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post #3511 of 4841
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Originally Posted by kornesque View Post

The 360 is advertised as being the solution for the @home media center, able to play HD video @ 1080p amongst other wonderful things. But apparently 1080p is a relative term.

The WMV-HD Showcase offers oodles of 1080p video clips, which are just dandy for 360 playback. Well, 1440x1080p. I suppose it's still 1080p. Due to the aspect ratio and "antiquated" codec profiles used for encoding these clips, the average BR is about 8mpbs from what I've seen.

I've created many WMVs encoded using WVC1 @1920x1080, and the average bitrate is ~17mbps. My expensive monster can handle them, but i'd rather have them on the big screen in a different room. The 360 cannot handle them, and I'm quite positive it's not a network issue (it's wired and 100mpbs full). So my question is twofold:

What is the maximum bitrate the 360 can handle? I've heard from various places that the HD-DVD drive provides some assistance for the decoding process of a disc, but what exactly is going on in there? This issue's been bugging me for a while, and after some testing it appears the highest reliable bitrate i can provide the 360 is ~12mbps. I don't know what the average bitrate of an HD-DVD is, but I'm sure it's much higher. Thanks again for all the helpful info!

The HD DVD drive is just a drive - all the decoding and processing is in the Xbox 360. So the hardware itself can certainly decode VC-1 @ 30 Mbps peak and doing a lot of other stuff at the same time. However, there are different optimizations for HD DVD and WMV.

The real limit for WMV playback isn't the average bitrate, but the peak bitrate. What mode are you encoding in? If it's VBR, make sure you're using VBR (Peak Limited) and set a reasonable cap. Maybe start with 20 Mbps?

Bear in mind that the peak rate also determines what your network can do. If your average is 17 but your peaks are 50, that can also have trouble on a 100Base-T network if there's other stuff going on.
post #3512 of 4841
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Originally Posted by wnorris View Post

On a similar topic, is it possible to damage the Xbox360 by playing self-encoded WMV files at high(er) bitrates than normal (downloaded) WMV? I had a 360 that I purchased in November and had used it for less than 80 hours. It had worked perfectly, without a hiccup. I have all my CD's ripped as MP3's on a home server, and used the 360 to play those files remotely. I had played a few games with no problems. I decided to try streaming movies too. Basically turn the 360 into a movie "jukebox". I ripped some DVD's and rencoded them as WMV file using Windows Media Encoder, between 5-8 Mps total bitrate, depending on the source material.

Well, the first video I did started playing back fine. It made it through the opening movie credits when the image froze (the 360 locked up). I powered down, back up, and got the red ring of death. The 360 no longer functioned. I was eventually told a failed video card and got a replacement unit.

A few weeks later, I got my replacement. I played the replacement for a few days with games, MP3's, downloaded video, etc. and it worked fine. I fired up a different WMV encoded DVD and it started playing fine. But about 35 seconds into the movie, the screen went black (the power light was still on and one green segment). The 360 didn't seem to be responding, so I powered off and back on. Red ring of death again. Another return and apparently another failed video card. Another replacement, but now I'm afraid to even try streaming WMV video.

I find it odd that both consoles worked perfectly until I tried to stream WMV video to them, and then they suddenly fail. Is there something in a 5-8 Mbs stream (or higher) that could somehow damage the 360?

We've got a whole lot of people playing back 12 Mbps peak HD WMV files via Xbox Live Markplace all the time without these kinds of issues, and I play HD .WMV files off DVD-R on my retail 360 all the time.

I think you just had an unpleasent coincidence. If it happens a third time, though, send me a copy of that WMV file! Or send it to me first, and I'll try it on mine first .
post #3513 of 4841
Ben,

I can't thank you enough for this information. I never even thought to cap the bitrate - my files are VBR, but i never modified my profiles to limit the peak. I'll try a sample and let you know. Cheers!
post #3514 of 4841
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Originally Posted by kornesque View Post

I can't thank you enough for this information. I never even thought to cap the bitrate - my files are VBR, but i never modified my profiles to limit the peak. I'll try a sample and let you know. Cheers!

Cool, let me know how that goes.

I've been lobbying to drop the non-peak constrained VBR mode for just that reason - there's really never a case where you want an unbound peak, and you can set it arbitrarily high for easy content on powerful devices.

Also, if you want to do random access in HD content, you want to have more frequent keyframes. Every 2-4 seconds is a good range (FYI, HD DVD uses 0.6 sec).
post #3515 of 4841
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Originally Posted by paidgeek View Post

I think someone in the BD PR group made an interesting choice in giving a dramatic name to what amounts to standard PR/marketing activities. Would this even be a topic of discussion if it had not been given a name appropriate for a Godzilla sequel?

Thanks for the response. To answer your question, Hydra it would have caught my attention no matter the name. They psychology of advertising/PR is facinating, particulaly the idea of viral marketing/advertising.

One clarification though, do you mean by what you stated above that (1) Hydra is just a standard marketing effort (in other words, advertising, etc), or that (2) this type of viral marketing (people posting in forums promoting a product without disclosing their affliation) is standard PR/Marketing?

Thanks
post #3516 of 4841
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Originally Posted by paidgeek View Post

I think someone in the BD PR group made an interesting choice in giving a dramatic name to what amounts to standard PR/marketing activities. Would this even be a topic of discussion if it had not been given a name appropriate for a Godzilla sequel?

I very much enjoy your paricipation for instance in this forum, however it's deemed very important by the board that your affiliation is noted in your signature/profile. If it's important here to show paid affiliation that could color opinions why wouldn't it be important for paid internet marketers?


Respectfully paidgeek, are you implying that you see no problem (ethical) which such paid undercover marketing proliferating across the internet?
post #3517 of 4841
BD Insider,

What is up with the "Brothers Grimm". Leaving the movie itself out of it (not my cup of tea), I expected the image quality to be high from reviews I have read. The black level was inconsistent and their was tons, I mean tons of macroblocking in the darker areas. Reviewers did not mention that at all. I also watched the Transporter 2 which looked fantastic. I am using PowerDVD 7.3, is this a problem with the source material or do you think it is my player?

- Rich
post #3518 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Meatpopsicle View Post

He was responding to Amir's "if there is interest here..."
As am I, so I will put it in the form of an official question.
Amir, can you please expound on multi-headed sea dragons and what you might know about them?
There is currently a pretty quickly growing thread about it, so I would say there is interest.

Wow, that is very high level of interest!

My reaction to this program was actually different than what people seem to worry about. Yes, having more shills here would be bad. But you all are excellent in weeding them out. Few can show up here and pretend to speak our language within two days of indoctrination. Certainly AVS is too sophisticated for cheap games like this. If you keep someone like me on my toes, I know the shills stand little chance against you all . And the internet has lose lips like there is no tomorrow. Should folks find these people, the damage is more than any good people think they do.

The thing I was surprised about is to what extent they understand (or don't understand in this case) what the Internet is about, and who is part of and who is not. Unfortunately, some of this detail is not in Alex's post so I can't be too specific. But suffice it to say, the broad brush they are using to paint here might cause them trouble. Professional marketing people have little understanding of the dynamics here and elsewhere and it shows from the list of the targets they have. And there is so much you can try to market and influence bloggers and such before they lose their credibility and have the whole thing backfire on you as a result.

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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

Amir,
Any comment about the HD DVD promotion group engaging in such behavior (phase hydra)?
Thanks,
Robert.

No. We have no program like this. We talk to bloggers and editors of web sites like we do with trade magazine, analysts, etc. If they request interviews, we talk to them. If we are in an area, we give them a chance to come and hear our message as we do with the others just listed.

We don't plant shills. We don't pay random people to come and say good things about HD DVD or bad about the other guy. This kind of stuff gets discovered one day and does far more damage than good in my opinion.

I will finish this post with a great line I learned from the speech writer for one of our presidents on how to deal with embarrassing revelations. His advice was, tell it all, tell it now! The longer you wait and the less you say, the more things will start to smell like week old fish . Of course, it is remarkable how many people ignore such sage advice....
post #3519 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Blasst View Post

Hello Amir, Lets shift gears for just abit.... This was posted in another thread, and since we have had playability problems with some of the recent HD DVD releases, can you look into this? And as always we appreciate your participation!

Would be happy to. As always, one must keep in mind that not everyone in the ecosystem knows all the answers and capabilities which might exist. This is especially so of the smaller houses who may have less access to people making tools and such.

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I'll throw my two cents in here. I am a production supervisor on a current HD-DVD and Blu-ray release (NIN), and I went through the process of authoring and manufacturing for both formats, for both the main releases and sampler discs. There are two problems with making titles for HD-DVD that Blu-ray doesn't have:

1. It's not possible to make a full HD-DVD burn yet to check the entire title; you have to preview the title on an emulator, which does NOT give you the ability to QC in various players. This is a huge disadvantage compared to Blu-ray, where you can make a Blu-ray burn and run it in specially modified production players.

Without the ability to burn check discs, there is virtually no way to do proper QC.

Well, we have one better and that is, burning HD DVD compatible DVD-Rs. You can easily test your interactivity and navigation using abbreviated (movie) content and do a ton of QC this way, with substantially less cost than burning BD-R discs. Yes, you can't test the entire movie content this way but I am not sure who would want to trust a BD-R discs as their final QC either if the worry is that replication could screw things up.

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2. The verifier software that Toshiba is responsible for is (in my opinion) not currently up to the task. For those who don't know what verifier software is...this is the software that is run when the title is received at the manufacturing plant to verify that the authoring is "legal" and to the specification. It's meant to catch specification-related bugs in the authoring BEFORE the disc is replicated.

Per above, substantial amount of testing (including 100% of the interactivity) can be done using real hardware if one wants. But at some point, you have to replicate real content on final AACS discs to be sure. There is no getting around that.

In general, when it comes to tool support, we get much higher praise than the other format. And there are other tools beside Toshiba now (e.g. Sonic). Here is what another insider working at a larger shop said a while ago on similar topic: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9500194

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Originally Posted by Jeff Williams View Post

Now there's a loaded question [which format is easier to author for]. The short answer; HD is easier than BD. The long answer is much more involved.

On the HD side, standard content authoring is identical to SD authoring. You're really just putting better A/V and menus into the same process. If you move into advanced content, HDi, it's night and day difference from standard content authoring. All the control is moved from preset commands to JavaScript and XML. It's very similar it web based programming, so the transition is a bit easier for most.

On the BD side, there are also two choices also. The simpler of the two, BDMV, has many similarities to SD authoring with different names. It takes some getting use to but makes sense once you're familiar with it. The biggest problem is the graphics for the menus. No images can overlap, so any menu with a curve becomes a hassle to slice up; the images are limited to 8-bit(256 colors); and each "page" of a menu must have an associated palette. The graphics people really find it frustrating.

Now, when moved to BDJ, things move in a whole other direction. It becomes more like an HDi environment where you have the freedom to do what you please. The image constraints from above are no longer an issue. The issue that does arise very quickly is the move to a full-blown Java environment. It no longer becomes an easy task to migrate someone to BDJ, unless they have a programming background. I can see it limiting BDJ to larger facilities than can afford to hire someone if someone is not available in house already. I would image smaller authoring houses sticking to BDMV for quite some time.

The above isn't what made me say HD is easier than BD. What has made me are two very important things; support and testing. Microsoft as a whole; not just Amir, Ben, and others here, has been extremely helpful. Sony, on the other hand, doesn't seem to want to be as helpful. I've tried several times to get the proper communication channels setup to further what I am doing and their own format, but to no avail. And second, I can't get reliable playback with BD. What do I mean by that?

Of course when you are developing anything new, there is a lot testing done. The testing has gone much smoother on the HD side. Microsoft has provided some simple, yet extremely useful tools, to debug HDi. Toshiba also has modified hardware available for the authoring environment. Both greatly increase efficiency. I wish things paralleled on the BD side, specifically BDJ. The code debugging isn't all that bad, but testing the code in a player or emulator is a nightmare. Just today, I tried some pretty basic BDJ in 5 different scenarios. There was one software emulator, one software player, and 3 stand-alone players. One crashed completely; two only processed about half the code, not the same half; and two others handled the code correctly, but were slightly inconsistent. From an authoring standpoint, it's not good to say the least.

I never said the answer would be short or pretty.
post #3520 of 4841
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Originally Posted by benwaggoner View Post

...and I play HD .WMV files off DVD-R on my retail 360 all the time.

Ben,

I play HD wmv files on my 360 off DVD-R as well. I also stream the same files to the 360 through my MCE PC. I did find, however, that the same movie files when played off the discs don't play as smoothly as when streamed. For example, when a scene pans across the screen, the wmv file played off the disc stutters, but when streamed, it's perfectly smooth as it should be.

What could be causing this? I'm sure there's enough bandwidth reading from a DVD for HD wmv files.

Also, any chance on Microsoft offering native DVR-MS support to play them directly off discs on the 360?
post #3521 of 4841
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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

Actually Amir, one of the tactics such firms use is recruiting existing users who are well respected in the community with a long history within the web circle. So you get a mix of new sign ons who spam "BR FTW LOL!" endlessly and others who are knowledgable yet still being paid to promote while hiding their affiliation. While the spammers create a false sense of greater activity and demand, the veteran recruits massage the userbase into seeing things their way. This way they can cover both angles. The whole thing is based on deception and that's really my issue with it.

Didn't think of that angle. Shows you how much I know about running a program like this .
post #3522 of 4841
Amir,

Looking at this graph:
http://www.eproductwars.com/asinsale...sin=B000N6TX22

It looks like Amazon has been out of stock for "Children of Men" since 3/30/07 after receiving only a limited supply initially. Do you know if this is related to the playback issues, and when HD DVD owners can expect to see Amazon get more stock in? I believe Amazon has told several people 4-6 weeks. In addition, do you know if there will be a press release with regards to the playback issues?
post #3523 of 4841
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Originally Posted by IndifferentBozo View Post

Thanks for the response. To answer your question, Hydra it would have caught my attention no matter the name. They psychology of advertising/PR is facinating, particulaly the idea of viral marketing/advertising.

One clarification though, do you mean by what you stated above that (1) Hydra is just a standard marketing effort (in other words, advertising, etc), or that (2) this type of viral marketing (people posting in forums promoting a product without disclosing their affliation) is standard PR/Marketing?

Thanks

As sometimes happens on the forum, a bit of information has spun up into something more than it really is.

I did a bit of research and "Phase Hydra" is not the name of any project, but rather was just the title given to a presentation. There is no proposal in this presentation, nor any other promotions committee activity to use anonymous forum participants to promote Blu-ray.
post #3524 of 4841
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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

Actually Amir, one of the tactics such firms use is recruiting existing users who are well respected in the community with a long history within the web circle. So you get a mix of new sign ons who spam "BR FTW LOL!" endlessly and others who are knowledgable yet still being paid to promote while hiding their affiliation. While the spammers create a false sense of greater activity and demand, the veteran recruits massage the userbase into seeing things their way. This way they can cover both angles. The whole thing is based on deception and that's really my issue with it.

I know MS has done the same in the past with the Xbox and perhaps other divisions but I'm hoping, as you stated, HD DVD continues to use that "tell it all, tell it now!" approach going forward


From my experience (I work at a video game company that has a good relationship with MS), the "existing users" you are talking about are the Microsoft VIPs. This is not hidden or shifty or back-room. The program deals with "key influencers," bloggers, podcasters, and forum posters, and gives them hands-on time, etc. with new games. Just like they would with the press before games are released, etc. Other game companies do this as well, showing off their pre-release games at consumer events, etc. Nintendo sponsors a rock tour in the summers and has their games and systems there for people to try out and tell their friends about. Other parts of the Xbox community are Major Nelson (his blog and podcast) and the Gamerscore blog (parts of Microsoft), and they reach out to the community as MS spokespeople. The success and popularity of Major Nelson was probably the main reason Sony followed suit with Three Speech, a "semi-official" Sony blog.

This is "community" and getting the fans involved and letting them help spread the word about products. Everyone does it. Look at the movie sneak previews with free tickets so people go out and tell their friends and family how great the movie was.

This is in a sense "viral," but still very different from hiring people to say good things about your product without revealing the connection or the fact they are getting paid to post. Like employees of a subwoofer or speaker company posting good things anonymously about the company's products, or negative and/or FUD about an opposing company's product. That is wrong. I hope companies now realize that this is not the way to do things, and that they can be much more effective bringing in actual fans and working together with them.

For example, take the fake "all I want for Xmas is a PSP" blog, traced back to a marketing firm hired by Sony. Instead of coming up with fake fans, they could have come out and said they were Sony, and encouraged people to "do better" than the hokey rap video by submitting their own music/parody videos as a contest to win free PSPs, etc. Nintendo did this officially with a "How Wii Play" myspace page last year where users submitted their own "commercials" for the system.


Sorry for posting out of turn. I guess I'm sort of an insider as I work at a video game company, but I just wanted to say a few things about this issue for clarification.
post #3525 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Nox View Post

I play HD wmv files on my 360 off DVD-R as well. I also stream the same files to the 360 through my MCE PC. I did find, however, that the same movie files when played off the discs don't play as smoothly as when streamed. For example, when a scene pans across the screen, the wmv file played off the disc stutters, but when streamed, it's perfectly smooth as it should be.

What could be causing this? I'm sure there's enough bandwidth reading from a DVD for HD wmv files.

What's the peak rate? If the DVD-R wasn't a perfect burn, it might not play back at full speed, causing you to stutter during bitrate peaks

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Also, any chance on Microsoft offering native DVR-MS support to play them directly off discs on the 360?

Hmm. I didn't know that it didn't. I'll check.
post #3526 of 4841
Paid, Talk, etc.

Maybe it got lost in the XBox360 clinic , but could you take a look at my post from last week about BD Profiles this fall and beyond? Thanks.
post #3527 of 4841
It's always killer when Amir quotes you . The only sad part is that the quote is still 100% true 3 months later. BD-J is still an issue along different players. Finding a happy medium between them all is getting harder and harder as the interactivity gets more complex.
post #3528 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Jeff Williams View Post

Finding a happy medium between them all is getting harder and harder as the interactivity gets more complex.

Can you be specific?
post #3529 of 4841
AMIRM,

I was wondering is Microsoft going to provide us existing 360 owners with an HDMI cable for our premium or core systems? I would like to experience 1080p and lossless audio from my HD DVD add on.
post #3530 of 4841
Thx for the reply re Bad Boys II, PaidGeek.

I noticed word this week at the Bits that Sony is reissuing Starship Troopers on standard def. Might this be a harbinger of an imminent Klendathu attack (read: release of Troopers on BD), perhaps tied to the home vid release of Verhoeven's Black Book?
post #3531 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Are you asking if Toshiba could have wide enough data paths for PCM audio, why didn't we?

If so, the reason is that these are very different engines. In case of Toshiba, they have an A/V subsystem with dedicated processors for such task. The System on a Chip (SoC) on these machines decodes the audio with ready data path to a DAC or HDMI bridge for output. In other words, they are purpose built that way. The 360 is a general purpose computing platform and its data paths were designed differently.

Amir so basically did they even consider redesigning the elite to allow for 5.1 LPCM over HDMI?

Can you confirm whether 5.1 LPCM over HDMI is a hardware limitation on the Elite?

If the PS3 can accomplish being a great gaming platform and a HD playback device why can't the Elite, which I assume was designed after the PS3 accomplish this?

I don't even understand the business decision behind this, why release a new 360 elite without any major upgrades to allow for better optimal HD media disc playback for audio and video?

Is the expectation that Toshiba and whatever other Chinese manufactures are releasing players will carry the market for HD DVD? Why not take advantage of a gaming platform to advance adaptation of HD DVD?

The bottom line is if we are comparing playback of HD media discs on the PS3 vs. the 360 as is today, the 360 gets beat, wouldn't you agree? (I'll hold judgement on the Elite version, but on paper it's not changing much due to the lack of LPCM)

How is MS advancing HD DVD adaptation with the 360 elite?

It seems to me Microsoft is headed towards format neutral and codec specific for HD optical disc playback, is this the case?
post #3532 of 4841
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Originally Posted by bases1616 View Post

AMIRM,

I was wondering is Microsoft going to provide us existing 360 owners with an HDMI cable for our premium or core systems? I would like to experience 1080p and lossless audio from my HD DVD add on.

Unfortunately not. There is just no way to provide such a cable or we would have done that, instead of offering a new version of the machine. I am sorry about that.
post #3533 of 4841
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Originally Posted by John Haghighi View Post

Amir so basically did they even consider redesigning the elite to allow for 5.1 LPCM over HDMI?

Yes, we considered this. And I pushed hard. But it just wasn't within the constraints of the project.

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Can you confirm whether 5.1 LPCM over HDMI is a hardware limitation on the Elite?

Well, yes. Kind of . When you are modifying the box, you can of course modify anything including changing the CPU, etc. . But at some point, you draw the line and where the line was, did not allow for that many channels of uncompressed audio.

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If the PS3 can accomplish being a great gaming platform and a HD playback device why can't the Elite, which I assume was designed after the PS3 accomplish this?

Well, the 360 is a fantastic HD playback and gaming device. Don't let people make you think that you need lossless audio to get that experience. You have 1080p video and great sound to go with it. You have a choice of much lower cost consoles than PS3. And with Elite, you get a large hard disk which will do more for you in the form of digital downloads and such, than any incremental audio quality you may think you are missing. And do so at still lower prices than cheaper PS3.

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I don't even understand the business decision behind this, why release a new 360 elite without any major upgrades to allow for better optimal HD media disc playback for audio and video?

Because it is not better for 99% of the people out there who would use the machine. To use PCM over HDMI, you have to have an HDMI AVR. What percentage of the gamers have their 360 hooked up to an AVR to begin with, let alone have it sport HDMI? And of that percentage, how many of them think DTS/WMA-Pro at 1.5 mbit/sec is a suboptimal audio experience? You see where I am going with this?

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Is the expectation that Toshiba and whatever other Chinese manufactures are releasing players will carry the market for HD DVD? Why not take advantage of a gaming platform to advance adaptation of HD DVD?

Xbox 360 has done a wonderful job promoting and supporting HD DVD. It has superb a/v experience. No, we didn't design it to replace stand-alone devices. We looked at our target market and made decisions appropriately. For $199 you can add HD DVD playback to a console you already own. That is a value offering and support for HD formats which is unmatched by anyone.

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The bottom line is if we are comparing playback of HD media discs on the PS3 vs. the 360 as is today, the 360 gets beat, wouldn't you agree? (I'll hold judgement on the Elite version, but on paper it's not changing much due to the lack of LPCM)

Beat by what? If I played a lossless PCM track and a DTS at 1.5 mbit/sec, I assure you that most people could not tell the difference. Again, go and do a survey and see how many people think the audio on their DVD system is bad. You won't find many people.

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How is MS advancing HD DVD adaptation with the 360 elite?

By supporting HDMI, now we also have a digital video path. So to the extent we were successful before, we are even more successful now.

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It seems to me Microsoft is headed towards format neutral and codec specific for HD optical disc playback, is this the case?

Absolutely, positively not. Let me repeat that again: absolutely positively not . We are 1000% behind HD DVD. Let there be no doubt about that. PCM audio has nothing to do with the HD format choice anyway. We have always wanted our customers to have a choice here. If they don't have a need for HD optical, they can buy the base system. If they want HD DVD, then they can buy the option. If they want BD, well, there is something wrong with their thinking so we are not going to cater to that (just kidding! ).
post #3534 of 4841
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Originally Posted by paidgeek View Post

As sometimes happens on the forum, a bit of information has spun up into something more than it really is.

I did a bit of research and "Phase Hydra" is not the name of any project, but rather was just the title given to a presentation. There is no proposal in this presentation, nor any other promotions committee activity to use anonymous forum participants to promote Blu-ray.

Thanks very much for the response, its great to have insiders here on the forum to cut through the fog. Reading between the lines a bit and asking one last question just to wrap it up: is it true that that the presentation entitled Phase Hydra related to marketing blu ray, but did not relate to the use of forum participants to promote blu ray?

I don't mean to be redundant, but that's basically the gist of your responses, I think.
post #3535 of 4841
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Amir,

Looking at this graph:
http://www.eproductwars.com/asinsale...sin=B000N6TX22

It looks like Amazon has been out of stock for "Children of Men" since 3/30/07 after receiving only a limited supply initially. Do you know if this is related to the playback issues, and when HD DVD owners can expect to see Amazon get more stock in? I believe Amazon has told several people 4-6 weeks. In addition, do you know if there will be a press release with regards to the playback issues?

I have no personal knowledge one way or the other. I did however post the phone number for Universal to call in the thread within the HD DVD section. So people should feel free to call them there if they have problems with their discs.
post #3536 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Yes, we considered this. And I pushed hard. But it just wasn't within the constraints of the project.

It's good to hear you made an effort! So if discussions about another 360 hardware revision come up, can we assume you'll push for LPCM and maybe even HDMI 1.3?

It's great to have an advocate.
post #3537 of 4841
Now that all the "Elite" 360 questions are out of the way, I was hoping I could ask any Sony insiders a few quick questions:

1) Do any of you have any idea when the PS3 update for upscaling DVDs is expected? Also, there was much talk before the system's release of the ability to play Divx/Xvid files. Is this possibly coming in the near future?

2) How close are we to seeing "second-gen" 4x or 6x speed Blu-ray PC burners?

and

3) The new Sony receivers are starting to hit stores, and despite the advertising and earlier press release, the STR-DG710 model doesn't seem to actually accept LPCM 5.1 or 7.1 audio. It only is processing 2 channels. No one seems to have the 810 or 910 receiver, yet, so its unclear if the issue is exclusively with the 710. I don't have this model but reports are coming in to messageboards everywhere with people unable to get LPCM sound working despite all efforts.

Anyway, I understand if any of these can't be answered, but thanks for your time.
post #3538 of 4841
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Originally Posted by IndifferentBozo View Post

Thanks very much for the response, its great to have insiders here on the forum to cut through the fog. Reading between the lines a bit and asking one last question just to wrap it up: is it true that that the presentation entitled Phase Hydra related to marketing blu ray, but did not relate to the use of forum participants to promote blu ray?

I don't mean to be redundant, but that's basically the gist of your responses, I think.

Part of the presentation in question covers the importance of attending to all the communications on Blu-ray, including forums like this one. It does not recommend doing so anonymously. Others have participated here from Pioneer and possibly other BD companies in the past. Maybe they can be coerced into making occasional posts again.
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It's very disappointing that the new 360 won't support full PCM audio.

I assume it will pass through TrueHD and DTS-HD MA unmolested to the receiver over the HDMI connection, right?
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amirm: Have you seen Warners VC-1 transfer of "The Prestige"?
Should we expect it to be better than Disneys BD?
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