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post #1 of 34
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A friend of mine at one of the major mfgs of plasmas told me last weekend to not buy a plasma until this coming summer. He told me that his company is making a major announcement at CES 2007 and the new models will be ready in the summer of 2007. I asked him about these new models as compared to SED from Toshiba and he told me that they are not worried at all about SED - their plasma speces will be right there with SED and as good a picture. The company he works for begins with a P.
post #2 of 34
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

A friend of mine at one of the major mfgs of plasmas told me last weekend to not buy a plasma until this coming summer. He told me that his company is making a major announcement at CES 2007 and the new models will be ready in the summer of 2007. I asked him about these new models as compared to SED from Toshiba and he told me that they are not worried at all about SED - their plasma speces will be right there with SED and as good a picture. The company he works for begins with a P.

Not reallly any real info there to use. Of course there will be better sets in Plasma and LCD by next year and the year after that.. If you can get a great deal now on a plasma then do it and don't worry about what will be available next year.
post #3 of 34
Yeah right....last year at CES 2006 we were told to wait till Summer of 06 for the Panny 65" 1080p. Well, I did and it finally showed up.......in October!! I bought it in December and I am not going to be lulled into another wait for the Summer of 07 for the....... Next, greatest, bestest, perfect....blah blah PDP, etc.

Bottom line: I've got a great set a 65" 1080p PDP that absolutely ROCKS!!
post #4 of 34
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

A friend of mine at one of the major mfgs of plasmas told me last weekend to not buy a plasma until this coming summer. He told me that his company is making a major announcement at CES 2007 and the new models will be ready in the summer of 2007. I asked him about these new models as compared to SED from Toshiba and he told me that they are not worried at all about SED - their plasma speces will be right there with SED and as good a picture. The company he works for begins with a P.

These are the normal course of events for the company whose name begins with letter "P."

They unveil their new models @ CES w/release dates that range from early spring though late fall.
post #5 of 34
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

A friend of mine at one of the major mfgs of plasmas told me last weekend to not buy a plasma until this coming summer. He told me that his company is making a major announcement at CES 2007 and the new models will be ready in the summer of 2007. I asked him about these new models as compared to SED from Toshiba and he told me that they are not worried at all about SED - their plasma speces will be right there with SED and as good a picture. The company he works for begins with a P.

Of course they will announce something at CES. Everybody will. But whatever they announce may not even be available for another full year. The TV game right now is exactly the same as the computer game has always been. If you constantly say, "oh, I'm just going to wait until the latest revision comes out," you'll never own a computer.

I bought my Pioneer knowing full well that CES was coming in the next few weeks. I got a smokin' deal on it. Sure, they'll announce something next week. It'll also be priced a lot higher than what I just got my display for. At some point the technology is going to hit the wall, just like CRT did, and things will level off. That's when I will make my next purchase (probably around 2009), when the HD standard becomes law. Until then, I'm enjoying my Pioneer plasma while others are "waiting," but they aren't sure for what.
post #6 of 34
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

A friend of mine at one of the major mfgs of plasmas told me last weekend to not buy a plasma until this coming summer. He told me that his company is making a major announcement at CES 2007 and the new models will be ready in the summer of 2007. I asked him about these new models as compared to SED from Toshiba and he told me that they are not worried at all about SED - their plasma speces will be right there with SED and as good a picture. The company he works for begins with a P.

So a Plasma manufacturer with a P huh? why the secret of who the P is ? I'm sure both Pioneer and Panasonic will be unveiling new stuff for the coming year. That's pretty much the case every year.

post #7 of 34
I think the jump from the 2006 to 2007 plasma from Panny will be alot better then people anticipate. Year to year we have seen progression in small increments, about 10% from year to year. The 2007 plasmas are gonna be a huge leap. 20 000:1 contrast, 1080p, HDMI 1.3, 120hz. I talked to a Panny rep (35 years with Panasonic) and while she wouldn't tell me exactly what the specs are. I threw out some numbers like 20 000:1 contrast and she basically nodded. The only thing she confirmed verbally was that there will be an entire line up of 1080p plasma with HDMI 1.3. Also there are lots of rumours going around that Panny and Pio are teaming up and they are going to share their patents! I wouldn't be surprised if Pannasonic buys Pioneer dying plasma operation. Pio has confirmed and demoed a Plasma with 20 000:1 contrast and home theatre mag stated that it was the equal to SED. Bottom line: 2007 is going to be a huge jump from 2006. Better to have waited.
post #8 of 34
Panasonic should work on their crappy silver bezel before they try stuff like improving picture quality
post #9 of 34
Doe Contrats ratio above 10,000:1 really matter? At what point do we say it doesn't matter much more ?

Also, what's the advantage of HDMI 1.3 over HDMI today?
post #10 of 34
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

I think the jump from the 2006 to 2007 plasma from Panny will be alot better then people anticipate. Year to year we have seen progression in small increments, about 10% from year to year. The 2007 plasmas are gonna be a huge leap. 20 000:1 contrast, 1080p, HDMI 1.3, 120hz. I talked to a Panny rep (35 years with Panasonic) and while she wouldn't tell me exactly what the specs are. I threw out some numbers like 20 000:1 contrast and she basically nodded. The only thing she confirmed verbally was that there will be an entire line up of 1080p plasma with HDMI 1.3. Also there are lots of rumours going around that Panny and Pio are teaming up and they are going to share their patents! I wouldn't be surprised if Pannasonic buys Pioneer dying plasma operation. Pio has confirmed and demoed a Plasma with 20 000:1 contrast and home theatre mag stated that it was the equal to SED. Bottom line: 2007 is going to be a huge jump from 2006. Better to have waited.

So I guess dual-tuners and support for two-way CableCARDs are out.
post #11 of 34
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Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

Panasonic should work on their crappy silver bezel before they try stuff like improving picture quality

yuppppppp
post #12 of 34
Hey BWClark,
I am very curiuos about the Panasonic TH-65PX600U 1080P quality and superiority over plasma's that only get the 720p. I have Direct TV and the best they can do in hi-def resolution is 1080i. So my question is, how much better is the picture going to be on the Panasonic 1080P plasma's compared to a comparible quallity hi-def 720p plasma TV? Any other information would be great. I can't even lay my eyes on one right now because nobody carries them in their showroom at this point. Thanks.
post #13 of 34
Panasonic w/ all 1080P models. Crappy exterior and ****** tuners.

Pioneer the same, but upgraded parts and bigger price tag.

Philips comes out w/ laser ambilight, b/c lasers are better. There TV's will still overall suck.
post #14 of 34
omg! phillips is announcing their new plasma models?!? i better cancel my order for the 9uk. i swear, this crap always happens.
post #15 of 34
"P" plasma companies would include Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, and Polaroid.
post #16 of 34
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20,000:1 contrast, 1080p, HDMI 1.3, 120hz.

Sounds Peachy.
post #17 of 34
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

"P" plasma companies would include Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, and Polaroid.

P=Proton
post #18 of 34
If you want to wait to buy until P ships their new better units, then obviously you can't or don't want to afford to enjoy the best available now. Pity.

A friend of mine waited most of his adult life for 'something better'. He died of a heart attack at 39 a month ago....
post #19 of 34
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

"P" plasma companies would include Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, and Polaroid.

True, but only the first two on your list can elicit Penvy.
post #20 of 34
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Originally Posted by eonibm View Post

If you want to wait to buy until P ships their new better units, then obviously you can't or don't want to afford to enjoy the best available now. Pity.

A friend of mine waited most of his adult life for 'something better'. He died of a heart attack at 39 a month ago....


Deciding to wait a relatively short period (6 months?) for a large improvement in PQ is not an unreasonable thing to do, especially if current options are either unavailable in your area (Fujitsu, NEC) or overpriced (Fujitsu, Pioneer).

BTW, sorry about your friend.
post #21 of 34
The 20000:1 contrast ratio that keeps floating around doesn't mean a whole lot if this is achieved by increasing brightness and any increase in the black level will not be noticed on a convention floor. Also I suspect the new 1080p plasmas may still have higher black levels than the new 720p plasmas. I think it is more realistic to expect the new 1080p models to have comparable black levels to the existing 720p plasmas.
post #22 of 34
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hey - i'm just repeating what i was told by a senior vp of "P". He also told me that the models are all1080P and have "leap frog" technology that will put the compitition to shame. also told me that they were going to have a special promotion on the "old" plasmas. He also said that they, unfortunatley, expect plasma prices to fall dramatically by the end of 1007 with numerious new plants coming on line.

next time i'll keep the infor to myself.
post #23 of 34
ikeb is obviously refering to Panny as they are the only plasma company that is growing by a huge margain and opening factories every year. Pio sells a fraction of what Panny does and they just bought out NEC plasma plant last year. Phillips is crap and so is Poloroid (doesn't make panels anyway) The only other company that is growing fast in the plasma market is LG and they don't start with P and their panels are crap anyway. I can't wait till Sunday when everything will be clear. Im betting that Panny has bought Pio patents or they have bought out Pio plasma division outright. Also the 20 000:1 Plasma that pio displayed for a few people claimed that in a completely black room the blacks were so dark that it was not possible to see the TV when it was showing complete black. They said it had the black levels of SED. There is a thread somewhere where they discuss this in detail. It was a guy from hometheatremag that saw the Pio.
post #24 of 34
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

hey - i'm just repeating what i was told by a senior vp of "P". He also told me that the models are all1080P and have "leap frog" technology that will put the compitition to shame. also told me that they were going to have a special promotion on the "old" plasmas. He also said that they, unfortunatley, expect plasma prices to fall dramatically by the end of 1007 with numerious new plants coming on line.

next time i'll keep the infor to myself.

Thanks for the heads up. Good to know. You also posted on July 28,2006 that you had talked to an insider at Toshiba about SED. Can you get some current information about SED from that person. Thanks.
post #25 of 34
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Originally Posted by WLSINWI View Post

Not reallly any real info there to use. Of course there will be better sets in Plasma and LCD by next year and the year after that.. If you can get a great deal now on a plasma then do it and don't worry about what will be available next year.


I agree 100%. You can chase the newest and the best forever while there are amazing units at great prices out there right now.

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post #26 of 34
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

Deciding to wait a relatively short period (6 months?) for a large improvement in PQ is not an unreasonable thing to do, especially if current options are either unavailable in your area (Fujitsu, NEC) or overpriced (Fujitsu, Pioneer).

BTW, sorry about your friend.

I agree that waiting a short period might be prudent if you can stand it. But, here's the rub - Once the six months are over, something else gets announced or rumoured that will be available in another 6 months. And that cycle just keeps continuing. That's what catches most people.

I think the best thing is to buy, enjoy, sell, upgrade...
post #27 of 34
Since there doesn't seem to be standardized method for rating the contrast ratio among manufacturers, it seems like this is just more marketing smoke. The proof will be in the performance.
post #28 of 34
The only announcements I could foresee being important or big enough for me to consider holding off purchasing until the summer, it would have to be one of the following..

A) There will be a large scale ushering in of 1080p panels, and as a result, dramatic price drops for 720p/768p panels, similar to what we've already seen in the previous 6-9 months. I'm talking at minimum another 20% drop in price by summertime.

B) Implementation of the highly anticipated 20,000:1 contrast ratio for this coming model year AND this improvement not adding a great deal of expense (even in the short term) AND this benefit actually living up to the expectations people have for it.


Those are the only things that might give me pause. As I am in the market for a 50", new 1080p panels priced at todays current 720p levels, or even a bit less, still wouldn't matter a whole lot given it's very limited benefit for my viewing circumstances. And HDMI 1.3 implementation for this coming panel crop would mean even less to me, as in practically nil. The way I see it, 1.3 won't do *most* people any significant good for at least a couple years, and maybe even much longer.
post #29 of 34
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Originally Posted by hoodlum View Post

The 20000:1 contrast ratio that keeps floating around doesn't mean a whole lot if this is achieved by increasing brightness and any increase in the black level will not be noticed on a convention floor. Also I suspect the new 1080p plasmas may still have higher black levels than the new 720p plasmas. I think it is more realistic to expect the new 1080p models to have comparable black levels to the existing 720p plasmas.

Well the Pioneer that demo'd... at least in pictures showed CRT like black levels with that 20,000:1 ratio.

Too bad the thing's gonna cost an arm and a leg.
post #30 of 34
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

The only announcements I could foresee being important or big enough for me to consider holding off purchasing until the summer, it would have to be one of the following..

A) There will be a large scale ushering in of 1080p panels, and as a result, dramatic price drops for 720p/768p panels, similar to what we've already seen in the previous 6-9 months. I'm talking at minimum another 20% drop in price by summertime.

B) Implementation of the highly anticipated 20,000:1 contrast ratio for this coming model year AND this improvement not adding a great deal of expense (even in the short term) AND this benefit actually living up to the expectations people have for it.


Those are the only things that might give me pause. As I am in the market for a 50", 1080p panels priced at todays current 720p levels, or even a bit less, in and of itself wouldn't matter a whole lot given it's very limited benefit for my viewing circumstances. And HDMI 1.3 implementation for this coming panel crop would mean even less to me, as in practically nil. The way I see it, 1.3 won't do *most* people any significant good for at least a couple years, and maybe even much longer.

20,000:1 contrast ratio for Pioneer 80 series consumer?! That would be a sweet announcentment.. .and a great incentive to people that are waiting to jump into the plasma world.
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