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Magnepan 3.6 as Center channel (pics)

post #1 of 16
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I just wanted to publicly thank Grant VanderMye for taking on this project. Needless to say, I am ecstatic with the results!

I had tried a phantom center with my L/R 3.6's, but the constraints of my theater layout prevented the positioning that is so necessary with Maggies to optimize the soundstage. I switched to a Maggie CC3 for a center, but the sound character of the CC3's quasi-ribbon design was so different from the true ribbon tweeter in the 3.6's that it was a huge distraction, particularly with the heavy vocal content of the center channel in most soundtracks.

I experimented with a 3.6 as a center, having my wife hold it balanced on its side while I listened. It sounded great, but I couldn't convince my wife to do that for two hours every time I watch a movie, so I appealed to Grant to design a stand. Grant put his creative genius to work and came up with a terrific solution. The four small stands give solid support to the 3.6, allow for precise tilt adjustment, and match the look of the Mye stands on my L/R 3.6's.

Highly recommended.

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You can't see it in this pic, but the L/C/R amp is positioned directly behind the center, in between the center two supports.




The speaker is pulled out from it's normal position to show detail of the stands.
post #2 of 16
Freakin' awesome!

Great and innovative idea. I'm a Maggie user for nearly 25 yrs. and now use 3.6's for fronts, the CC3 center and MGMC1's for surrounds. Sub duty is done by a Velodyne DD18 and Defttech Supercube I, located on the corners.

I agree with u that the CC3 does sound different. It seemed to work better with the 1.6's I previously owned B4 upgrading to 3.6's. My biggest complaint with the CC3 is it sounds thin & upper bass shy, even with the sub crossed over at 80 HZ. Magnepan had been working on a new & higher priced center to mate with 20.1's & 3.6's, but that's been ~2 yrs ago and no word since on when/if they will release it.

I don't have the room space to do what u did, and I am only using a 53" HDTV not a front projector yet (am trying to convince my wife that a proj. is needed)

Would Grant Mye do a similar stand with a 1.6 or even a horizontal positioned MGMC1?

What do u use for a sub and surrounds?
Again, very nice setup.

ss9001
post #3 of 16
3no:
That looks fantastic! Great looking room too. I'd love to hear it! Did Magnepan sell you a single 3.6? What are you using for surrounds?

I have MG 1.6s up front with a pair of modified MG 10s for the surrounds. I didn't like the CC3 with the 1.6s either and so I am running with a phantom center because I haven't found anything that will match up.
post #4 of 16
Holy Mother of God, that's one of the coolest things I've ever seen! Grant is a genius!
post #5 of 16
If I hadn't just sold my 3.6es I'd be all over this.
post #6 of 16
3no,

If you haven't thought of this already, you might also want to post your pics on the Planar speakers & Magnepan users forum:

http://www.integracoustics.com/MUG/MUG/

A lot Maggie owners there with HT setups will be quite envious And I think they'd be interested in what Mye has developed for you.

ss9001
post #7 of 16
That is breathtakingly cool, bro. I wonder about lateral dispersion when it's on its side like that, but I guess its axis is really wide as its so tall...you've got a decent window to remain on-axis, yeah?

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I experimented with a 3.6 as a center, having my wife hold it balanced on its side while I listened.

"You want me to what?"
post #8 of 16
Way cool, kudos!
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
Let me try to answer your questions:

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Magnepan had been working on a new & higher priced center to mate with 20.1's & 3.6's, but that's been ~2 yrs ago and no word since on when/if they will release it.

It's called the CCR, and has been "a few months" from release for the last year. I hear they are having problems perfecting the curved ribbon. I also heard it was slated to sell for $2500, not including an optional base panel/cabinet thing.


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Would Grant Mye do a similar stand with a 1.6 or even a horizontal positioned MGMC1?

Only Grant can answer that. grant at myesound dot com.


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What do u use for a sub and surrounds?

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Did Magnepan sell you a single 3.6? What are you using for surrounds?

I was using 3.6's for surrounds and MMGs for rears, but thought the 3.6's for surrounds were overkill and a little too big for the space available. Bought a pair of 1.6's on AudiogoN for surrounds which freed up the 3.6's, one of which became my center. Haven't decided whether to try to sell the other 3.6 (maybe if this catches on) or keep it. I have a ten year old 15" Velodyne which is next on my upgradeitis list.


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If you haven't thought of this already, you might also want to post your pics on the Planar speakers & Magnepan users forum:

I will.


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I wonder about lateral dispersion when it's on its side like that, but I guess its axis is really wide as its so tall...you've got a decent window to remain on-axis, yeah?

Very perceptive question. My front row is kind of close to the screen (11' for a 60" x 141" screen) but the two center seats are fine. There is quite a tweeter dropoff with the two outer front seats due to the high off-axis angle, but anyone who knows enough to tell the difference would never sit in those seats anyway due to the high off-axis angle to the screen, regardless of the audio. If your seating is at a more normal distance I don't think you would have a problem. This is why Magnepan is trying to make a curved ribbon (see above).
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by 3no View Post

...There is quite a tweeter dropoff with the two outer front seats due to the high off-axis angle, but anyone who knows enough to tell the difference would never sit in those seats anyway...

This is one of the best statements I've read on the forum lately.

Really nice front stage BTW. Can we see the rest?
post #11 of 16
Hi 3no, thanks for the opportunity to design/build this for you. This was a very fun project for me, and I am also very happy with the outcome. That is one VERY nice room you have. It was a pleasure doing business with you..... Grant VanderMye
post #12 of 16
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You are in Atlanta, Georgia (?) and he is in Kelowna, British Columbia (right next to me)... How is it that you were able to get assistance that far away?

Its just that the Kelowna address caught my eye, its less than an hour from here.

I looked at Grant's homepage and like his work, thought I have never been a fan of the massive, over-engineered design that I always see with Magneplanar after-market stands. Instead, I cut the fronts off of those bloody awful factory stands that ship with Maggies and left the rears sticking out. I then weighed down the back 'legs' with slabs of polished marble: sourced - for free- from a local headstone cutter.

The end-result is very nice, a gorgeous slab of marble at the rear, and a nice flush face at the front of the loudspeaker.

I'd provide pictures, but this forum has disallowed me that function until I have made 5 posts - and I'm not there yet... Perhaps I'll post them in the Planar Asylum.

Andrew D.
cdnav.com
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post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by samNOISE View Post

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You are in Atlanta, Georgia (?) and he is in Kelowna, British Columbia (right next to me)... How is it that you were able to get assistance that far away?

Its just that the Kelowna address caught my eye, its less than an hour from here.

I looked at Grant's homepage and like his work, thought I have never been a fan of the massive, over-engineered design that I always see with Magneplanar after-market stands. Instead, I cut the fronts off of those bloody awful factory stands that ship with Maggies and left the rears sticking out. I then weighed down the back 'legs' with slabs of polished marble: sourced - for free- from a local headstone cutter.

The end-result is very nice, a gorgeous slab of marble at the rear, and a nice flush face at the front of the loudspeaker.

I'd provide pictures, but this forum has disallowed me that function until I have made 5 posts - and I'm not there yet... Perhaps I'll post them in the Planar Asylum.

Andrew D.
cdnav.
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I dealt with Grant by email. I had purchased 3.6 (vertical) stands from him previously, and even if I had not, Grant is pretty well known.

The advantage of Mye stands is that the braces that run from the speaker to the base serve to prevent the speakers from moving in the opposite direction to the panel (ref Newton's 3rd law) at the lower frequencies.

Should you post your pics on the Asylum, be aware that those who hang out there are primarlily focused (some extremely so) on sound quality over aesthetics, so you might use caution before dis'ing Mye stands as over-engineered...
post #14 of 16
Thats extremely impressive,you will make a bunch of people envious with that setup,congrats very nicely and cleverly done!
post #15 of 16
3no

Re: 3rd party stands: Wasn't so much dissn', em for the over-engineered component - its just that they look so bloody mechanical with Mye stands! The look of the Maggies without any extra support substructure is absolutely beautiful! Ok, as beautiful as two massive monoliths that look like Stanley Kubrick rejects can look!

I've never really considered the 1.6QRs in my particular setting to lack bass - as I run dual 12" subs in my listening room I've yet to hear Maggies that didn't need subs to kick ass - though I haven't heard the 20.1s in years - so maybe its just memory loss...

Andrew D.
cdnav.com

post #16 of 16
Beautiful idea. Nice implementation of the whole theater especially the screen. Whats with the ugly carpet tho?

Frost
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