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It is now easy to run mvpmc on MediaMVP from Windows. Part II

post #1 of 55
12/22/06 at 4:03pm
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With the release of mvpmc 0.3.2 it is now much easier to load a dongle.bin.config file with the appropriate date and time commands for replaytv, using standard software a windows share, and no changes to your home network.

I have posted some instruction to the mvpmc wiki. http://mvpmc.wikispaces.com/Loadconfig

If you have any questions on this let me know, and feel free to update the wiki with any additional comments.

Having to Telnet to the mvpmc or configuring a tftp server like TFTPTurbo should no longer be necessary.

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post #2 of 55
12/23/06 at 7:19am
Martin,

Why is "wireless load of mvpmc" not supported? And does this only apply to the new technique that you posted today?

- A
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post #3 of 55
12/23/06 at 10:32am
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Martin,

Why is "wireless load of mvpmc" not supported? And does this only apply to the new technique that you posted today?

- A

The wireless card is not supportted at all right now. The short answer is we haven't received any documentation from Hauppauge on the card yet and there are no linux drivers for it. We also have to provide something more secure then telnet because the card doesn't support WPA.

If you want to follow this there more about this on the mvpmc developer mailing list over the next couple of months. Until then the wired port of the wireless mvp still works.

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post #4 of 55
12/23/06 at 11:14am
OK, so you're talking about a wireless card in the MVP. I'm looking to wire the MVP to a wireless bridge. I'm guessing (except for performance issues vis-a-vis streaming Replays wirelessly) that the instructions would still be the same given my setup.

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post #5 of 55
12/23/06 at 12:30pm
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OK, so you're talking about a wireless card in the MVP. I'm looking to wire the MVP to a wireless bridge. I'm guessing (except for performance issues vis-a-vis streaming Replays wirelessly) that the instructions would still be the same given my setup.

Sure to the mvpmc that will work fine since you are using the wired port. I use a HomePlug to hook one of my mvp's up to a stereo and its the same concept.

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post #6 of 55
12/23/06 at 6:13pm
Cool. Thanks. I wanted to get it set up today, but other priorities prevailed.

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post #7 of 55
12/25/06 at 9:20am
I can not access my two replays. They are more than 40 sec out of time-sync.

From my DVArchive log

12/25 12:05:31 Notice: UPNP:: DVArchive has recognized new DVR ReplayTV named Doppler Upstairs at 192.168.1.101:80 (Serial RTV4508***********)
12/25 12:05:31 DVR Doppler Upstairs Photo space usage update: Total Capacity 953.62MB, Remaining 953.06MB
12/25 12:05:33 Notice: UPNP:: Received UPnP packet from previously unknown DVR @ 192.168.1.100 -- looking up DVR info
12/25 12:05:33 Notice: UPNP:: DVArchive has recognized new DVR ReplayTV named Doppler at 192.168.1.100:80 (Serial RTV4504***********)
12/25 12:05:33 DVR Doppler Photo space usage update: Total Capacity 953.62MB, Remaining 953.06MB
12/25 12:05:40 Notice: REPLAY_DEVICE[Doppler/192.168.1.100]:: Timestamp offset set to 0 seconds.
12/25 12:05:48 Notice: REPLAY_DEVICE[Doppler Upstairs/192.168.1.101]:: Timestamp offset set to 0 seconds.

As you can see dvarchive sees an offset of 0 Seconds.
10 Hours since last replay boot. New connect to service performed, so time is set on the replay (doppler).
I am running the absolute time server on the booting server. I am running windows XP. Just the dongle.bin file has been changed. Internet time has been set on the XP server, so it's in sync to real world.

Any other ideas why time is out of sync?

I like what I see in mvpmc better than hauppauges dongle.
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post #8 of 55
12/25/06 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by doppler View Post

Any other ideas why time is out of sync?

I like what I see in mvpmc better than hauppauges dongle.

It sounds like you haven't set up the dongle.bin.config file with the correct parameters according to.

http://www.mvpmc.org/windows/mvpmc_w..._howto.html#s9

Point your browser to you mvp and see if the time looks correct.

Martin
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post #9 of 55
12/25/06 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by mvallevand View Post

It sounds like you haven't set up the dongle.bin.config file with the correct parameters according to.

http://www.mvpmc.org/windows/mvpmc_w..._howto.html#s9

Point your browser to you mvp and see if the time looks correct.

Martin

Yes, that did work. Only variation I had to add -s to rdate. Otherwise date command
did not set new date. Still showed old date.

I would also suggest < Server IP Addr > example 172.31.1.5 be a pingable time
server. Time.nist.gov re: 192.43.244.18 should be the example. I only suggest this
because "absolute time server" is not a free program. It may have been at one time
free, but it's not now.

Not being a linux freak, but knowing enough to get me into trouble. The date command
displayed CST, I am in EST. Since the time was in sync, I could replaytv watch
I assume the "date" command is based on GMT ( plus a config file offset ). A
problem that I can live with. I am too much an old windose fart. Everytime I try
to play with linux, I don't get too far. Too much keyboard banging for my tastes.

Thank-you for the pointer and help.
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post #10 of 55
12/25/06 at 1:35pm
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Yes, that did work. Only variation I had to add -s to rdate. Otherwise date command
did not set new date. Still showed old date.

I would also suggest < Server IP Addr > example 172.31.1.5 be a pingable time
server. Time.nist.gov re: 192.43.244.18 should be the example. I only suggest this
because "absolute time server" is not a free program. It may have been at one time
free, but it's not now.

Not being a linux freak, but knowing enough to get me into trouble. The date command
displayed CST, I am in EST. Since the time was in sync, I could replaytv watch
I assume the "date" command is based on GMT ( plus a config file offset ). A
problem that I can live with. I am too much an old windose fart. Everytime I try
to play with linux, I don't get too far. Too much keyboard banging for my tastes.

Thank-you for the pointer and help.

You can edit your config file and use this setting for the EST setting (which I think will work in 2007).

TZ=EST+5EDT,M3.2.0/2,M11.1.0/2; export TZ;

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post #11 of 55
12/31/06 at 11:18am
I really, really, really followed the link about setting up the dongle.bin.config file in
c:\\mvpmc shared directory. I am running XP pro up-to-date.

The .config file example from the site with changes (pertinent to my setup).

I can see and change the config file accross my network. So the MVP should see
it too. I am assuming the config file is not being executed because:

1. The replaytvs are out of time sync.
2. The CIFS share (my change to config) is not in the filesystem.

By telneting into the system I can set the date and mount the share. Everything
is fine after that.

Yes, the config file is on the same system as the dongle.bin. I have a copy of the .config
in both mvpmc and hauppauge\\hardware. I even tried to give full R/W access to the mvpmc folder.

Where am I going wrong? Or is the curse of linux still upon me?

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Well I did resolve the problem to some degree. I went back to hauppauges dongle. The network config
screen (hauppauges) came up. I configured it again.
I then retried mvpmc dongle. Guess what it, started to work as expected.

There is a piece of information, involving the network address config (the ip and machine name).
That is deathly important to mvpmc to work right. MVPMC needs a tool to make
the changes that hauppauge did. When things are not right.

This is starting to make sense now. I was in the middle of changing all my dynamic interlan IP's to
DHCP/Static's. This included all MVP's I own as well as, other networked equipment. I did this
because dynamic was making it hard to find and fix things. " I have a lot of devices"

Please include this as part of troubleshooting in the howto's.
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post #12 of 55
1/1/07 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by doppler View Post

IThere is a piece of information, involving the network address config (the ip and machine name). That is deathly important to mvpmc to work right. MVPMC needs a tool to make the changes that hauppauge did.

I agree this is important for the older mvp's, the newer models are always presented with a setup screen. I have updated the wiki and I'm glad its working for you.

Martin
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post #13 of 55
2/27/07 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

I have my mediamvp/mvpmc hooked up again. I can watch DVArchive shows, but get a time error when I try to play shows on a replaytv.

any shot in heck someone will give me the needed dongle.bin.conf file I need and explain the syntax?

Assuming you followed the steps in my first message on this thread to load dongle.bin and dongle.bin.config a basic file for California with the constant time change would be

TZ=PST+8PDT,M3.2.0/2,M11.1.0/2; export TZ
/bin/ntpclient -s -h time.nist.gov
mvpmc -t /usr/share/mvpmc/replaytv.xml -R discover

or with a one time change.

TZ=PST+8PDT,M3.2.0/2,M11.1.0/2; export TZ
rdate -s time.nist.gov
mvpmc -t /usr/share/mvpmc/replaytv.xml -R discover

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post #14 of 55
2/27/07 at 9:00am
I made a share folder (can't I just put this dongle.bin.config in the folder dongle.bin originally resides?)

I made a 'c:\\mvpmc' share

Then I opened notepad and pasted (exactly):

TZ=PST+8PDT,M3.2.0/2,M11.1.0/2; export TZ
/bin/ntpclient -s -h time.nist.gov
mvpmc -t /usr/share/mvpmc/replaytv.xml -R discover

..and saved it as dongle.bin.config
Then I renamed it from dongle.bin.config.txt to dongle.bin.config
Then I put dongle.bin.config in c:\\mvpmc
Then for good measure I put dongle.bin in c:\\mvpmc too
Then for good measure I copied dongle.bin.config to the default haugpaug folder (the same folder that dongle.bin resides by default)

Then I unplugged and replugged the mvpmedia hardware.

Still have the time error.


Was I supposed to put semicolons after each line?
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post #15 of 55
2/27/07 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

I made a share folder (can't I just put this dongle.bin.config in the folder dongle.bin originally resides?)

Of course you could, the share name is important not the location

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Still have the time error.

Are you sure the config file is loading. You might be having the same problem as doppler did. Telnet to your mvpmc and type

cat /etc/tftp.config

If it isn't the ip of your Windows machine you didn't follow the Note on step 2 on the wiki.

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Was I supposed to put semicolons after each line?

No not necessary an & after the mvpmc is probably good.
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post #16 of 55
2/27/07 at 9:36am
Is there a way I can tell what time the mvpmedia thinks it is?

I don't know what to say. your software is great, and your documentation is overblown torture.
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post #17 of 55
2/27/07 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

Is there a way I can tell what time the mvpmedia thinks it is?

I don't know what to say. your software is great, and your documentation is overblown torture.

Either open the mvpmc ip with a browser and you should see the date and time or from telnet you can also use date command.

As for the documentation, the wiki is open, feel free to update it and make it better as I said in my first message on this thread.

For the script that uses ntpclient, you might need to actually set the time first with the rdate -s time.nist.gov

Martin
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post #18 of 55
2/27/07 at 11:00am
I opened mvpmc with my browser.

the 'time zone' box says: CST 6CDT,M4.1.0/2,M10.5.0/2

will you please just give me the string I should put in there for california time (PST). please don't give me the string from the config file, which looks close, but different.

Update: nevermind, I figured it out.

Now I can watch shows from my replaytv too (no time error)


I still have no guess as why the dongle.bin.config won't load though.
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post #19 of 55
2/27/07 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

I opened mvpmc with my browser.

the 'time zone' box says: CST 6CDT,M4.1.0/2,M10.5.0/2

will you please just give me the string I should put in there for california time (PST). please don't give me the string from the config file, which looks close, but different.

Update: nevermind, I figured it out.

Now I can watch shows from my replaytv too (no time error)


Still have no guess as why the dongle.bin.config won't load though.

Actually there's a bug in the browser config you need a nightly, because the comma is being eaten.

If dongle.bin.config isn't loading it is a user problem, either with the share or
not following the steps to update the flash. Telnetting you your box and following my previous instructions would tell you if it was flash so the problem was with sharing, maybe you have a password on the guest account.

Martin

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post #20 of 55
2/27/07 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by mvallevand View Post

Telnetting you your box and following my previous instructions would tell you if it was flash so the problem was with sharing, maybe you have a password on the guest account.

Martin

Martin

huh? when you say flash you aren't talking about firmware are you?
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post #21 of 55
2/27/07 at 11:34am
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huh? when you say flash you aren't talking about firmware are you?

The IP of the dongle.bin server is saved in flash memory by recent versions of the Hauppauge software and that is why that update is crucial, otherwise mvpmc won't know where to go. This nvram isn't really firmware. In any case mvpmc doesn't save to it at all.

Sometime this week this process will change, I am going to scan all shares for the mvpmc folder and this flash value won't be as important, but it will allow loading the config from a NAS device.

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post #22 of 55
2/27/07 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by mvallevand View Post

The IP of the dongle.bin server is saved in flash memory by recent versions of the Hauppauge software and that is why that update is crucial, otherwise mvpmc won't know where to go. This nvram isn't really firmware. In any case mvpmc doesn't save to it at all.

Sometime this week this process will change, I am going to scan all shares for the mvpmc folder and this flash value won't be as important, but it will allow loading the config from a NAS device.

Martin

I hooked up the mvpmp late last night and got the latest haugpauge software to try out your ez dongle.bin replacement.

Before I replaced the dongle.bin I ran the stock haupaug (latest) software. It looked quite different and smarter somehow.

Then I switched to the mvpmc dongle.bin (latest). It appeared to boot up just fine. I found myself at at small mvpmc splash screen (looked good). At that point it stayed at the splash screen for a long time. I just ignored it for like 5 min then left the room. when I came back 10 min later it had booted up (I didn't think it was going to). On later reboots it hangs there but for only 2 min, or something, then works. Is there a way around that? What's that about (not complaining, it's well worth the negligible wait).


..........


Let me ask you some misc questions awhile I can think of them.

Getting slimserver to find mediamvp as a player seems to be a fishy process. It appears slimserver will not find mediamvp as a player if I try to play an mp3. It appears to find mediamvp as a player only when I start an internet radio like shoutcast.

is this correct?

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post #23 of 55
2/27/07 at 3:30pm
This isn't the best timing, but I beg you to:

>change the green button to 'quickskip' (30 sec forward)
>change the red button to 'instant replay' (7 sec back)
note: curious, can you arbitrarily change the time (aka 30 sec forward-->15 sec forward)
>change yellow to 'page up'
>change blue to 'page down'
>the unmarked button in between 'mute' and 'full' to 'pause'

If you do I assure you people who use the replaytv features will be able to kick butt navigating.


To tell the truth I've wanted to get involved with mvpmc. That was my intention a year ago. I'd like to make simplified how-tos and video(s) to make it easy for people to start using mvpmc..slimserver, replaytv, (cant help with myth).
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post #24 of 55
2/27/07 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

I hooked up the mvpmp late last night and got the latest haugpauge software to try out your ez dongle.bin replacement.

Before I replaced the dongle.bin I ran the stock haupaug (latest) software. It looked quite different and smarter somehow

What you saw is perfect. When you hit OK on the preferred server you were updating the IP into flash
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Then I switched to the mvpmc dongle.bin (latest). It appeared to boot up just fine. I found myself at at small mvpmc splash screen (looked good).

After this point any delay is mvpmc looking for the config file. If you've got a tftp server poorly set up or your share is not set up properly 2 minutes wait will be normal. One day we will update flash ourselves but until then you need to fix either the share or tftp to get this done to the typical 5 or 10 seconds.
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Let me ask you some misc questions awhile I can think of them.

icecow "milks" me for information!
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Getting slimserver to find mediamvp as a player seems to be a fishy process. It appears slimserver will not find mediamvp as a player if I try to play an mp3. It appears to find mediamvp as a player only when I start an internet radio like shoutcast.

is this correct?

This is getting a bit OT and should really be place on the mvpmc mailing list since the MClient slimserver is under heavy development. Also I don't use slimserver, I use native support to access internet radio and my NAS's. Then again I don't use ReplayTV, I'm really just here to help everyone load mvpmc.

My bet is either you aren't using slimserver 6.5 or later, you don't have the slimserver CLI interface enabled or you are blocking the slimsever CLI port or UDP ports at your firewall.

Martin
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post #25 of 55
2/27/07 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

This isn't the best timing, but I beg you to:

>change the green button to 'quickskip' (30 sec forward)
>change the red button to 'instant replay' (7 sec back)
note: curious, can you arbitrarily change the time (aka 30 sec forward-->15 sec forward)
>change yellow to 'page up'
>change blue to 'page down'
>the unmarked button in between 'mute' and 'full' to 'pause'

If you do I assure you people who use the replaytv features will be able to kick butt navigating.

That's one for the mailing list for sure. I don't do any development work for replaytv. Note there are two remotes so sometimes a tradeoff has to be made.
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To tell the truth I've wanted to get involved with mvpmc. That was my intention a year ago. I'd like to make simplified how-tos and video(s) to make it easy for people to start using mvpmc..slimserver, replaytv, (cant help with myth).

It's getting better all the time and we're hoping to go to even more hardware platforms so feel free to join the mvpmc user or development community.

Martin
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post #26 of 55
2/27/07 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

This isn't the best timing, but I beg you to:

>change the green button to 'quickskip' (30 sec forward)
>change the red button to 'instant replay' (7 sec back)
note: curious, can you arbitrarily change the time (aka 30 sec forward-->15 sec forward)
>change yellow to 'page up'
>change blue to 'page down'
>the unmarked button in between 'mute' and 'full' to 'pause'

If you do I assure you people who use the replaytv features will be able to kick butt navigating.


To tell the truth I've wanted to get involved with mvpmc. That was my intention a year ago. I'd like to make simplified how-tos and video(s) to make it easy for people to start using mvpmc..slimserver, replaytv, (cant help with myth).

I read this back and realized I wasn't clear at all, and flawed too

more specifically, in video playback mode:
>change the green button to 'quickskip' (30 sec forward)
>change the red button to 'instant replay' (7 sec back)
>the unmarked button in between 'mute' and 'full' to 'pause'

self correct:
in the show mode, the 'page up' and 'page down' is best how it already is (red, yellow) (crossed my signals)
...

I made an account on wikispace and asked to join your wiki
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post #27 of 55
2/28/07 at 5:16am
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Originally Posted by mvallevand View Post

Actually there's a bug in the browser config you need a nightly, because the comma is being eaten.

Martin

huh?



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Originally Posted by mvallevand View Post

Actually there's a bug in the browser config you need a nightly, because the comma is being eaten.

If dongle.bin.config isn't loading it is a user problem, either with the share [b]or
not following the steps to update the flash. Telnetting you your box and following my previous instructions would tell you if it was flash so the problem was with sharing, maybe you have a password on the guest account.

Martin

I have an older Rev that is listed somewhere on your site as not having flash (there were 6 rev numbers, only the last three were listed as having 'flash')
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post #28 of 55
2/28/07 at 9:11am
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huh?

Sorry I mean there is a problem with the + sign in the TZ setting in 0.3.3 and you shouild use a nightly build from the mvpmc site if this is important.
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I have an older Rev that is listed somewhere on your site as not having flash (there were 6 rev numbers, only the last three were listed as having 'flash')

They all have flash to store some data but the new models contain more including a dongle in flash which always loads before loading the second dongle over the network.

Martin
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post #29 of 55
2/28/07 at 8:04pm
Is this the best place to post mvpmc/replaytv stuff?
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=501876
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post #30 of 55
2/28/07 at 8:36pm
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Is this the best place to post mvpmc/replaytv stuff?
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=501876

For me it's not the best support area, because the forum is so rudimentary. The best support is via the user or developer mailing list here.

http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=103474

I find you can browse these better via gmane (which also provides a news reader feed)

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.mvpmc.devel

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.mvpmc.user

Martin
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