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post #3391 of 4841
sorry if this has been answered already. I have a WD65831 mits dlp that has really washed out colors with the vga out, and this is the only way to get 1080p from 360. The color fix for vga the spring update brings will fix this washed out color? I assume we will not ever see a hdmi solution for current 360 users, so its nice to know they will fix the vga solution. One more question, Will the 360 over vga upconvert dvds to 1080p or 720p, 1080i only? I am glad i stumbled on this thread it is the best one on avs in my opinion. Just want to include I have had my tv isf calibrated by umr so I will not agree when someone tells me my tv calibration is causing washed out color.
post #3392 of 4841
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Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

sorry if this has been answered already. I have a WD65831 mits dlp that has really washed out colors with the vga out, and this is the only way to get 1080p from 360. The color fix for vga the spring update brings will fix this washed out color? I assume we will not ever see a hdmi solution for current 360 users, so its nice to know they will fix the vga solution. One more question, Will the 360 over vga upconvert dvds to 1080p or 720p, 1080i only? I am glad i stumbled on this thread it is the best one on avs in my opinion. Just want to include I have had my tv isf calibrated by umr so I will not agree when someone tells me my tv calibration is causing washed out color.

In general, yes. You will be able to select the levels used for VGA output to match it to your TV and that should give you a better image. I say "should" because some TVs have different settings for their VGA input and that could affect things too. As for calibration, unless your VGA port was calibrated, it is a good possibility that the VGA port is not where it needs to be (although could be close).

And with VGA, you can choose from a number of resolutions and we will convert the source to that resolution. Please see my earlier post on the resolutions available for VGA.
post #3393 of 4841
To any insiders:

It seems that the April issue of a French magazine discusses a purportedly upcoming Samsung hybrid/dual stand-alone player

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9&page=1&pp=30

If true, IMO this is a very exciting development - can any of you confirm the existence (or, just as importantly, the non-existence) of plans for this player?
If this player is being planned, are there any details you can share with us?

Thanks in advance for any information!
post #3394 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

In general, yes. You will be able to select the levels used for VGA output to match it to your TV and that should give you a better image. I say "should" because some TVs have different settings for their VGA input and that could affect things too. As for calibration, unless your VGA port was calibrated, it is a good possibility that the VGA port is not where it needs to be (although could be close).

And with VGA, you can choose from a number of resolutions and we will convert the source to that resolution. Please see my earlier post on the resolutions available for VGA.

I did have my tv's vga port calibrated. I use my tv with my pc now for streaming hd content and web browsing. when i hooked up my hd dvd player to my tv's dvi which will accept both analog and digital the color was fine. i hooked up my pc with a vga dvi converter the color was fine. I am assuming the 360 is just sending out the wrong color space, so the update should fix it. Can you tell me what the color space the 360 is sending out now. I think it is 0-ire. If i can confirm that i can ask my tech support guy here at work what my tv is looking for on the dvi analog connection. Once again thanks for being a great source of true info.
post #3395 of 4841
Two questions...

The first is basically an expanded version of post #3392.

There's a nice little list out there that currently gives the various output resolutions supported for different video sources within the 360 depending on what output kit is used. eg. SD DVD's upscale to 480p for component, and 1080p for VGA. HD-DVD's are 1080i on component, 1080p on VGA. Could we get an updated version of that with what will be possible over HDMI.

Second question:

Is there any chance of additional output framerates being supported from the 360? I'm currently unable to run 1080p from the 360 to my 1080p display (HP MD5800N) due to limitations in what framerates the TV is capable of accepting. Over component or VGA it will accept 1080p but only at 24 or 30fps - the 360 will only output 1080p at 60fps. I'm currently stuck at 720p, due to the 360's limitation of not allowing interlaced resolutions (1080i specifically) over the VGA cable - I'm hoping the Elite + HDMI will fix this as the TV does support 1080p60 over HDMI, but I don't want to lose my DVD upscaling (see question 1).
post #3396 of 4841
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Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

I did have my tv's vga port calibrated. I use my tv with my pc now for streaming hd content and web browsing. when i hooked up my hd dvd player to my tv's dvi which will accept both analog and digital the color was fine. i hooked up my pc with a vga dvi converter the color was fine. I am assuming the 360 is just sending out the wrong color space, so the update should fix it. Can you tell me what the color space the 360 is sending out now. I think it is 0-ire. If i can confirm that i can ask my tech support guy here at work what my tv is looking for on the dvi analog connection. Once again thanks for being a great source of true info.

Yes, we will have an option to select the zero IRE or setup. Another name for this is "PC levels" vs "video levels." So you should be good to go. If not, you know where to find me .
post #3397 of 4841
Amir,

You may have noticed the screenshot thread. I have pulled a distant, hard to encode piece of the background of a Mission Impossible screen grab:



The top image is VC-1, and the bottom is MPEG-2. You will notice that the MPEG-2 is noticeably sharper, but also grainier. It is becoming a recurring explanation that VC-1 is removing grain by softening it.

I can't imagine them filtering one before encoding, and not the other, so is MPEG-2 sharpening as it encodes, or is VC-1 softening as it encodes?
post #3398 of 4841
I have a pioneer VSX-59TXI reciever, which says it will decode wma pro 9. Is that all I need to take advantage of the new support for wma pro on the hd-dvd firmware update? Also did you confirm if the new wma pro support will work over optical?
If you answered this already thank you and sorry for not reading back to find the answer myself.
post #3399 of 4841
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

The only difference would be that that particular Samsung TV has an overscan problem with HDMI inputs - there is a thread for the units on this forum that describes the issue.

Just popped this reply in, in case the insider addressed was not familiar with the TV you've mentioned.

Thanks rdjam. It is good to have some helpers .

I actually own that Samsung LCD and it does unfortunately scale HDMI input, making it softer and losing good bit of the picture area. I have not however, compared its component input to HDMI to see how that fares. I suspect it is better but I am not sure.
post #3400 of 4841
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Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

I have a pioneer VSX-59TXI reciever, which says it will decode wma pro 9. Is that all I need to take advantage of the new support for wma pro on the hd-dvd firmware update? Also did you confirm if the new wma pro support will work over optical?
If you answered this already thank you and sorry for not reading back to find the answer myself.

Yes, and yes .
post #3401 of 4841
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Originally Posted by BBS G35 View Post

I hate to keep asking the same question, sorry about that..If you're looking into it, can you at least tell me your looking into it? Again, sorry, i'm really not trying to be rude.

Sorry, losing track of all the questions asked .

But yes, we do upsample DVDs over HDMI. The resolution would be whatever you set your HDMI port to (or what it autoselects if you don't).
post #3402 of 4841
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Originally Posted by MBL View Post

amir,
Will the spring update include option on, which bitrate to stream CD's to the xbox360 harddrive? - currently only 128 kb/s?

No change in the update. But the data rate is 192kbps which should be pretty good quality.
post #3403 of 4841
Amir,

Could you please find out (or explain if you know) why Universal would put Spanish subtitles on the SD for "The Good Shepherd" but not the HD DVD. I am going by what has been posted in a thread on this site. They take up such little space that it seems like a strange thing to leave off when the SD has it. There is a thread about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10193860

Thanks,
Darin
post #3404 of 4841
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Originally Posted by benwaggoner View Post

While ATSC allows integer frame rates, I've not seen them used in practice. All real-world "video" framerates in NTSC countries use the 0.1% slowdown, so when we say "30p" we really mean 30/1.001, which we round to 29.97 (but it's really 29.9700002997...). Similarly, "24p" is really 24/1.001.

Thanks Ben,

Just to be sure, you are saying HD DVD (and BD?) also use the 24/1.001 frame rate, right?

- Tom
post #3405 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Given the fact that the update is coming soon, I suggest checking that out first. It is not like you are sitting there with nothing to watch. The current box is very capable on its own and gets even better with the update. If after trying that, you still need the new box, you can check out the reviews and user feedback and then pull the trigger to upgrade the hardware.

Hi Amirm,
Can we expect the audio update this week or within 2 weeks to 1 month?
Many thanks,
Will
post #3406 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Hello everyone. Sorry for the late response. As I posted before, I was at a 2-day offsite with no net access (or time to use it!). Trying to catch up with all the questions asked.

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer).

Regarding this I have a Pioneer 915 Ampli with wmapro support, and I did enabled it

in the audio options of the 360,but till now I couldnt yet find a way to test the

ampli for that codec. I have downloaded many microsoft clips from the wmv HD

page but max I do get is the DD logo no Wmapro logo,please everbody help me

with ways to finally test this feature consider I have everything hooked up to the

ampli: x360,ps3,pc,ps2 etc
post #3407 of 4841
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Originally Posted by rover2002 View Post

Hi Amirm,
Can we expect the audio update this week or within 2 weeks to 1 month?
Many thanks,
Will

Closer to the later...
post #3408 of 4841
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

Amir,

Could you please find out (or explain if you know) why Universal would put Spanish subtitles on the SD for "The Good Shepherd" but not the HD DVD. I am going by what has been posted in a thread on this site. They take up such little space that it seems like a strange thing to leave off when the SD has it. There is a thread about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10193860

Thanks,
Darin

Sure. Have the question out to them...
post #3409 of 4841
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Originally Posted by PLASMATU View Post

Regarding this I have a Pioneer 915 Ampli with wmapro support, and I did enabled it

in the audio options of the 360,but till now I couldnt yet find a way to test the

ampli for that codec. I have downloaded many microsoft clips from the wmv HD

page but max I do get is the DD logo no Wmapro logo,please everbody help me

with ways to finally test this feature consider I have everything hooked up to the

ampli: x360,ps3,pc,ps2 etc

WMA Pro *decoder* is in the current release. However, on the way out of the box, it gets converted to Dolby Digital hence the reason you see DD logo.

With the upcoming update, for HD DVD playback, you will be able to select WMA Pro and experience the native sound.
post #3410 of 4841
is the 360 capable in the future to support dts or wma pro for game applications?
post #3411 of 4841
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Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

is the 360 capable in the future to support dts or wma pro for game applications?

In principal yes.
post #3412 of 4841
Quote:
Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

is the 360 capable in the future to support dts or wma pro for game applications?

That's been addressed at least twice in the last 2-3 pages.

Amir, So with this new audio update, would you say out of the 3 audio output options that will be available, WMA Pro will be best?

I am assuming, from what you have said so far, that the general quality will be as follows (from best to worst)

WMApro
DTS
DD

Is that accurate in your view?
post #3413 of 4841
when the 360 upscales dvd's does it properly identify and use 2/3 film correction. Does it properly upscale to 1080x1920, or does it throw away half the lines like some televisions? the regular dvd playback on the 360 looks horrible to me, so I'm hoping the upscaled 1080p does the trick.
post #3414 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Meatpopsicle View Post

That's been addressed at least twice in the last 2-3 pages.

Amir, So with this new audio update, would you say out of the 3 audio output options that will be available, WMA Pro will be best?

I am assuming, from what you have said so far, that the general quality will be as follows (from best to worst)

WMApro
DTS
DD

Is that accurate in your view?

To be honest, I have not compared them in this scenario. All three codecs are running in real-time which makes them a different animal than offline encoding.

And frankly, I don't want to go and defend WMA Pro across hundreds of posts . So I am not going to pick a certain order. The nice thing here is that unlike how the movies are produced, it is you, the consumer who has the choice. So dial the one that makes it sound the best to you.

Of course, I resever the right to come back and promote WMA Pro if it indeed does outperform the others .
post #3415 of 4841
Amir,

Is there any type of "error catching" that can be done with HDi authored movies, so that players that might not be able to fully play the advanced menu fallback to a more basic/simple mode that will at least allow users to play and watch the movie? If so, what's the possibility of this happening for movies? And please, maybe pass this on the the studios/authoring houses if the functionality is there.
post #3416 of 4841
This is for Amir

I've had this issue with the 360 ever since I got one at launch in 2005, why do cd's or any two channel audio show up as 5.1 channel on my lexicon pre\\pro? Not only are they showing up as 5.1 but the only sound are coming out of the right and left speakers the sub, surrounds and center do not have any sound coming out when playing 2 channel audio or cd's in the 360.

The 360 should be telling my pre\\pro it is only sending a 2 channel source not a 5.1 channel source. It seems the 360 is not properly broadcasting linear pcm for 2 channel audio. Now the original xbox correctly did this, cd's would correctly be detected as 2 channel audio and actually at 48KHZ so it seems the original xbox did some upsampling.

I'm using the optical output and have no problems with any other source and had no problems with the original Xbox, this issue is completely isolated to the 360.

The only way to get correctly get 2 channel audio out of the 360 is to go in the menu option and manually switch it to stereo instead of 5.1. shouldn't the 360 be smart enough to do this for me?
post #3417 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

We are still looking into this so I can't tell you if it is for sure a software upgrade and the date for it.


Amir,

Thanks for your quick follow up to all these questions. I'm sure we all appreciate it
post #3418 of 4841
Thanks to Amir for his time and patience answering all our endless questions.

For my part, my question to Amir is whether we will see any enhanced on-screen details while watching DVDs or HD-DVDs such as bit-rate, codec, etc.

As a Westinghouse LCD owner, it appears we are among the lucky who seem to currently have the best VGA performance. My 47" set looks fantastic at 1080p although admittedly I did have to tweak my brightness, color levels quite a bit to reach this picture quality. I doubt the spring update will be able to offer any picture quality improvements as it's about perfect now.

My final question which I apologize may have been answered already is whether we will ever see Xvid/DivX support on the 360.

Thanks again for your time Amir and maybe we'll see you soon in the Toronto area.

C.
post #3419 of 4841
Hey Amirm,

You seem to work very hard answering questions on this thread. It must be tough so thanks!

I wanted to make sure you were aware that there seemed to be a similar problem (though not quite with the same amount of publicity) as the 'Children of Men' HD DVD - 360 problem with 'The Departed': http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818379 .

My question is, with the Xbox 360 Elite, using HDMI to my 1080p TV, will the source remain 1080p the entire way (i.e. there is no conversion from 1080p to 1080i to 1080p again)? I know there is probably no discernable difference in quality, but my theory is the less manipulation, the better.

Again, thanks for taking the time!
post #3420 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Civuck View Post

Thanks to Amir for his time and patience answering all our endless questions.

My pleasure. The timing has been good as I have had time to keep up. Will be able to do the same tomorrow but then on the plan to Japan and offline for a bit...

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For my part, my question to Amir is whether we will see any enhanced on-screen details while watching DVDs or HD-DVDs such as bit-rate, codec, etc.

No plan really. These things are not accurate and are simply eye candy. There is no way to have accurate real-time data on variable rate streams like video. There is a buffer that fills and empties, masking the true data rate. I chuckle when I see people talk about specific numbers spitting out of PS3 for some video segment. I see multi-second delay between the true peaks and what PS3 shows for example.

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As a Westinghouse LCD owner, it appears we are among the lucky who seem to currently have the best VGA performance. My 47" set looks fantastic at 1080p although admittedly I did have to tweak my brightness, color levels quite a bit to reach this picture quality. I doubt the spring update will be able to offer any picture quality improvements as it's about perfect now.

Yes, some of these displays targetted at PC use have better data paths than consumer LCDs. Per my ealier note, my Samsung overscans and try as I might, I could not get anyone at their booth to underand me at CES, let alone plan to fix that. Had the same reaction from Sharp people, sad to say.

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My final question which I apologize may have been answered already is whether we will ever see Xvid/DivX support on the 360.

No plans really. The problem is more on the business side, than technical, when you are a company our size.
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