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Could anyone shed some light on the Windows CE 6.0 Broadcom SoC reference design? Will the system support playforsure or even act like a V2 Vista MCE extender?

That is an extra functionality which obviously possible to add easily once the OEM uses this platform. But it is really their option. We are not forcing them to do so.
post #422 of 4841
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Originally Posted by puddy77 View Post

I have a question for any insider regarding the new TL 51g HD DVD disc. Supposing that 1st and 2nd gen HD DVD players can actually read the disc (I would ask, but I assume nothing is definite until the spec is finalized), could a transfer initially made for Blu-ray be easily/cheaply ported over to HD DVD without a new transfer being made? And if so, can the 1st gen machines (X/A1 and 360) play a 5.1 PCM audio track?
Thanks for any info.

Answering the last part, yes. There are already Japanese concert titles with PCM tracks.

Answering the other part, I have to think about that a bit more as what HD DVD and BD allow for each stream allocation may still be different. But at high level, you are probably right.
post #423 of 4841
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Originally Posted by Capek View Post

Amir,

I know this was touched on back when it was first announced in mid November, but I can't remember if anybody directly asked this question. With Bandai Visual being included in the CES press release of studios that support HD-DVD, and with Bandai Visual announcing back in November that they would be using VC-1 for their HD-DVD release, hopefully you can answer these two questions I have. First, Bandai Visual is a Japanese company, so most likely their home country releases won't have english subs/dubs. Will "Bandai Visual USA, Inc.", its own wholly owned U.S. subsidiary, or "Bandai Entertainment", Bandai's North American distributive unit, be supporting HD-DVD by releasing content in the US? Do you know if any US releases, or at least releases containing english subs/dubs are in the works?

I know Bandai is very interested in US market for their titles, indeed more so than their home market where they already have a strong presence. But I don't know the specifics so let me find out and get back to you.

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Secondly, is Bandai Visual exclusively supporting HD-DVD?

As far as I know, they have not announced support for BD. Of course, we don't ask for exclusivity so they are free to publish in other formats. They are however, extremely interested in interactivity features of HD DVD including networking so that makes it hard for them to target BD.

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Thirdly, and I assume I know the answer to this one but figure I'll ask anyways, with the demonstration as CES of the networking capability of the HD-DVD format, is there any word that Bandai Visual is at the very least aware of the Additional Subtitle Stream support in the HD-DVD format, and if so, do you have any information you can divulge that they are considering employing that to provide additional subititles for their japanese only releases? I assume that last question is one WAY too obscure cookie jar for you to have you hand in it, but I figure it doesn't hurt to ask.

Thanks!

You are right. I don't understand the question. But they are going to take advantage of network features to download additional content to the machine after you buy the disc and other advanced community type scenarios which we showed at CES. Did this answer it?
post #424 of 4841
To any real insider on the HD DVD side:

Is it official that the A20 will support 1080p24 output as well as 1080p60? If not official, has Toshiba indicated that it will support 1080p24 when it ships outside of something official (and that you can repeat).

Also, Toshiba's press release listed all the different kinds of players (including the XBOX360 add-on) and then indicated that they estimated that there were more than 175,000 players sold total in North America. That doesn't seem to match up very well with some of the claims I've seen posted here that had higher numbers. If there were 70k first gen players sold and 100k XBOX360 add-ons, that doesn't leave much room for second gen player sales, even if there were 200k total for everything. Did Toshiba sell 60k second gen players in 2006, or was that total for all standalones in 2006? Did the HD DVD camp sell more than 220k total players in NA in 2006?

--Darin
post #425 of 4841
Amir,

Thanks for the prompt reply about the Pioneer.

Is there a transcript or public recording of the "and the winner is....." that you participated in earlier? If not, was there anything, that you feel interesting come out of that?

BTW, good work so far on the HD DVD. With the CE support side properly addressed, I believed cheap players to be the key for some time now, all that is left is the content. I'm sure that's being worked on as we speak
post #426 of 4841
Talk, there is too much stuff to discuss in this thread. I will comment a couple but the rest is probably best to other format discussion threads.

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Originally Posted by Talkstr8t View Post

But that also includes putting "HD DVD" on the box, in the manual, in the ads, etc. as well, no?

I don't know how they are going to do that. The logo is owned by DVD Forum and its use is governed by them. Again, I am not a lawyer and can not interpret all the rules of the forum. Suffice it to say, we didn't see companies building DVD players by leaving half the features out and put the logo on the box.

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While HD DVD may not have profiles, it does have optional features (seldom discussed), and should studios use any of them you'll have many consumers unable to make use of that content.

Well, everything the content owners create is being tested on the largest volume player: Toshiba and Xbox 360. So your point is not valid in practice, even if it were in theory (which it is not).

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Perhaps you're in for a surprise...

I would love a surprise. Everyone would then see the patchwork of BD implementations out there. But at least the customers wont' be surprised.

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For your sake, you'd better hope it doesn't do well, because if it does you'll have a bunch of non-compliant players in the market which may force studios to dumb down their titles to reach that audience.

You tell me. The box is retailing for $1,200. There are superb HD DVD players listing for $500 with more functionality and by the time this box comes out, it will also face stiff competition from new $599 A20 with 1080p support and such. Given all of this, you think the volume of installed base is made up of this Universal player or other brands? I think the answer is obvious. The people who buy this player are BD customers who are used to paying >$1,000 for a player and are worried about the format war so they opt for the LG to give them some comfort that it can play HD DVD, should BD falter somehow.

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I'm actually glad to hear this, because it will help push the studios on the Blu-ray side to similarly innovate.

Except that they can't because they are liable to get grief if they advertise features for a disc, that does not play on some players with no way for the user to know in advance, before purchasing said discs. What's more, this stuff is not easy. You can try to copy us be you also have to put in the engineering and software/service expertise behind which we both know is hard.

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From my standpoint anything which pushes the envelope on interactivity is a good thing.

Sometimes I wonder though as you downplay the stuff you can't do in BD. Really, we need to be on the same side of this equation and not cross purposes.

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Interesting statement, considering there may be all manner of grief which comes from packing the bits closer together.

You mean like what happened to BD? Come on now. They are going from 15 to 17 gigabytes per layer. That is not a big change. But if you know more about optical engineering than I, feel free to expand on what sort of grief you think they are going to get, which Toshiba engineers don't know about.

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Thanks again for responding head-on, and I hope you don't feel I'm being unnecessarily harsh in pointing out what I think are serious issues with the LG player for your format of choice. I'm sure you'll do the same should any Blu-ray news come out in the next few days which might have a similarly negative impact...

- Talk

I am not sure this post is harsh but my head is down reading the rest of the posts in the other threads. Really, I am used to industry people going to CES and getting business done. Did you really have that much free time to post here left and right? If so, you are going to have to go solo for the most part as we are busy to talk to a ton of people interested in HD DVD . And one more thing, if you think the show and panel discussions are going in your favor, then I think you have only attended your own press conference!
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Stupid question perhaps for Amir, or anyone else who may know, about the 51gb HD discs.

If they can squeeze 17gbs per layer out now does that mean they can easily spin DL titles out to 34gb? Would this be any harder than the current DL discs?
post #428 of 4841
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Originally Posted by BlackRiderX View Post

Stupid question perhaps for Amir, or anyone else who may know, about the 51gb HD discs.

If they can squeeze 17gbs per layer out now does that mean they can easily spin DL titles out to 34gb? Would this be any harder than the current DL discs?

That is a logical conclusion. Indeed, there is no requirement for all three layers to be used. One can use two layers and get 34 as you say.
post #429 of 4841
Thanks Amir! I figure if TL doesn't pass or has problems down the road an extra 4gbs is an extra 4gbs.
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Thank you so much Denass . On that note, it is 1:06am and I have to be up and ready to go to a bunch more meetings at 8:00am!!! So good night everyone...
post #431 of 4841
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I know Bandai is very interested in US market for their titles, indeed more so than their home market where they already have a strong presence. But I don't know the specifics so let me find out and get back to you.


As far as I know, they have not announced support for BD. Of course, we don't ask for exclusivity so they are free to publish in other formats. They are however, extremely interested in interactivity features of HD DVD including networking so that makes it hard for them to target BD.


You are right. I don't understand the question. But they are going to take advantage of network features to download additional content to the machine after you buy the disc and other advanced community type scenarios which we showed at CES. Did this answer it?

First, thank you very much for addressing my questions. It's great to hear your impression as to Bandai's feelings regarding releasing content on HD-DVD in the US. I saw a picture taken I think during the HD-DVD press conference that showed a shot of a Bandai anime title on the big screen, I don't know if it was a still shot or an actual video clip, but it looked like they were showing off a PiP implementation of a scene in a movie and the corresponding hand drawn story board. The Bandai logo was at the top of the screen, and the picture just brought a HUGE smile to my face, thinking about just what cool things they can do interactivity-wise. Needless to say I'm very excited about the subject, and I will look forward to any additional information you're able to share.

Lastly sorry for my unclear last question. I was refering to the aspect of HD-DVD networking spec that allows a player to access a server a studio would potentially set up, in order to download an additional subtitle stream that didn't exist on the disk. This is something I have asked you about in the past, but of course only the studios would know whether they'll be setting up servers and providing subtitles for this purpose in the future. But I was wondering, with the focus that seems to have been put on showing off the networking functionality of the HD-DVD format at CES -- and if Bandai was planning on releasing some HD-DVD content only in Japan (which would most likely mean no english subs/dub on the disk) -- if you had any knowledge of Bandai's level of awareness/interest in setting up a server to provide english subtitles for their Japanese language only HD-DVD releases?

Thank you again for taking the time to review my post and respond.

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Oh, I let someone else do that .

But this was a real honor, winning an Emmy award for Windows Media in streaming architecture. As most of you know, the heart of Windows Media is Windows Media Video which is the same codec as VC-1. So for those of you who are a fan of VC-1, this is an award for you as much as it is for us.

This was the third Emmy award that I had gotten over the years for the products that I have managed but it was the most special as we got recognition from the traditional judges for new ways of delivery content.

Microsoft also won a second Emmy for DirtectX 10.

Hey! A three time Emmy award winner huh? Cool! I think you should add that to your sig:

Amir
Microsoft
HD DVD insider
Three time Emmy award winner
VC-1 insider in BD/HD DVD
Ask me questions about HD DVD here

I think that'd be real cool. Nothing wrong with tooting your own horn a little.
post #432 of 4841
Amir,

Under the assumption the proposed TL51 spec is accepted as is, are the first generation players physically capable or supporting it? In other words, would all that would be required is a firmware update and we're good to go? Or are the drives not spec'ed out to support 1.5x and we're SOL, or are we SOL for another reason?

Thank you.

PS: Congrats on the award -- well deserved!
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I've seen no indication that anyone other than Lionsgate is pursuing this method of providing a PiP user experience.
Unlikely if they're using secondary video.

I have no idea whether your observation that most of the movies are short is statistically correct. Nonetheless, I've seen nor heard no evidence suggesting there is a concerted effort to avoid releasing longer movies (there clearly are some, like Kingdom of Heaven).

For clarification I do know that past BD50 movies were longer length movies but my question was directed at announced titles coming out soon and whether or not these new interactive features are taking up so much space that they are causing the movies to be shorter in length?

My observations may be incorrect but it now seems that announced titles in BD50 are getting shorter in length compared to as you pointed out previous movies such as Kingdom of Heaven that is marked as 191 minutes long on highdefdigest without any interactivity such as PIP type features.

According to highdefdigest in the list of titles coming out soon there are 13 titles that have announced specs of being on a BD50 disc and as you can see 10 out of the 13 titles are all under 2 hours in length.

1 --- Crank --- 87 minutes
2 --- Saw II --- 92 minutes
3 --- Resident Evil: Apocalypse --- 94 minutes
4 --- Layer Cake --- 105 minutes
5 --- Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy --- 109 minutes
6 --- Casanova --- 111 minutes
7 --- Mr. & Mrs. Smith --- 112 minutes
8 --- Chicago --- 113 minutes
9 --- Ladder 49 --- 115 minutes
10 --- Glory --- 118 minutes
11 --- The Prestige --- 128 minutes
12 --- The Guardian --- 136 minutes
13 --- Flyboys --- 140 minutes
post #434 of 4841
@paidgeek:

now that sony has announced some of its upcoming 2007 releases, are there ay exciting details you can share with us regarding audio and/or extras that will be included?

tia
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That is a logical conclusion. Indeed, there is no requirement for all three layers to be used. One can use two layers and get 34 as you say.

I'm guessing support for the HD-DVD51 media is all or nothing? That is, if first-generation players can't support the full 51Gb, then there's no chance of them supporting 17Gb or 34Gb?

If the new spec isn't compatible with first-generation players, could a studio produce a double-sided disk with 34-50Gb on one side and a backward-compatible 15-30Gb on the other?
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@both sides:

is the 1394 connector dead for these new formats? do you know of anyone that might be offering such a solution for delivering audio to a receiver?
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I'm guessing support for the HD-DVD51 media is all or nothing? That is, if first-generation players can't support the full 51Gb, then there's no chance of them supporting 17Gb or 34Gb?

I don't know the answer, but I wouldn't assume it wouldn't work. Certainly Audio CD was upgraded with higher density a couple of time while maintaining backwards compatibility.

We'll have to wait for the results of testing.
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Can someone who understands what signal the 360 HD DVD is outputting tell me if viewing it on Sony's new XBR x.v.Color will look any different (i.e. more colors, less banding, less motion blur)? I don't really understand what Sony's x.v.Color is, I think HDMI 1.3 but not sure.

Or is the 360 just not capable (yet) of putting out a higher quality signal that the Sony x.v.Color set would need in order to look any better than the standard 46" XBR3.

The reason I ask - trying to decide to buy a 46" XBR3 now, or perhaps wait until Sony releases a newer 46" XBR3 set with x.v.Color. I just don't know if I would need a newer HD DVD in order to take advantage of what the x.v.Color offers.

Thanks.

Hey - also - anyone would have an idea of what adding x.v.Color to a 46" XBR3 would do to the price of the set, I would like to know. Does that type of technology maybe add a few hundred to the cost, or do you think it would double the cost from like $3500 now to $7000.

I just don't understand the tech - thanks for helping.
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Lastly sorry for my unclear last question. I was refering to the aspect of HD-DVD networking spec that allows a player to access a server a studio would potentially set up, in order to download an additional subtitle stream that didn't exist on the disk. This is something I have asked you about in the past, but of course only the studios would know whether they'll be setting up servers and providing subtitles for this purpose in the future. But I was wondering, with the focus that seems to have been put on showing off the networking functionality of the HD-DVD format at CES -- and if Bandai was planning on releasing some HD-DVD content only in Japan (which would most likely mean no english subs/dub on the disk) -- if you had any knowledge of Bandai's level of awareness/interest in setting up a server to provide english subtitles for their Japanese language only HD-DVD releases?

Ah, that is more clear. As I mentioned, they plan on providing network services for their titles. So once there (for digital downloads) then providing subtitles should be pretty easy. And as you know, HDi menus are dynamic so once the download happens, the new subtitles would nicely show up in the menus for the menus as if it was always there.

But let me find out if they are planning on providing this exact feature.


Hey! A three time Emmy award winner huh? Cool! I think you should add that to your sig:[/quote]
Thanks! That was well done .
post #440 of 4841
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Originally Posted by sknight1 View Post

Amir,

Under the assumption the proposed TL51 spec is accepted as is, are the first generation players physically capable or supporting it? In other words, would all that would be required is a firmware update and we're good to go? Or are the drives not spec'ed out to support 1.5x and we're SOL, or are we SOL for another reason?

Thank you.

I think we should wait to see the proposal to the forum and then go from there. It is hard to answer such questions without due process for the specification.

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PS: Congrats on the award -- well deserved!

Thank you so much.
post #441 of 4841
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I'm guessing support for the HD-DVD51 media is all or nothing? That is, if first-generation players can't support the full 51Gb, then there's no chance of them supporting 17Gb or 34Gb?

That is a good question. I would think that providing compatibility with the slightly denser pits will be easier than reading a third layer but I am just guessing. We should wait to see the full spec and then go from there.

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If the new spec isn't compatible with first-generation players, could a studio produce a double-sided disk with 34-50Gb on one side and a backward-compatible 15-30Gb on the other?

Boy, you guys should come and work for Toshiba with these creative ideas . But yes, I see no reason why double sided discs are not possible this way but they would obviously be somewhat more difficult/expensive than just using a blank on the other side.
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@both sides:

is the 1394 connector dead for these new formats? do you know of anyone that might be offering such a solution for delivering audio to a receiver?

1394 is disappearing rapidly from what I can see. This is a trend that has been going on for a while I am afriad. But I don't closely watch this area so maybe someone else has a better prespective.

The trend is now to decode everything in the player and send ready to display/amplify content to the receiver. So the concept of compressed transmission over 1394 is no longer in vogue.
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Amir wrote:

I think I speak for many here at AVS and videophiles everywhere when I offer you a heart-felt- "Congratulations!"


Thank you so much David. Much appreciated.
post #444 of 4841
I second that Congrats Amir on your accomplishments
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Looking forward, which medium would ultimately be cheaper for blank recordable disks? Both on a per disk basis and per MB. Are there any inherent licensing fees that would create a large disparity between the two?
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Was TL45 ever formally submitted to the DVD Forum?
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Was TL45 ever formally submitted to the DVD Forum?

As far as I know, no.
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Ah, that is more clear. As I mentioned, they plan on providing network services for their titles. So once there (for digital downloads) then providing subtitles should be pretty easy. And as you know, HDi menus are dynamic so once the download happens, the new subtitles would nicely show up in the menus for the menus as if it was always there.

No, I never really had a picture in my head of how that would work. But that sounds very cool. Just like how it should be. You guys thought of everything with HDi.
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AFAIK, TL45 only gives more storage where as TL51 seems to be 1.5X and so increase also throughput to (I bet) someting around 50mb/s...

--Patrice (not insider at all)
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AFAIK, TL45 only gives more storage where as TL51 seems to be 1.5X and so increase also throughput to (I bet) someting around 50mb/s...

--Patrice (no insider at all)

Asked as a question:

Does the TL51 add throughput? (I doubt it).

- Rich
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