AGP   7.2      7.3        FAIL FAIL  klillevo
MCE05  ATI X1950 Pro   AGP   7.2      7.3        FAIL FAIL  Haze2k
XP     NVIDIA 7600 GT  AGP   93.71    7.3        FAIL FAIL  klillevo
?      NVIDIA 7600 GT  AGP   ?        ?          FAIL ?     guysb
?      NVIDIA 7600 GS  ?     ?        7.3        FAIL ?     Fearless.Spiff
MCE05  NVIDIA 7600 GS  ?     ?        7.2        OK         edrossy
XP     NVIDIA 7900GT   PCIE  93.71    7.3        OK   OK    Haze2k
XP     NVIDIA 7950 GT  PCIE  93.71    7.2        OK   ?     kc
Vista  NVIDIA 8800 GTS PCIE  100.65   7.3        OK   OK    dthigpen
Vista  NVIDIA 8800 GTS PCIE  101.41   7.3        FAIL FAIL  RichB
The CPU capabilities (SSE2 etc) might matter too. I don't know. In my case, I tried both a Northwood without SSE3 and a Prescott with SSE3, and this did not make any difference. You have to go pretty far back to find CPUs without SSE2. Another factor could be BluRay vs HD DVD. I have tried HD DVD only.

With regards to HDCP problems, I think everyone knows how to get around this by now. Use analog connection, or AnyDVD HD.

When I find time, I may go back a few pages in this thread and see if anyone has posted enough information to add more entries in the table.
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post #1389 of 8247
3/17/07 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by klillevo View Post

The CPU capabilities (SSE2 etc) might matter too.

If it's being added to the table to try and figure it out, I'm using a QX6700 in this machine. (And again, AnyDVD HD) Just tested it with a couple more titles and the HD Acceleration is definitely there.
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post #1390 of 8247
3/17/07 at 2:39pm
In xp i get fine playback no issues. In vista i get nothing but black screen yet it plays just cant see anything. Now it wont let me reinstall 6.5 because its saying you cant revert to old/same version once installing 7.3
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post #1391 of 8247
3/17/07 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by hdtv00 View Post

In vista i get nothing but black screen yet it plays just cant see anything.

I get the same, but 6.5 never worked properly for me. The video would play but would be displayed twice, one full screen and then again in the top left like a PIP.

Using X800XT.
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post #1392 of 8247
3/17/07 at 2:45pm
Anyone have trouble to play the UK HD-DVD(Studio Canal) version of "The Pianist" movie? Doesen't seem to work with Xbox addon, PDVD 7.3 and AnyDVD 6.1.3.2...
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post #1393 of 8247
3/17/07 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by djphatic View Post

I get the same, but 6.5 never worked properly for me. The video would play but would be displayed twice, one full screen and then again in the top left like a PIP.

Using X800XT.


Same thing here. On the right side of the GUI there's a panel that extends out if you clik, and it has a centering icon???. I clicked it and small screen gone. When Captions not highlighted on right click, I use Ctrl U to change language captions and eventually to off. Sometimes it takes a few tries. My experience with 6.5
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post #1394 of 8247
3/17/07 at 5:40pm
Sorry if this has been discussed already, the thread's so big now its hard to find anything. I have a 8800 GTS and I recently installed 7.3. Everything plays great, except AVC encoded HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray. Things stutter badly when I play those movies (Equilibrium on HD-DVD and Brothers Grimm on Blu-Ray). However, if I turn hard ware acceleration off in configurations/video everything works fine. There's no stutter and everything's smooth. Any idea why with acceleration on things actually work worse? Is it because of the notoriously poor nVidia GeForce 8800 Vista drivers?

My Specs are:

Core 2 Duo 6400 @ 3.3ghz
2gb ram
GeForce 8800GTS/640mb
Vista 32bit Ultimate
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post #1395 of 8247
3/17/07 at 5:50pm
How can I get a the upgrade patch from 7.1 to 7.3 I purchased the software and I can't find the upgrade patch.
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post #1396 of 8247
3/17/07 at 7:03pm
Installed forceware 93.71, powerdvd ultra 7.1 to watch HD-DVD through XBOX-360 hd-dvd add on and everithing works fine (despite a gray circle on the graphic driver in the hd-dvd advisor ). Installed powerdvd ultra 7.3 and no picture (red circle in the advisor for the 93.71). Any idea ?
AMD X2 5000+
XFX Geforce 7950gt
Roberto from Rome, Italy.
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post #1397 of 8247
3/17/07 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Hmerly View Post

Sorry if this has been discussed already, the thread's so big now its hard to find anything. I have a 8800 GTS and I recently installed 7.3. Everything plays great, except AVC encoded HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray. Things stutter badly when I play those movies (Equilibrium on HD-DVD and Brothers Grimm on Blu-Ray). However, if I turn hard ware acceleration off in configurations/video everything works fine. There's no stutter and everything's smooth. Any idea why with acceleration on things actually work worse? Is it because of the notoriously poor nVidia GeForce 8800 Vista drivers?

My Specs are:

Core 2 Duo 6400 @ 3.3ghz
2gb ram
GeForce 8800GTS/640mb
Vista 32bit Ultimate

I have a very similar result with an 8800GTS and 4600+ with 1 gig. I can play all titles fine with no problems with no stutters and I have much less processor than you. I looks like there is an incompatibility between the 8800 and PowerDVD at least on Vista32.

- Rich
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post #1398 of 8247
3/18/07 at 6:11am
I "upgraded" to 7.3 for HD-DVD playback after using AnyDVD. Aside from overlay, I STILL have the following problems:

The subtitles are driving me crazy. I suppose it is fine for Babel but other films, like Training Day, I cannot turn them off at all in Open Movie File From Hard Disk. Though I can switch from English to French or Spanish subtitles using the U key....great! Cyberlink needs to get off their azz and fix this bug.

Going from 7.1 to 7.3, I now cannot open the EVO media files at all. I used to be able to select the FEATURE_1.EVO and FEATURE_2.EVO and skip all the preview junk. Now I get a blank screen or "Cyberlink has encountered a problem and needs to close." If I select all the files in the HVDVD_TS directory, I can get Training Day to play without subtitles in file mode. However, getting the control bar to turn off is a hassle and if I use a keyboard shortcut like N for next chapter, it crashes. Any suggestions ? I suppose the one good thing is the video plays fine without stutter.

E6600
P5W
2gb RAM
7600GT HDMI out with Forceware 93.71
MCE
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post #1399 of 8247
3/18/07 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by moghetto View Post

Installed forceware 93.71, powerdvd ultra 7.1 to watch HD-DVD through XBOX-360 hd-dvd add on and everithing works fine (despite a gray circle on the graphic driver in the hd-dvd advisor ). Installed powerdvd ultra 7.3 and no picture (red circle in the advisor for the 93.71). Any idea ?
AMD X2 5000+
XFX Geforce 7950gt
Roberto from Rome, Italy.

Since I installed 7.3 I have had no issues with driver compliance, using 93.71 in XP with a 7600GT.

As far as the banding in overlay with 7.1/7.3 it really isn't that bad on my TV the only time I see it is in fog with light. The scene fron KK when the ship is drifting in the fog before they hit the rock you can clearly see banding but very faint. To the average viewer they wouldn't even notice it.
But it sure would be nice to have that overlay switch like in MP11, hey Cybercrap can hear me it's just a switch!
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post #1400 of 8247
3/18/07 at 6:38am
@ max, I finally got 7.1 to play in VMR but now the video is really grainy and just looks plain terrible. I got tired of working on their broken software and just went with 7.3 with no better results, of course the only advantage to 7.3 is BD intergration. Other than that I see nothing different in playback performance.
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post #1401 of 8247
3/18/07 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by AVSAR View Post

I "upgraded" to 7.3 for HD-DVD playback after using AnyDVD. Aside from overlay, I STILL have the following problems:

The subtitles are driving me crazy. I suppose it is fine for Babel but other films, like Training Day, I cannot turn them off at all in Open Movie File From Hard Disk. Though I can switch from English to French or Spanish subtitles using the U key....great! Cyberlink needs to get off their azz and fix this bug.

Going from 7.1 to 7.3, I now cannot open the EVO media files at all. I used to be able to select the FEATURE_1.EVO and FEATURE_2.EVO and skip all the preview junk. Now I get a blank screen or "Cyberlink has encountered a problem and needs to close." If I select all the files in the HVDVD_TS directory, I can get Training Day to play without subtitles in file mode. However, getting the control bar to turn off is a hassle and if I use a keyboard shortcut like N for next chapter, it crashes. Any suggestions ? I suppose the one good thing is the video plays fine without stutter.

E6600
P5W
2gb RAM
7600GT HDMI out with Forceware 93.71
MCE

If you use a remote you can turn off the subtiles in menu (I use the MS Media center remote).

Regarding the EVO files, I noticed the same thing.
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post #1402 of 8247
3/18/07 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by takisot View Post

If you use a remote you can turn off the subtiles in menu (I use the MS Media center remote).

Regarding the EVO files, I noticed the same thing.

Another way to turn off subtitles that don't seem to go away is to edit the XPL file and set the stream to # to 0 from 1 (for english). Not the slickest way to do it, I'm sure but it gets the job done.
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post #1403 of 8247
3/18/07 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by klillevo View Post

It is probably a combination of driver problems and PowerDVD's implementation.

Yeah, although MPEG2 really should work for everyone, VC1 most people. H264 is trickier though.

For ref, With Vista and 100.65, I get:

6600GT: MPEG2 and VC1 hardware acceleration works very well. With h264, cpu usage doesn't change one iota.

7300GS: H264 works as well (and very nicely). Slight problem is that with 7.3, HD-DVD h264 doesn't work, although h264 Bluray does!
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post #1404 of 8247
3/18/07 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by Kirby Baker View Post

Maybe I am confusing things here... When Vista dumps back to Basic mode from Aero to play the files, is that not an indication that it is running in Overlay? Or in other words, if it was using VMR9, it would stay in Aero?

Yes, you're right. Overlay is incompatible with Aero.
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post #1405 of 8247
3/18/07 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by takisot View Post

If you use a remote you can turn off the subtiles in menu (I use the MS Media center remote).

Regarding the EVO files, I noticed the same thing.

Does Training Day even have a menu? My disc went right to the movie. I can toggle through all the subtitles with the U button all day long but they do not turn off when playing the back up from hard disk.
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post #1406 of 8247
3/18/07 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by ymarker View Post

Another way to turn off subtitles that don't seem to go away is to edit the XPL file and set the stream to # to 0 from 1 (for english). Not the slickest way to do it, I'm sure but it gets the job done.

I would do this but I need more specific instruction. In the XPL file there are entries that look like this for various titles:



Should I change all the streamNumber="1" to "0" ???

I really just want subtitles on when people are not speaking English, not all the time...like in Babel.
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post #1407 of 8247
3/18/07 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by klillevo View Post

Haze2k: Thanks! Done. I kind of suspect AGP to a problem for some reason. If anyone with a working hardware acceleration AGP card reads this, please speak up

Certainly does look that way. Anyone got any Ideas why that would be? Does agp 8X have the bandwidth for HD?

We need data! Everyone start running PowerDVD 7.3 on every PC you can get your hands on that has a modern AVIVO or PUREVIDEO graphics card!

Oh, before I forgot my other PC is running XP pro with a PCIe 7900GT 93.71 and PowerDVD 7.1 and 7.3 work fine. If we're adding processors to the list (though I doubt that has anything to do with it) the X1950 has a Athlon 64 3500+ and the 7900gt has a Athlon 64 3700+
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post #1408 of 8247
3/18/07 at 1:41pm
AGP 8x does not have any bandwidth limitations for HD.

AGP in its lowest speed mode has a bandwidth of 254.3 MB/s. That's AGP 1x.
AGP 8x is 2.1 GB/s

Uncompressed HD at 1920x1080 and 60 fps needs less than 450 MB/s
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post #1409 of 8247
3/18/07 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by Nimo View Post

Since I installed 7.3 I have had no issues with driver compliance, using 93.71 in XP with a 7600GT.

As far as the banding in overlay with 7.1/7.3 it really isn't that bad on my TV the only time I see it is in fog with light. The scene fron KK when the ship is drifting in the fog before they hit the rock you can clearly see banding but very faint. To the average viewer they wouldn't even notice it.
But it sure would be nice to have that overlay switch like in MP11, hey Cybercrap can hear me it's just a switch!

I have a 7600 with the same drivers in XP, and the banding is just awful in parts. 11 minutes and 16 seconds into Batman Begins, there's the most atrocious banding visible in the ceiling of the room. Just awful. Some parts are worse than others, but boy does Cyberlink need to fix this. The banding is always there, but it does vary in visibility.
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post #1410 of 8247
3/19/07 at 3:36am
For those interested in PowerDVD and the ability to bypass AACS with utilities like AnyDVD, it looks like there are new versions of software coming out to fix the vunerabilities:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10059349

Regards,
Dean
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