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post #3451 of 4841
To any HD DVD insider,

Is there anything new on the subtitle downloading service? I live in Greece and I really don't care about subtitles but...almost everyone else does. Not a single HD DVD has had greek subtitles and retailers refuse to carry them just for this fact. So I see HD DVD add-on drives all over the place, a few Toshiba players every now and then but no discs whatsoever.

Now, I know Greece is but a blip on the radar when it comes to its buying power as a market but it's a shame for the format to be handicapped here just because of subtitles.

So, is there anything moving concerning this? In each case, is there a timeframe for the implementation of the service?
post #3452 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I am hoping to convince them to do this for a/v applications. For gaming, it is harder because that impacts the ecosystem there and the graphics subsystem.

Would having this in video mode satisfy or is the request also for gaming?

The request is entirely for gaming, as far as I know.
post #3453 of 4841
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Originally Posted by dustoff View Post

Amirm,

Not sure if you can answer this, but will the elite distribute simultaneous video from component and HDMI.

I currently distribute component thoughout my house and would hate to loose this funtionality...

DO

Amirm,

In case you missed this little question...

Thanks for all of your input and info, over the past months....
post #3454 of 4841
To Amir or any other HD-DVD insider. Now the the HD-A1 firmware update is out are you can you offer any more specific details about the improvements other than what is offered on the website:

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This firmware update adds support for certain anticipated network delivered content in future HD DVD discs, improves certain video and audio processing capabilities, as well as addresses certain disc playback and HDMI/DVI related problems identified by Toshiba.

Thanks!
post #3455 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I am hoping to convince them to do this for a/v applications. For gaming, it is harder because that impacts the ecosystem there and the graphics subsystem.

Would having this in video mode satisfy or is the request also for gaming?

The request is entirely for gaming. Seeing that the vga cable already allows for 1920*1080, and also the 16:10 (1280*768) aspect ratio, i don't see the difficulties involved in adding the 1680*1050 which is lower in resolution than 1920*1080, and is a supported AR of 16:10.

Video is not a concern here, cos we've all pretty gotten used to black bars in movies on lcd monitors.

Please...we really need this....there's so many posts on the xbox forums on this i don't believe no one knows about this....unless no MS developer even reads the feedback of the people?

we don't mind black bars, we just want the proper resolution supported cos built in monitor scaling usually makes the picture a little fuzzy, and that's a big no no for such high def content right?

here:
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and here:
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sorry can't do direct links yet. just add forums(dot)xbox(dot)com in front
post #3456 of 4841
thanks for the reply armir. I just got one last thing.
Agin, parts, this time in 3 parts.

First, I had a really weird situation, whenI watcha movie via component aI get all the "flavor" of the colours, but tends to creat grain, or some sort of noise in the picture. Sometimes you canoot see it unless you go an inch to the tv, but sometimes it looks really easy. For example, watching serenity, I got a lot of grain watching it with the components, but with the VGA was correct, only thing is that the colours were dead. Is there a reason as to why sometimes, some movies look really good on component but awafull with vga, or vice--versa or is it just a problem of colour, and when I get the update and/ the vga-dvi converson I wn't see it anymore? Also I didnt' fully understand, will the update allow me to change colour settings from my xbox like I would with a regular PC??

Second question. (this one can also be valid to any insider of person that'd like to answer it)

this one is a bit tricky, can you say at least 5 things that make, in your opinion, HD DVD better than Blu-Ray?

Third question

once HD goes to 51 gbs in a disc, will the add-on be able to play such disks? I mean, would it be needed an updatem or cann the add- on do it now?

Again, thank you so much!!!
post #3457 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I am hoping to convince them to do this for a/v applications. For gaming, it is harder because that impacts the ecosystem there and the graphics subsystem.

Would having this in video mode satisfy or is the request also for gaming?

Gaming, even if 16:10 support meant having black bars to keep things framed in a 16:9 ratio it would be nice to have the 360 running in a native resolution. Having read the official Xbox forums and various other gaming-centric forums there seems to be a real demand for this feature - it was even requested heavily in Major Nelson's blog post about what the users wanted to see. So I'm a bit suprised that this feature is going to miss the boat again.

Thanks for your reply.
post #3458 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Summing things up, I post a detailed write up of why VC-1 is superior to AVC in encoding HD material. I went through great length describing various attributes, together with historical perspective and independent data backing the same. One area was disputed by Ron and that was in the case of light quantization, AVC is not being so aggressive with its filtering. We devised a better test, and a fair comparison between the codecs, showing that opposite is true, matching our experience in the field, to say nothing of the views of our top codec experts who have not only designed VC-1, but also led the standardization of AVC and contributed significant logic to it.

Hi Amr,

I've been away from the thread for awhile (since asking Loop Filter questions and receiving kind assistance from Ben Waggoner), and while trying to catch up I ran into your follow up on the VC-1 Vs AVC question (your presentation of the touch and retouch pixel images).

I thought I had the right idea earlier from Ben and your discussions and was happy to see your examples reinforce my expectations. I think it that much more overwhelmingly evident you are entirely correct that the better "detail" of MPEG-2 Vs "softening" of VC-1 has everything to do with incidental artificial sharpening associated with the MPEG-2 block edges.

I specifically looked at the edges of objects in your images (the rigging for example) and noticed those details were largely untouched by the filter, whereas they were heavily addressed by AVC. It is simply not possible the AVC result be more accurate (unless the VC-1 pre-filtering quantization itself was flawed relative to AVC -- which seems incredibly unlikely).

Just wanted to say thank you very much for taking the time (both you and your team) for creating that demonstration. I'm sure it must have helped many readers who were still unclear as to what the effect of the loop filter really was and as to the relatively benign nature of the one implimented in VC-1.
post #3459 of 4841
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Originally Posted by TrevorS View Post

Hi Amr,

I've been away from the thread for awhile (since asking Loop Filter questions and receiving kind assistance from Ben Waggoner), and while trying to catch up I ran into your follow up on the VC-1 Vs AVC question (your presentation of the touch and retouch pixel images).

I thought I had the right idea earlier from Ben and your discussions and was happy to see your examples reinforce my expectations. I think it that much more overwhelmingly evident you are entirely correct that the better "detail" of MPEG-2 Vs "softening" of VC-1 has everything to do with incidental artificial sharpening associated with the MPEG-2 block edges.

I specifically looked at the edges of objects in your images (the rigging for example) and noticed those details were largely untouched by the filter, whereas they were heavily addressed by AVC. It is simply not possible the AVC result be more accurate (unless the VC-1 pre-filtering quantization itself was flawed relative to AVC -- which seems incredibly unlikely).

Just wanted to say thank you very much for taking the time (both you and your team) for creating that demonstration. I'm sure it must have helped many readers who were still unclear as to what the effect of the loop filter really was and as to the relatively benign nature of the one implimented in VC-1.

Hi Trevor. This is such a heartwarming post! It took a ton of work to write (and review for correctness) my long posts on AVC vs VC-1. The reaction seemed to be disbelief and not much else which was surprising to me. As such, it is great to see that the concepts in there are indeed understood. But more importantly, observed in real content. So thanks for taking the time to chime in this way. It provides the motivation for me (and my team) to continue to write articles of that type to advance the level of discussion here.
post #3460 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I am hoping to convince them to do this for a/v applications. For gaming, it is harder because that impacts the ecosystem there and the graphics subsystem.

Would having this in video mode satisfy or is the request also for gaming?

Amir,

Still not a yes or no to my question, but I can read between the lines and see that as an obvious no.

In so far as having it put in for a future update for video mode alone? I think I speak for just about everyone here when I say that both game and video modes would be ideal. BUT, if I had to choose between the two, then I'd request it for games first and foremost.

It is a shame though, because I think this is easily one of the most (if not THE most) requested enhancements to the 360 that has been brought up time and again. Anyway, what ever can be done regarding this would greatly appreciated.

On a different note, the topic of 1:1 pixel mapping had been brought up earlier on and you responded that 1:1 is handled by the display device only. Near as I can tell that's incorrect. 1:1 can be handled on either the source or display end.

My monitor for example which is a Samsung 225BW has no 1:1 so 360 games, DVDs, and cable programming are stretched to fit the 16:10 aspect. But my PC on the other hand can properly display game and video images if I change a setting in my nVidia drivers. So in theory the 360 "should" be able to include 1:1 mapping unless the hardware for some odd reason can't support it (if so I'd be surprised). Might be something to pass along to the guys at MS because if nVidia can do it, I don't see why MS shouldn't be able to. Just a thought.
post #3461 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I am hoping to convince them to do this for a/v applications. For gaming, it is harder because that impacts the ecosystem there and the graphics subsystem.

Would having this in video mode satisfy or is the request also for gaming?

I apologise to the admins, but for me, it's primarily gaming. But I do intend to get the HD DVD Drive in the future.
Honestly, speaking, I'd love to get a a TV or monitor with 1280x720, or if not possible, just any one which the Xbox 360 supports. But considering my miserable budget I can only afford monitor and I'm really, really surprised to see that 1440x900 and 1680x1050 is the most common ones out there, more than I suspected.

As for HD DVD, it is a complete no-no if there is no resolution setting for that. The picture will appear way too fuzzy for my liking.
And even when it comes to DVDs too. The picture becomes unncecssarily fuzzy because of incompatible resolution.

Amir, is it too late to bring this up and added into the upcoming release? I'm really disappointed this has been completely missed yet again. There are so many owners, not just myself, trying in vain to bring this up to as many people as possible, including Major Nelson's site, there were so many comment entrys during the last big update in October 2006, all about this issue. And if I might say so myself, it is probably more in demand than 1080p.
post #3462 of 4841
Amir, is the HD-DVD camp working on getting higher maximum bitrates out of TL51?

Im just asking, if you're working on it, not if it's going to happen
post #3463 of 4841
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Originally Posted by BBS G35 View Post

Amir, is the HD-DVD camp working on getting higher maximum bitrates out of TL51?

Im just asking, if you're working on it, not if it's going to happen

I don't know how to answer "working." Toshiba is presenting their proposal and the forum will review details of it and decide. I head heard last year that TL-51 had support for 1.5X data rate but I have nothing else beyond that to confirm it.

We should wait to see what comes out of the forum.
post #3464 of 4841
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Originally Posted by BozQ View Post

I apologise to the admins, but for me, it's primarily gaming. But I do intend to get the HD DVD Drive in the future.
Honestly, speaking, I'd love to get a a TV or monitor with 1280x720, or if not possible, just any one which the Xbox 360 supports. But considering my miserable budget I can only afford monitor and I'm really, really surprised to see that 1440x900 and 1680x1050 is the most common ones out there, more than I suspected.

As for HD DVD, it is a complete no-no if there is no resolution setting for that. The picture will appear way too fuzzy for my liking.
And even when it comes to DVDs too. The picture becomes unncecssarily fuzzy because of incompatible resolution.

Amir, is it too late to bring this up and added into the upcoming release? I'm really disappointed this has been completely missed yet again. There are so many owners, not just myself, trying in vain to bring this up to as many people as possible, including Major Nelson's site, there were so many comment entrys during the last big update in October 2006, all about this issue. And if I might say so myself, it is probably more in demand than 1080p.

Appreciate the feedback. Since this request is not directly related to video side of things, my suggestion is to create a new thread for it in the appropriate forum and seek out consensus on exactly what resolutions, etc. people are asking for. Have the creator send me a PM with where it is and I will do my best to forward the summary to the Xbox team.

As to impacting the current releases, there is really no chance. You all want those releases for the many other things that they enable and we don't want to delay the schedule more to add features. I know I don't at least given how much punishment I get on when we release the updates .
post #3465 of 4841
Samsung Universal Player in July? Looking for BD folk input. Has Samsung Gone Neutral?

Amir responded any BD or Samsung folks here to give credence or deny?

Is this true that Samsung will deliver a Universal Player for both formats in July or is this a Aprils Fools joke? From what I understand it will be HDi compliant so it would be able to display the HD DVD logo. Also, I understand that it is supposed to deliver 1080p/24 BD only but 1080p for both BD and HD DVD.

Are we being joshed?
post #3466 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Unfortunately not. Lossless would exceed the data rate of optical so it was not a possibility there. We could have done it for HDMI I suppose but for now, we are maxing it out at 1.5 mbit/sec.

Note that WMA Pro is more advanced than other codecs (think of it as the VC-1 of audio codecs) so at 1.5 mbit/sec, it should be quite transparent.

Hi Amir, I totally understand the reasons for not supporting HDMI 1.3 at 360 launch as the spec was not final, not many receivers existed (with HDMI) and new technology is very expensive to implement out of the gate. I am Senior FAE for a RAID controller company so I understand the business and hardware side, but is it safe to say Microsoft did not included audio paths that are "wide enough" for LPCM (in first place regardless of whether HDMI 1.3 was completed or not) as Toshiba A1 and A2 support TrueHD via decoding TrueHD tracks to LPCM as neither device supports HDMI 1.3?
post #3467 of 4841
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Originally Posted by species_8472 View Post

Hi Amir, I totally understand the reasons for not supporting HDMI 1.3 at 360 launch as the spec was not final, not many receivers existed (with HDMI) and new technology is very expensive to implement out of the gate. I am Senior FAE for a RAID controller company so I understand the business and hardware side, but is it safe to say Microsoft did not included audio paths that are "wide enough" for LPCM (in first place regardless of whether HDMI 1.3 was completed or not) as Toshiba A1 and A2 support TrueHD via decoding TrueHD tracks to LPCM as neither device supports HDMI 1.3?

Are you asking if Toshiba could have wide enough data paths for PCM audio, why didn't we?

If so, the reason is that these are very different engines. In case of Toshiba, they have an A/V subsystem with dedicated processors for such task. The System on a Chip (SoC) on these machines decodes the audio with ready data path to a DAC or HDMI bridge for output. In other words, they are purpose built that way. The 360 is a general purpose computing platform and its data paths were designed differently.
post #3468 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Atar3on View Post

On a different note, the topic of 1:1 pixel mapping had been brought up earlier on and you responded that 1:1 is handled by the display device only. Near as I can tell that's incorrect. 1:1 can be handled on either the source or display end.

My monitor for example which is a Samsung 225BW has no 1:1 so 360 games, DVDs, and cable programming are stretched to fit the 16:10 aspect. But my PC on the other hand can properly display game and video images if I change a setting in my nVidia drivers. So in theory the 360 "should" be able to include 1:1 mapping unless the hardware for some odd reason can't support it (if so I'd be surprised). Might be something to pass along to the guys at MS because if nVidia can do it, I don't see why MS shouldn't be able to. Just a thought.

You can compensate for scaling in the monitor but cannot fix it. In other words, you can get the right aspect ratio/cropping but as long as the display resizes what comes in, you are going to lose resolution. So I continue to say that there is no "1:1" pixel mapping in any source. For example, no HD DVD/BD player has such a feature.

You could make a case that there are displays which have a different native resolution than what their HDMI port accepts. This is the request which I have received and will pass on to the team once we finalize in the other thread on exactly what settings people want. But I don't call this "1:1" pixel mapping. I just call it different "pixel timing" (i.e. resolution settings).
post #3469 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Are you asking if Toshiba could have wide enough data paths for PCM audio, why didn't we?

If so, the reason is that these are very different engines. In case of Toshiba, they have an A/V subsystem with dedicated processors for such task. The System on a Chip (SoC) on these machines decodes the audio with ready data path to a DAC or HDMI bridge for output. In other words, they are purpose built that way. The 360 is a general purpose computing platform and its data paths were designed differently.

So it is done via the SOC.. I understand completely. Was not sure what path (to support TrueHD) Toshiba took (good to know). Thanks for the clarification.
post #3470 of 4841
PaidGeek:

Teased on Casino Royale, can you please share when we might see the greatest, most controversial film ever made released on BD, Bad Boys II?
post #3471 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

That is true and not a good thing. Fortunately, reviews and users alike have been vocal about HD DVD side working as it should. With future devices not being modified BD players, I hope this problem will become less of a factor in the future.


Agreed if true .


Actually, they represent a postive thing for us. You have to remember that the day before LG announced their dual format player, they were "BD exclusive." Now they are not, acknowledging the value of HD DVD in the marketplace. To the extent other BD exclusive CE companies share the same views, that would be even more positive for us. Clearly if BD is "winning," someone hasn't told them in the same meeting where that news is shared .

But yes, we like them to fix these deficiencies and as such, be able to sport an HD DVD logo on their product. They can only market such devices for so long without full support.

Amir,

From what I have been reading (on these threads) this player will be able to output 1080p for both formats. It is that problematic 1080p/24 where there may be a difference between BD and HD DVD. Is this really a problem since few can even use this feature at present and for the forseeable future. Joe6pack won't care. Where they might care is if the BD side can't use all the features of a BD player that might be released post October 2007. Granted, Joe6pack probably won't be looking at this player but it is something to think about.
post #3472 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Appreciate the feedback. Since this request is not directly related to video side of things, my suggestion is to create a new thread for it in the appropriate forum and seek out consensus on exactly what resolutions, etc. people are asking for. Have the creator send me a PM with where it is and I will do my best to forward the summary to the Xbox team.

As to impacting the current releases, there is really no chance. You all want those releases for the many other things that they enable and we don't want to delay the schedule more to add features. I know I don't at least given how much punishment I get on when we release the updates .


I sent you a PM with an appropriate link to a thread about just that. Sorry to the admins for going a little off topic there, my apologies!
post #3473 of 4841
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Originally Posted by alfbinet View Post

Amir,

From what I have been reading (on these threads) this player will be able to output 1080p for both formats. It is that problematic 1080p/24 where there may be a difference between BD and HD DVD. Is this really a problem since few can even use this feature at present and for the forseeable future. Joe6pack won't care. Where they might care is if the BD side can't use all the features of a BD player that might be released post October 2007. Granted, Joe6pack probably won't be looking at this player but it is something to think about.

Got it.

I am hoping that in a year or so, it would be routine for display processor to convert 60p back to 24p multiples for film content.
post #3474 of 4841
Hello Amir, Lets shift gears for just abit.... This was posted in another thread, and since we have had playability problems with some of the recent HD DVD releases, can you look into this? And as always we appreciate your participation!

jimby_99
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Don't be too hard on Universal
I'll throw my two cents in here. I am a production supervisor on a current HD-DVD and Blu-ray release (NIN), and I went through the process of authoring and manufacturing for both formats, for both the main releases and sampler discs.

There are two problems with making titles for HD-DVD that Blu-ray doesn't have:

1. It's not possible to make a full HD-DVD burn yet to check the entire title; you have to preview the title on an emulator, which does NOT give you the ability to QC in various players. This is a huge disadvantage compared to Blu-ray, where you can make a Blu-ray burn and run it in specially modified production players.

Without the ability to burn check discs, there is virtually no way to do proper QC.

Of course you could do a manufacturing run at the plant for test discs, but for every run that you do, you have to purchase AACS security keys, which cost a bundle, and then you lose a week in the schedule waiting for the discs to be run. Not to mention that some manufacturers have large minimum quantities that make this unbelieveably costly to do.

2. The verifier software that Toshiba is responsible for is (in my opinion) not currently up to the task. For those who don't know what verifier software is...this is the software that is run when the title is received at the manufacturing plant to verify that the authoring is "legal" and to the specification. It's meant to catch specification-related bugs in the authoring BEFORE the disc is replicated.

I had a issue on one series of HD-DVDs that we ran at a well-known replicator that passed the verifier, but would not play on the Toshiba A1 player. In fact, it caused the player to require a reboot after the disc was inserted into the player. This is completely unacceptable for verifier software, and Toshiba is mostly is responsible for this piece. My company ended up eating part of the cost of a replication run because of this problem.

So I wouldn't be too hard on Universal as a lot of this stuff is probably beyond their control.
post #3475 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

You can compensate for scaling in the monitor but cannot fix it. In other words, you can get the right aspect ratio/cropping but as long as the display resizes what comes in, you are going to lose resolution. So I continue to say that there is no "1:1" pixel mapping in any source. For example, no HD DVD/BD player has such a feature.

You could make a case that there are displays which have a different native resolution than what their HDMI port accepts. This is the request which I have received and will pass on to the team once we finalize in the other thread on exactly what settings people want. But I don't call this "1:1" pixel mapping. I just call it different "pixel timing" (i.e. resolution settings).


Amir,

I wasn't suggesting that the 360 could fix a monitor's lack of 1:1, only that it might be able to compensate for it (as you say) the same as a PC video card can do. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but 1:1 means that it would display the image in it's original aspect ratio on screen without stretching it to fit the screen. To do so it would insert black bars around the image where applicable (top and bottom or on sides) if the image is smaller that the screen's native res. That way no stretching of the original image is caused because the image being sent to the monitor would then match the native res of the monitor.

Just an idea, but I think someone else here may have also made that suggestion as well. Anyway, thanks again for the info and keeping us interested.
post #3476 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Atar3on View Post

Amir,

I wasn't suggesting that the 360 could fix a monitor's lack of 1:1, only that it might be able to compensate for it (as you say) the same as a PC video card can do. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but 1:1 means that it would display the image in it's original aspect ratio on screen without stretching it to fit the screen. To do so it would insert black bars around the image where applicable (top and bottom or on sides) if the image is smaller that the screen's native res. That way no stretching of the original image is caused because the image being sent to the monitor would then match the native res of the monitor.

Just an idea, but I think someone else here may have also made that suggestion as well. Anyway, thanks again for the info and keeping us interested.

1:1 means every source pixel matches with only a single pixel on your display. If your TV scales, it means that it will interpolate pixels meaning every pixel will depend on more than one pixel in the source. If the interpolator cannot be bypassed, there is nothing you can do in the source to counter its effect. Yes, you can make your source image smaller so that you see all of it but every pixel still maps to more than one on the display, smearing detail, and introducing scaling errors.

And thanks for the kind words.
post #3477 of 4841
Hey Amirm,

You seem to work very hard answering questions on this thread. It must be tough so thanks!

I wanted to make sure you were aware that there seemed to be a similar problem (though not quite with the same amount of publicity) as the 'Children of Men' HD DVD - 360 problem with 'The Departed': http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818379 .

My question is, with the Xbox 360 Elite, using HDMI to my 1080p TV, will the source remain 1080p the entire way (i.e. there is no conversion from 1080p to 1080i to 1080p again)? I know there is probably no discernable difference in quality, but my theory is the less manipulation, the better.

Again, thanks for taking the time!
post #3478 of 4841
Any word on my issue?

should be easy to test using optical out the 360 should tell my pre\\pro it is sending a 2 channel signal when a cd is put in not a 5.1 channel signal.

"This is for Amir

I've had this issue with the 360 ever since I got one at launch in 2005, why do cd's or any two channel audio show up as 5.1 channel on my lexicon pre\\pro? Not only are they showing up as 5.1 but the only sound are coming out of the right and left speakers the sub, surrounds and center do not have any sound coming out when playing 2 channel audio or cd's in the 360.

The 360 should be telling my pre\\pro it is only sending a 2 channel source not a 5.1 channel source. It seems the 360 is not properly broadcasting linear pcm for 2 channel audio. Now the original xbox correctly did this, cd's would correctly be detected as 2 channel audio and actually at 48KHZ so it seems the original xbox did some upsampling.

I'm using the optical output and have no problems with any other source and had no problems with the original Xbox, this issue is completely isolated to the 360.

The only way to get correctly get 2 channel audio out of the 360 is to go in the menu option and manually switch it to stereo instead of 5.1. shouldn't the 360 be smart enough to do this for me?"
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Originally Posted by swanlee View Post

Any word on my issue?

should be easy to test using optical out the 360 should tell my pre\\pro it is sending a 2 channel signal when a cd is put in not a 5.1 channel signal.

"This is for Amir

I've had this issue with the 360 ever since I got one at launch in 2005, why do cd's or any two channel audio show up as 5.1 channel on my lexicon pre\\pro? Not only are they showing up as 5.1 but the only sound are coming out of the right and left speakers the sub, surrounds and center do not have any sound coming out when playing 2 channel audio or cd's in the 360.

The 360 should be telling my pre\\pro it is only sending a 2 channel source not a 5.1 channel source. It seems the 360 is not properly broadcasting linear pcm for 2 channel audio. Now the original xbox correctly did this, cd's would correctly be detected as 2 channel audio and actually at 48KHZ so it seems the original xbox did some upsampling.

I'm using the optical output and have no problems with any other source and had no problems with the original Xbox, this issue is completely isolated to the 360.

The only way to get correctly get 2 channel audio out of the 360 is to go in the menu option and manually switch it to stereo instead of 5.1. shouldn't the 360 be smart enough to do this for me?"

I agree this is not a good thing and I am asking the Xbox team to consider revising in the future.
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Originally Posted by amillians View Post

To any BD insiders:

Is AVS Forum part of Phase Hydra? The Digital Bits? Engadet?

Damn, is there something you don't know Alex?

If we ever write a book on this whole story, we need to dedicate a chapter to you .

Wonder how many people will get what we are talking about....
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