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post #61 of 131
1/17/07 at 3:45pm
If you have benefits from using Components Inputs and Widescreen Siganaling, the only device that can provide you with both of these is the Video Filter.

The Video Filter allows you to set the CGMS and WSS flags. Meaning that you have total contol of the recording process.
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post #62 of 131
1/17/07 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

I'm with TWC and my 8300 is running Passport. Set your 8300 to the following:

Aspect ratio - 16x9
Output- 480i

That's it.

You should get full widescreen recordings via component to the Polaroid. If you are using HDMI to your television the component will be disabled. If because of this you are using s-video out of the 8300 to the Polaroid you will get the letterboxing. No adjustment will fix this.

I am using component for the same reason you do. (Thought about pulling the cover to see if the dual output can be enabled by killing a microswitch ).

I remember Passport from when I had TWC. Everest uses something else but I don't remember what. There is a dual key combo you press during startup that gets mine (8300) to a config screen. Under it, the user picks/excludes available resolutions vs getting straight passthru. Expected options include 1080i, 720p, 480i wide, and 480i std. Of course, by default, everything but 480i std goes to 16x9 format.

-Gregg

Now if I can just figure out how to shut off the screen saver!
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post #63 of 131
1/17/07 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by Logic Design View Post

If you have benefits from using Components Inputs and Widescreen Siganaling, the only device that can provide you with both of these is the Video Filter.

The Video Filter allows you to set the CGMS and WSS flags. Meaning that you have total contol of the recording process.

Is the "Video Filter" an analog device that's placed in the component path? And, is it something that adds these flags? Is it expensive?

What's CGMS?
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post #64 of 131
1/17/07 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by GreggPenn View Post

Is the "Video Filter" an analog device that's placed in the component path? And, is it something that adds these flags? Is it expensive?

What's CGMS?

CGMS - copy protection. "Copy once" "copy never" flags are included.

The Logic Design filter runs about $150.
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post #65 of 131
1/17/07 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by Logic Design View Post

If you have benefits from using Components Inputs and Widescreen Siganaling, the only device that can provide you with both of these is the Video Filter.

The Video Filter allows you to set the CGMS and WSS flags. Meaning that you have total contol of the recording process.

I thought the Grex offers a product similar to yours? If not then what is the difference?
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post #66 of 131
1/17/07 at 6:34pm
The Grex just strips out all such flags as far as I know. The Video Filter allows complete control of the values of the flags, useful for turning on the WSS flag when the source does not provide it (for example).
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post #67 of 131
1/20/07 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Beaumaloe View Post

I'm pretty sure this model does NOT have a component input. At least it says it doesn't on Best Buy website and on Cnet. It does have HMDI out though.


Just inspected one at BestBuy. Not documented on the Philips spec sheet, but definitely on the machine and shown in the manual.
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post #68 of 131
1/21/07 at 4:34pm
I was looking at one of these today. Although the manual does not mention the fact that it does have a component input it sure does have one. Can you please tell me why you brought it back? I am assuming that this recorder will record in 16:9 format if I use the component input. Anyone here have any information they care to share about the DVDR3400???
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post #69 of 131
1/28/07 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by Honestguy View Post

I was looking at one of these today. Although the manual does not mention the fact that it does have a component input it sure does have one. Can you please tell me why you brought it back? I am assuming that this recorder will record in 16:9 format if I use the component input. Anyone here have any information they care to share about the DVDR3400???


I also would like to know some stuff on this Philips 3400 DVDR

1) I have HEARD that when HDMI is hooked to your TV then the Digital Coaxial and Optical outputs to your AV receiver are disabled! If true then this may be a deal breaker. I don't have a HDMI receiver but would like to use the HDMI video input to my TV but HAVE to have DD and DTS sound to my AV receiver for DVD watching.

2) The HDMI is not upconverting.

3) Which records better- the Component or S Video inputs?

4) Somewhere else I read where this machine messed up recording via its Front Firewire port from a Camcorder but there is a software update to fix this. Is this true.

I just bought this machine but its a pain in the butt to hook up to my system and if it has some of the above problems I would rather take it back before spending a ton of time with it!
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post #70 of 131
2/22/07 at 3:41pm
Of these units, does anyone have an opinion on which unit(s) are better than the Polaroid?

If so, why.
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post #71 of 131
2/22/07 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by GreggPenn View Post

Of these units, does anyone have an opinion on which unit(s) are better than the Polaroid?

If so, why.

None of the ones listed have HDD's. The Polaroid is the only one in the current list with an HDD. Although if you follow the Polaroid thread you'll notice a discussion on another HDD recorder with component inputs with an RjTech label. It looks like a Polaroid clone. Or the Polaroid is an RjTech clone. Who knows.
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post #72 of 131
2/23/07 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

None of the ones listed have HDD's. The Polaroid is the only one in the current list with an HDD. Although if you follow the Polaroid thread you'll notice a discussion on another HDD recorder with component inputs with an RjTech label. It looks like a Polaroid clone. Or the Polaroid is an RjTech clone. Who knows.

Having a HDD is very valuable! That's a great piece of info. I did read most of the Polaroid thread over a few days, but probably didn't absorb it all. The main points came from your post that led me to pop the top and see how nicely they made the Polaroid. I'm not professing its quality, but it sure it modular! I can see how easily the fan, OD, and HDD can be replaced. With the rest of the unit being two circuit boards, it's tempting to view this as an entry level DVDR (PC case) ready for expansion. And, it even comes with and OD and HDD to boot!

As posted in the Polaroid thread, unit 2 failed and will be returned. Under 90 days, I might as well start with a new one, vs paying for new parts now.... Though frustrated, I'm still not discouraged!

Thanks Nextoo....
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post #73 of 131
3/7/07 at 3:41pm
Wouldn't it just be wonderful to have a unit that...
1. Recored DVDs
2. w/HDD
3. w/Component input for widescreen recordings
4. w/HDMI output for upconversion to HDTV!

*smile*

Just a thought.
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post #74 of 131
4/11/07 at 5:07pm
Right now I've got a Samsung DVD-VR330 combo recorder unit. I use it to record material I've already stored on the DVR in my Motorola (Comcast) DCT6412 III. For recording DVDs, I've got the s-video output from the 6412 (480i out according to Wiki) hooked up to the s-video input on the VR330 (no component video input). When I view these DVDs on my Samsung HL-S5086W (720p/1080i), they are pillar boxed 4x3 rather than wide screen. According to what I've read here, I thinks that's exactly what's supposed to occur.

The 6412 is connected to HDTV via an AVR using HDMI all the way so when I set up the 6412 I selected HDMI output as 1080i.

Question: Does the DCT6412 III put out 16x9 480i from the component video jacks?

If it does, then having read this thread, I'm thinking that I can record wide screen (16x9) format video from the DVR (not true HD, of course) onto DVDs if I use a DVDR with component video input AND view these DVDs in 16x9 (rather than 4x3 pillar boxed) format.

Question: Is this correct? If not what am I missing?
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post #75 of 131
4/12/07 at 8:31am
^^^
I successfully recorded wide 16:9 material using composite connection: source - Dish ViP 622, recorder - Sony GX315. I also recorded the same material using Philips 3400 and component connection. Sony produces better PQ. Search my posts in this forum, there are just a few of them.
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post #76 of 131
4/12/07 at 11:09am
Anybody?

Right now I've got a Samsung DVD-VR330 combo recorder unit. I use it to record material I've already stored on the DVR in my Motorola (Comcast) DCT6412 III. For recording DVDs, I've got the s-video output from the 6412 (480i out according to Wiki) hooked up to the s-video input on the VR330 (no component video input). When I view these DVDs on my Samsung HL-S5086W (720p/1080i), they are pillar boxed 4x3 rather than wide screen. According to what I've read here, I thinks that's exactly what's supposed to occur.

The 6412 is connected to HDTV via an AVR using HDMI all the way so when I set up the 6412 I selected HDMI output as 1080i.

Question: Does the DCT6412 III put out 16x9 480i from the component video jacks?

If it does, then having read this thread, I'm thinking that I can record wide screen (16x9) format video from the DVR (not true HD, of course) onto DVDs if I use a DVDR with component video input AND view these DVDs in 16x9 (rather than 4x3 pillar boxed) format.

Question: Is this correct? If not what am I missing?
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post #77 of 131
4/12/07 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by samsurd2 View Post

Anybody?

My previous post is explicitly addressed to you.
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post #78 of 131
4/12/07 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by ptsenter View Post

My previous post is explicitly addressed to you.

Thanks, and my apology for not recognizing that. It's just that my first question was specifically in regard to how the Motorola DCT6412 III operates and so I was looking for a response in that context.
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post #79 of 131
4/12/07 at 1:48pm
^^^
I don't have an experience with a particular device, but mine could be useful for you anyway.
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post #80 of 131
4/12/07 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by samsurd2 View Post

Right now I've got a Samsung DVD-VR330 combo recorder unit. I use it to record material I've already stored on the DVR in my Motorola (Comcast) DCT6412 III. For recording DVDs, I've got the s-video output from the 6412 (480i out according to Wiki) hooked up to the s-video input on the VR330 (no component video input). When I view these DVDs on my Samsung HL-S5086W (720p/1080i), they are pillar boxed 4x3 rather than wide screen. According to what I've read here, I thinks that's exactly what's supposed to occur.

The 6412 is connected to HDTV via an AVR using HDMI all the way so when I set up the 6412 I selected HDMI output as 1080i.

Question: Does the DCT6412 III put out 16x9 480i from the component video jacks?

If it does, then having read this thread, I'm thinking that I can record wide screen (16x9) format video from the DVR (not true HD, of course) onto DVDs if I use a DVDR with component video input AND view these DVDs in 16x9 (rather than 4x3 pillar boxed) format.

Question: Is this correct? If not what am I missing?

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Originally Posted by ptsenter View Post

^^^
I don't have an experience with a particular device, but mine could be useful for you anyway.

Between my last post and yours, I took your advice and read your posts in this forum. It was informative and, in fact, sent me back to the manuals for my recorder (Samsung DVD-VR330) and player (upconverting Sony DVP-NC85H). I checked to see whether either had the choice of "AUTO" (in addition to 16:9, Letterbox and Pan & Scan) in their video set-up menus since one of your posts said that produced the desired result with your gear. No joy, but thanks for your response.

Now, perhaps someone with the DCT6412 III will be as helpful.
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post #81 of 131
4/15/07 at 10:44pm
I have that Moto box. I believe it will output a squeezed picture, at 480i, over the component outs, so you can record an anamorphic DVD. It does not output the squeezed picture over the S-Vid out. You will need to go into the service setup menu of the box, and adjust the settings. You will have to adjust back, to watch over HDMI, or component, in 1080i, or 720p. You can find the info on how to make the adjustments on the wikipedia, just search for the box by name and number.

If it is just full wide screen you want, you can get that over the S-Vid out.
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post #82 of 131
4/16/07 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by kjbawc View Post

I have that Moto box. I believe it will output a squeezed picture, at 480i, over the component outs, so you can record an anamorphic DVD. It does not output the squeezed picture over the S-Vid out. You will need to go into the service setup menu of the box, and adjust the settings. You will have to adjust back, to watch over HDMI, or component, in 1080i, or 720p. You can find the info on how to make the adjustments on the wikipedia, just search for the box by name and number.

If it is just full wide screen you want, you can get that over the S-Vid out.

Thanks for the info. From what you've said, I guess the answers to my questions are: 1) yes, the DCT6412 III puts out 16x9 480i from the component video jacks, and 2) yes, I need to use a DVDR with component video inputs.

I assume you're referring to the on-screen Set-Up menu that's accessed by turning the Moto box off and pressing Menu. Then I should select 480i for the HDMI/Component output before recording and reset that parameter back to 720p or 1080i for viewing when I'm done recording.
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post #83 of 131
4/16/07 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by samsurd2 View Post

Thanks for the info. From what you've said, I guess the answers to my questions are: 1) yes, the DCT6412 III puts out 16x9 480i from the component video jacks, and 2) yes, I need to use a DVDR with component video inputs.

I assume you're referring to the on-screen Set-Up menu that's accessed by turning the Moto box off and pressing Menu. Then I should select 480i for the HDMI/Component output before recording and reset that parameter back to 720p or 1080i for viewing when I'm done recording.

Yes, you have grasped the situation. The only thing I would add is that you may need to adjust the aspect ratio output in the setup menu as well.
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post #84 of 131
4/25/07 at 8:12am
Can anyone tell me what retailers sell any of these models (not on-line). I believe someone said that Best Buy has the Phillips 3400, but they were returning it, so I'm hesitant about that.

Are the others sold at any national retailers?
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post #85 of 131
5/8/07 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by Logic Design View Post

If you have benefits from using Components Inputs and Widescreen Siganaling, the only device that can provide you with both of these is the Video Filter.

The Video Filter allows you to set the CGMS and WSS flags. Meaning that you have total contol of the recording process.

Is the video filter you talk about this one ?

thanks.
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post #86 of 131
5/8/07 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by JonP07 View Post

Is the video filter you talk about this one ?

thanks.

Yes, That is the one.
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post #87 of 131
10/2/07 at 5:59am
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Well this is partially because eBay "taxes" the item price with eBay fees, but does not tax the shipping fees. So if an honest seller moved hers/his costs in the item price and offered free/discounted shipping, they would have to raise the item price by the % of the eBay fees, plus the percentage of the said increase,

This is a old quote from the beginning of the year, but I found it very interesting as I didn't know or think of this 'angle'. I don't like e=Bay either, one reason was this. Now, I look at it in a different light. Thanks for the description..................

Anyway, I just scanned through this thread and my question is;
Any of you with one of these recorders made a comparison between a component copy vs a S-video or composite copy from an above average source??
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post #88 of 131
10/2/07 at 6:18am
Some might say that the PQ will be better using component because it offers better color separation. But PQ is a very subjective topic.

The recorders with component inputs became more of interest not because of any perception of perceived improvement in PQ but rather their ability to record a full widescreen 16x9 HD image from a source that can only produce a widesreen image via its component outputs. Say for example a cableco HD STB. In my case it is a SA8300HD. The SA8300HD can only output full widescreen via component so the only way to record it was to find a DVD recorder with component inputs. Actually not the only way but the easiest in my opinion. All of this of course is done using SD resolution.
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post #89 of 131
10/2/07 at 6:50am
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the PQ will be better using component because it offers better color separation.

On paper and through a display, but recording is another thing.
S-video was suppose to be the cure all when that entered the market in the late eighties, but it never made the splash it should of since it depended on the TV and the comb filter the set had. The improvement was only slightly noticeable with a avarage comb filter. With a advanced filter, there was little visual difference.

I was just wondering if after the complete play-record process there actually was a difference in the final product. I do understand the aspect problem issue, which I can see would be important.
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post #90 of 131
10/2/07 at 6:59am
I personally see a difference (PQ improvement) when recording using the component inputs of my DVD recorder then comparing the same recording using the svideo input of the same recorder. For example the blacks are blacker which seems to make the picture look sharper. I always use component inputs for recording as a result.

Also I run component out of my STB into a DVD recorder with component inputs. Use this recorder to convert the signal to svideo and then take svideo out of the DVD recorder into the svideo input of another recorder. Why? Because the second recorder does not have component inputs. The PQ is excellent and full widescreen which was the point of this thread.

But again PQ is very subjective and what works with one setup may have very different results on another setup.
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