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post #61 of 81
I think the real question is this. Will these old legacy games continue to drive systems. How many times can Sony make Gran Turismo before we all go , "eh, been there, done that". Halo 2 sold a ton of games but many fans of the original will tell you it doesn't quite have that magic that the original did. Take Two's Bully game isn't doing as well as a GTA game despite having the same gameplay overall. With all the copy cat, True Crime, etc. games out there, will millions of people still line up to buy the latest GTA crime-fest or will we finally say "eh, been there, done that"? Guitar Hero I & II came out of left field and sold a ton of games. There's always people waiting to play that thing in stores. Where is the next Half Life?? Where is the next Diablo?? The next Warcraft/Starcraft?? Who has the next genre/generation defining game which everyone will play and proclaim to be the "best of the best".
post #62 of 81
I find it quite amusing reading all these threads about 360 and PS3 (and now also Wii which i guess most people forgot in the heat). I currently live in London, England, and previously lived in Norway (in Europe for those in the US who don't know where that is).

I think a lot of guys around the world really think the format war and console war only goes on in their own countries. In Norway in the forums people seem to think that the sales in Norway (4.5 million inhabitants) determines the winner. In your forum it seems like it's the US that will decide.

The world in the last 5 years has changed. China and India (and the a certain degree russia) now has respectable middle classes who can afford consoles. And we're talking probably 100-200 million extra people in the world from 5-6 years ago who can afford these new consoles.

Now to the average gamer of PS3. Who is he? Well keeping in mind that PS2 sold over 100 million consoles (and still outselling all other consoles in the market), is it not reasonable to think that many of these will buy the PS3 as well? The Xbox sold around 20 million in total, and offcourse a lot of these will buy the 360. So I think the age span on the new consoles will be bigger than before, and there's not really a maximum age to talk about for any of the consoles. But walking in the game shops in London it seems to be Nintendo and Playstation that caters best for kids games, so i think the Wii will get the youngest gamers (also because of price).

Im 34 years old, and bought my PS2 as my first DVD player in 2000 (or 2001). Now im gonna buy the PS3 as well as my first BD player. Do I use it or games or movies? I'll use it as both, but mainly movies, but i'm definitely gonna get GT 5 and a couple of other games. In addition my wife loves Singstar and Buzz (as does all our friends), so there will be some gaming and entertainment as well.

If I wasnt married these days I would also buy the 360 just to play Halo which is a great game. But I think it will be enough with PS3 (for me) and Wii (for the kids).

When the PS3 is in the house (in March hopefully) i will buy a 1080p 40" LCD to get full performance from the PS3.

And now my predictions of the future as it seems most people have a view about it here hehe :

The 360 will be a great gaming machine and with the possibility to add on HD it will perform well, better than xbox. It will probably be the favoured machine in the US, in Europe it will be a even match i think and in Asia i think PS3 and Wii will dominate the arena.

For gamers and HD interested people the world has never really been any better. You can now get a combined gaming system with HD playing capabilites for $600 and under. Keep in mind how much the PS2 cost when it came, was not far from $400 in real money terms. And a lot of people will be able to afford every console there is.

Anyway, just had to get it out. Can't see why people are getting so emotional over some plastic and metals that will be worthless in 5 years anyway
post #63 of 81
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Originally Posted by harol View Post

When the PS3 is in the house (in March hopefully) i will buy a 1080p 40" LCD to get full performance from the PS3.

You'll need a screen larger than 40" to get full performance of 1080p. May as well save coin and get 720p at that size.


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Originally Posted by tgable View Post

Sony is a harwdare company and MS is a software one, the PS3 is an engineering marvel, but the software (XB, store, etc.) is immature, but that can be patched. Good luck "patching" the 360 with missing features like digital video output and HD storage.

A marvel? lol, just like their batteries? Those were a marvel. Some hardware company!
post #64 of 81
Thread Starter 
[quote=SteroMAdMAn]You'll need a screen larger than 40" to get full performance of 1080p. May as well save coin and get 720p at that size.

or sit 5ft away from the display like me from when watching my 46in Bravia. I'm starting to hate LCDs though - gonna get an RP any day now.

1) the VAST majority of PS3 owners are GAMERS - sure, they'll go for the occasional Spiderman or Pirates, but for the most part, they'll be spending their hard earned cash on $60 games.

2) there aren't numbers, but it's fair to say that a sizable majority of PS3 owners use SDTVs, given that the VAST number of US households have yet to go HD.

I think the US is the biggest market for CE, I think it's fair to say. But the EU is undoubtedly the 2nd largest. As far as China, there will be a huge influx of console ownership in the 7th gen but along with it will be a huge pirating problem
post #65 of 81
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But the EU is undoubtedly the 2nd largest

Depends. Japan is the second largest market actually, they just tend toward different gadgetry.
post #66 of 81
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Originally Posted by hd90210 View Post

Is that why PS3 is selling 2x more than xbox360 when xbox360 first launched in 2005 ?

X360 outsold PS3 in Nov and Dec, no clue what you're talking about...
post #67 of 81
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Originally Posted by PacoFromDelTaco View Post

Ive yet to lay my eyes on a PS3 that can be purchased in Southern California. I call stores all the time, make random visits, they are IMPOSSIBLE to find. Maybe in some hick county in the midwest theres 2-3 on a shelf, but thats not how it is for everyone else. Ive been looking since launch and still, NONE. Every place i go, the workers tell me the same thing, they sell out immediately. Theres never been one just sitting there.

However, there tons and tons of xbox 360s in stock at every store, and ive yet to witness a person buy one in front of my eyes during this holiday season. Im sure they sold well, but the system is for the most hardcore of gamers. Casual gamers and Hardcore gamers alike want a PS3.

PS3's are on shelves in NEARLY EVERY BB, WalMart, Target, CC, and Fry's in San diego. There are more 360's because the supply is far greater. Duh?
post #68 of 81
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Originally Posted by joshd2012 View Post

You are too hilarious. Wouldn't the smart person buy a 20GB PS3 at $499 over a 20GB Xbox 360 w/ HD DVD add-on for $599?

Wouldn't the smart person buy the system with GAMES FOR SALE?
post #69 of 81
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Originally Posted by trmas View Post


However, the 360 will probably win this war because most people do not
have the setup to take advantage of either machine.

I have:

Sony KDS-R70XBR2 70"
Denon 4306
Onix Rocket speakers
SVS PB12+/2 sub

I chose the 360. There went your argument.
post #70 of 81
Here's an interesting thread over on the Playstation board about buying Blu-ray titles for the PS3....and before any of you get your panties in a bunch, I'm not saying this represents all or even the majority of PS3 owners.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783621
post #71 of 81
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Wouldn't the smart person buy the system with GAMES FOR SALE?

Funny you make that arguement, because when we try the "won't people buy the movie format with the majority of movies ever made exclusive for it, and with a massive software advantage announced", then it's a TOTALLY different story
post #72 of 81
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Originally Posted by WickyWoo View Post

Funny you make that arguement, because when we try the "won't people buy the movie format with the majority of movies ever made exclusive for it, and with a massive software advantage announced", then it's a TOTALLY different story

All of us zealots fail to recognize that JP6 is paying no attention to this 'war'. the VAST majority are debating 360 vs. ps3 - and those that are clamoring and saving for HD sets are anticipating for HD GAMING - BD is only secondary or tertiary - 360 addon owners however, do own HDTVs like 99.9999% of the time
post #73 of 81
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Originally Posted by WickyWoo View Post

Funny you make that arguement, because when we try the "won't people buy the movie format with the majority of movies ever made exclusive for it, and with a massive software advantage announced", then it's a TOTALLY different story

Massive software advantage announced? where? HD DVD announced 300 new titles in 2007. The BD-A list that goes through May or whatever isn't even close to that.

The majority of movies is not in BD's favor. it's a wash right now regarding # of titles.

I know, "just wait!"
post #74 of 81
I haven't seen that list of titles yet though, have you?

I do know that whatever movies on that list are from Paramount and Warner will be on BD as well, leaving Universal (whatever the deal is with them), some Bandai, and some porn I guess.
post #75 of 81
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Massive software advantage announced? where? HD DVD announced 300 new titles in 2007. The BD-A list that goes through May or whatever isn't even close to that.

They announced the number 300, BD announced what, 2 or 3 to 1 over the HD ones, and 90% of those were comign to both

The name of the game is EXCLUSIVE titles

60-70% of what BR announced were exclusive
post #76 of 81
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Originally Posted by Chris in SD View Post

X360 outsold PS3 in Nov and Dec, no clue what you're talking about...


Not in the months described in his post
post #77 of 81
PS3 isn't selling

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070108-8574.html

Looks like the core market for PS3, the gamers, aren't amused by the force-bundled Blu-Ray trojan horse. If Sony had followed MS's lead and released the Blu-Ray drive as an add-on, PS3 would have launched earlier and have been cheaper. Now Sony has an uphill mountain to climb, with a product that costs $200 more and offers way fewer games to play.
post #78 of 81
Of course the PS3 is selling. It just isn't selling out, which I guess some people can't get their heads around as being different. Also - you have scalpers returning the thing; makes sense to me!

As it stands now, PS3 has a larger install base in both the US and Japan than 360 did at this time last year. Let's wait until Feb 21st (Motostorm) and March 6th (Heavenly Sword) to see what interest in the PS3 looks like trending longer term.
post #79 of 81
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Originally Posted by SteroMAdMAn View Post

A marvel? lol, just like their batteries? Those were a marvel. Some hardware company!

Batteries are a very tricky component of notebooks. Everyone wants more battery life, and it is intensely competitive and time to market is crazy short, not allowing for long term/various condition tests. If you try to push the engineering too far, reliability goes down, and for a battery that can mean fire and even explosions.

Apple and Dell have had dramatic failures as well as a few lesser known companies. Given all this, I personally would not judge a company harshly for a run of exploding/flaming batteries.

OTOH, I did find the 360's reports from last year of overheating forcing shutdowns and scratching up DVDs to be disturbing. Those are not common issues and are trivial to engineer around. It seems they've fixed all that (except the loud fan), and they have a rev2 version coming out, so I may still go that way.
post #80 of 81
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

PS3 isn't selling

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070108-8574.html

Looks like the core market for PS3, the gamers, aren't amused by the force-bundled Blu-Ray trojan horse. If Sony had followed MS's lead and released the Blu-Ray drive as an add-on, PS3 would have launched earlier and have been cheaper. Now Sony has an uphill mountain to climb, with a product that costs $200 more and offers way fewer games to play.

I guess you missed this quote in the article:

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It's not the case that the PS3 isn't selling well, however. One store manager revealed that they have sold 24 of 28 launch units, and most others who would talk to us told similar tales. Sales are strong; they're simply not as strong as many expected and a few even hoped.

That kinda goes against your claim that the PS3 isn't selling.
post #81 of 81
Peopel still aren't getting that Blu-Ray is as much a copy protection mechanism on PS3 as it is a movie playback and cost-cutting measure on their backend. As has been oft stated, Japanese developers like HD prerendered cutscenes and lots of them, combine that with 6-8 spoken languages, and you're way over the limit on DVD
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