Noticed that R-Type is going for 800 points as opposed to other TG-16 games at 600. I can only imagine that this is in response to the popularity of TG-16 games on the VC. Any price increase is a disturbing trend as I think all VC games (except maybe Mario 64) are overpriced. $8 for the SNES version of the original Street Fighter 2 when Microsoft is offering the arcade version of the Hyper Fighting Edition with online play for only $2 more (also overpriced but a better value), utterly ridiculous.
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i'm sure the VC pricing is something they are still playing with, just as MS is still playing with pricing on Marketplace, and Valve is even still fiddling with pricing on Steam after all these years. it's still a relatively new market, one price oddity is hardly a trend here. regardless, i'll buy a game based on the game, not release system or price. $10 for Mario 64 is worth it to me. $5 for Zelda was also worth it. i haven't grabbed anything else yet since the games so far are mostly bleh. once i find another Wii Points card, i'll pick up Castlevania 4 as that game is pimp, and i dont even know how much it is right now.
chances are, we'll see some games come out that will be cheaper than their brothers on the same system. maybe that will get people like me to buy more games, since "eh, it's only $2. might as well try it". it's still experimentation time for Nintendo.
chances are, we'll see some games come out that will be cheaper than their brothers on the same system. maybe that will get people like me to buy more games, since "eh, it's only $2. might as well try it". it's still experimentation time for Nintendo.
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12/28/06 at 6:18am
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Noticed that R-Type is going for 800 points as opposed to other TG-16 games at 600. I can only imagine that this is in response to the popularity of TG-16 games on the VC. Any price increase is a disturbing trend as I think all VC games (except maybe Mario 64) are overpriced. $8 for the SNES version of the original Street Fighter 2 when Microsoft is offering the arcade version of the Hyper Fighting Edition with online play for only $2 more (also overpriced but a better value), utterly ridiculous.

Noticed that R-Type is going for 800 points as opposed to other TG-16 games at 600. I can only imagine that this is in response to the popularity of TG-16 games on the VC. Any price increase is a disturbing trend as I think all VC games (except maybe Mario 64) are overpriced. $8 for the SNES version of the original Street Fighter 2 when Microsoft is offering the arcade version of the Hyper Fighting Edition with online play for only $2 more (also overpriced but a better value), utterly ridiculous.
Wow, thanks for the heads-up. I didn't even notice the price increase and was considering buying the game since it's a TG-X game and therefore "is" only 600 points!
I think the VC pricing is fine for favorite games, but how many of those is someone going to have? R-Type looks interesting, but I've never played it. I don't have any interest in taking a chance on the game for $8. I think it's going to come down to a situation where Nintendo's going to have to decide between the following:
Sell 100,000 copies of a game for $8
or
Sell 500,000 copies of a game for $4
I'm definitely going to buy Castlevania 4 since it's one of my favorite SNES games, but how many others will say the same?
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12/28/06 at 10:00am
I doubt this is a general increase.
In Japan, R-Type was initially released as two games -- the first contained levels 1-4 and the second 5-8. They simply weren't able to fit the game on a single Hu-Card. Remember, R-Type for TG-16 was nearly identical to the original arcade game -- a rarity at that time (most home ports were lower quality) -- and was thus larger than what was the norm.
By the time the US release happened, they apparently figured out how to fit it onto a single Hu-Card and it was released as a single game.
I bet the higher price for the US R-Type is related to the fact that a Japanese VC release would consist of two fully seperate downloads that would each cost the base PC-Engine (TG-16) price. $8 is still a deal compared to $12.
Concerning price in general, I really think Nintendo needs to stop this system pricing approach and move towards a game popularity/quality approach. There are some games I would easily pay $20-40 for, since they are better in my opinion than all current and most likely future games which cost $40+ (Chrono Trigger on the SNES comes to mind; for which the SNES cart still sells for $30+ on Ebay). Heck, I would have paid $10 easy for Gunstar Heros. On the other hand, there are tons of games I wouldn't pay more than $1-3 for (pretty much every NES and SNES game on the VC right now besides SMB and Castlevania 4). Here's hoping Nintendo either ups the quality or lowers the prices (or both) in the near future.
In Japan, R-Type was initially released as two games -- the first contained levels 1-4 and the second 5-8. They simply weren't able to fit the game on a single Hu-Card. Remember, R-Type for TG-16 was nearly identical to the original arcade game -- a rarity at that time (most home ports were lower quality) -- and was thus larger than what was the norm.
By the time the US release happened, they apparently figured out how to fit it onto a single Hu-Card and it was released as a single game.
I bet the higher price for the US R-Type is related to the fact that a Japanese VC release would consist of two fully seperate downloads that would each cost the base PC-Engine (TG-16) price. $8 is still a deal compared to $12.
Concerning price in general, I really think Nintendo needs to stop this system pricing approach and move towards a game popularity/quality approach. There are some games I would easily pay $20-40 for, since they are better in my opinion than all current and most likely future games which cost $40+ (Chrono Trigger on the SNES comes to mind; for which the SNES cart still sells for $30+ on Ebay). Heck, I would have paid $10 easy for Gunstar Heros. On the other hand, there are tons of games I wouldn't pay more than $1-3 for (pretty much every NES and SNES game on the VC right now besides SMB and Castlevania 4). Here's hoping Nintendo either ups the quality or lowers the prices (or both) in the near future.
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there are tons of games I wouldn't pay more than $1-3 for (pretty much every NES and SNES game on the VC right now besides SMB and Castlevania 4).
there are tons of games I wouldn't pay more than $1-3 for (pretty much every NES and SNES game on the VC right now besides SMB and Castlevania 4).
I worked at a game store back in the early to mid 90s and we couldn't sell a copy of SMB for 99 cents. Everybody had the game because it came with the NES, and everybody wanted to sell it with their NES. Now it's worth $5? I'm sure the carts are still collecting dust in many places unless they've been destroyed.
I loved R-Type back in the day on the Sega Master System and the TG-16. I would probably pay $5, might be able to justify $6, but $8 is too high.
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12/28/06 at 4:54pm
$8 sounds high? I guess it's all perspective - you could blow $8 on two movie rentals that you don't know anything about, or spend $8 and know what you're getting. With the movies, it's a rent and return. The games are keepers.
$8 is like 6 cups of coffee. I could give up six cups of coffee for a game.
Just my opinion, but $8 is relatively cheap comared to other stuff we willingly spend our money on.
Once Blaster Master is on VC, I'll pick up a Wii just for that...and R-Type.
$8 is like 6 cups of coffee. I could give up six cups of coffee for a game.
Just my opinion, but $8 is relatively cheap comared to other stuff we willingly spend our money on.
Once Blaster Master is on VC, I'll pick up a Wii just for that...and R-Type.
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12/28/06 at 6:57pm
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I worked at a game store back in the early to mid 90s and we couldn't sell a copy of SMB for 99 cents. Everybody had the game because it came with the NES, and everybody wanted to sell it with their NES. Now it's worth $5? I'm sure the carts are still collecting dust in many places unless they've been destroyed.

I worked at a game store back in the early to mid 90s and we couldn't sell a copy of SMB for 99 cents. Everybody had the game because it came with the NES, and everybody wanted to sell it with their NES. Now it's worth $5? I'm sure the carts are still collecting dust in many places unless they've been destroyed.
I have yet to purchase SMB at $5 since I'm looking to find the Gameboy Color re-release that came out a few years back (with a ton of extra features and competition modes) which will play happily "on the big screen" in 480p via my Gamecube's Gameboy Player -- just like how I won't buy VC editions of Mario 2 through World or Link to the Past given that I own all GBA re-releases and play them via my GC.
All things considered though, $5 isn't asking too much given that you get 480p output, save/restore support, and the ability to use vastly superior controllers (classic or GC) above and beyond the original NES freebie. Had I not already been using my GC as a "virtual console" through GBA re-releases, Sonic Mega Collection, and the Zelda Collector's Edition the past 2 years, the VC would be pretty attractive to me. Thus far, it's just been Bomberman, Gunstar, and Castlevania 4.
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$8 sounds high? I guess it's all perspective - you could blow $8 on two movie rentals that you don't know anything about, or spend $8 and know what you're getting. With the movies, it's a rent and return. The games are keepers.
$8 is like 6 cups of coffee. I could give up six cups of coffee for a game.
Just my opinion, but $8 is relatively cheap comared to other stuff we willingly spend our money on.
$8 is like 6 cups of coffee. I could give up six cups of coffee for a game.
Just my opinion, but $8 is relatively cheap comared to other stuff we willingly spend our money on.
Wow, I'd never pay $4 for a movie rental. Good thing I use Netflix, but my local grocery store has a vending machine that spits out the latest DVDs for $1.50 including tax (have yet to try it since I use Netflix), so I could rent 5 movies for the same price as a nearly 20 year old game.
I don't drink coffee either, usually just barley tea, 52 bags for $4 and each bag makes about a gallon.
The only VC game that I've thought was worth the money was Mario 64, and I bought that. But compared to other ways to get classic games the VC is overpriced. Consider the Street Fighter 2 example sited in my first post. Not good enough? How about Sonic the Hedgehog?
Sonic on VC $8 - 1 Game
Sonic Mega Collection Plus on PS2 $20 - 7 Games
Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic Spinball
Sonic 3D Blast
Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
If each title were available individually on the VC it would cost you $56, almost 3x the price!!!
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12/29/06 at 2:03pm
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It still seems silly to me to price based on system/age.
Games clearly haven't improved with each generation. There's a reason all the various "Top 100 Games" list tend to include a ton of games from N64/PS era and back; and it's not just nostalgia.
If I went to Amazon right now and started looking to buy a new CD, music from the 60s would end up costing me around the same as music from this year. A DVD of Wizard of Oz (1939) would cost me the same as a DVD of LOTR: Return of the King (2003). Consumer products, cars, etc get better over time and therefore depreciate in value. Entertainment (in all forms: music, movies, games) tends to be timeless and stay relatively consistent in price.
Games that have lost their fun over the years (or were terrible to begin with) really should be dirt cheap -- or better, not even available on the VC. Games which are some of the best ever made should be priced accordingly. The problem is less about price in my mind and about quality. The VC titles thus far (in the US, atleast) are pretty lackluster. There's something like 4 "top 100 games" lists online, and 2 or 3 from print magazines -- Nintendo really just needs to read these and start releasing games appropriately. Unfortunately, they're probably already doing this but waiting to release the games during the normal summer "no new game" drought.
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Games clearly haven't improved with each generation.
Games clearly haven't improved with each generation.
No, but there have been amazing advancements in the way that games are designed and played due to the power compared to those old systems. Some old games are still classics, but gamers wouldn't pay $50 for them today.
I find your Wizard of Oz comment rather an interesting comparison since it is one of the few color films from its age (everyone knows Oz and Gone With the Wind, but how many people on the street could name a B&W film from 1939). If Oz were a B&W film it wouldn't sell nearly as well as it does, but it would still be the same great film. The general public shuns B&W films for the most part because they're so used to color, and so a lot of those films sell for very cheap.
I think video games fall in a middle category between things that depreciate and things that don't. They certainly lose value with age, I don't see anyone paying top dollar for Atari cartridges whether they were great games or not, but they do still retain an entertainment value. I find that entertainment value to be rather limited for most classic games though, I rarely go back and complete an old game.
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Games which are some of the best ever made should be priced accordingly.
Games which are some of the best ever made should be priced accordingly.
I did say I was willing to play double those amounts for the best games.
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Wow, thanks for the heads-up. I didn't even notice the price increase and was considering buying the game since it's a TG-X game and therefore "is" only 600 points!
I think the VC pricing is fine for favorite games, but how many of those is someone going to have? R-Type looks interesting, but I've never played it. I don't have any interest in taking a chance on the game for $8. I think it's going to come down to a situation where Nintendo's going to have to decide between the following:
Sell 100,000 copies of a game for $8
or
Sell 500,000 copies of a game for $4
I'm definitely going to buy Castlevania 4 since it's one of my favorite SNES games, but how many others will say the same?

Wow, thanks for the heads-up. I didn't even notice the price increase and was considering buying the game since it's a TG-X game and therefore "is" only 600 points!
I think the VC pricing is fine for favorite games, but how many of those is someone going to have? R-Type looks interesting, but I've never played it. I don't have any interest in taking a chance on the game for $8. I think it's going to come down to a situation where Nintendo's going to have to decide between the following:
Sell 100,000 copies of a game for $8
or
Sell 500,000 copies of a game for $4
I'm definitely going to buy Castlevania 4 since it's one of my favorite SNES games, but how many others will say the same?
Dude Rtype totally rocks! Best shooter ever!
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1/1/07 at 1:25am
Though R-Type is a great game, I'd personally take Gaiares, M.U.S.H.A., Thunder Force III, Target Earth, Radiant Silvergun, Ikaruga and Gradius III over R-Type.
I forgot how flush with classic shooters the Genesis was. I played so much Thunder Force III I could beat it with a single life without taking a hit.
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Not to mention Zero Wing - which is a darn decent shooter, even though it's famous only for the introduction.
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1/3/07 at 3:40pm
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You know... I agree with you. The prices "should be" lower and they'd guarantee virtually everyone would buy more VC games; but, Nintendo would have to be crazy to do so considering the volume of sales they are racking up. This is exactly why they continue to make a profit in an industry that has trouble doing so.
Don't worry, I have a feeling we'll be seeing a "Player's Choice" pricing for older VC titles as newer titles are added. That way they can charge "full price" for recently released VC games and discount older titles.
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The prices "should be" lower and they'd guarantee virtually everyone would buy more VC games; but, Nintendo would have to be crazy to do so considering the volume of sales they are racking up.
The prices "should be" lower and they'd guarantee virtually everyone would buy more VC games; but, Nintendo would have to be crazy to do so considering the volume of sales they are racking up.
The volume of sales would be much higher at lower prices. Even half the price they are charging now. I own 1 VC game (Mario 64), and have no plans to buy any other titles unless they offer a deal. Here are games I would buy at lower prices:
R-Type
Military Madness
Super Castlevania IV
Zelda (would buy for .99, I already have it on GC but playing with that D-Pad sucks)
Gunstar Heroes
Bomberman '93
Alien Crush
Super Star Soldier
That's just out of the titles released so far. That's $24 (assuming half price on all games but Zelda (100 points) and R-Type (300 points)) that I would be willing to spend, whereas I'm not going to spend $53 so they get $0 from me.
I hope you're right about the Player's Choice pricing, I'd be up for that. At the prices I outlined I would likely own every VC game, unless it's something I thought was total crap.
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