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Wow, the superior color and blacks of CRTS really makes a difference

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I was at Pamida a little bit ago and was looking at their LCDs. Because it is Pamida they only have cheaper ones, the most expensive I saw was $1,200. I've been a little bummed that the resolution on my xbr970 is only 853 X 1080. It doesn't bother me for TV so much as it does 360 games. I want my 360 to look as awesome as possible, it's the reason I bought a new TV to begin with. Knowing that I'm missing 1,000 lines of resolution in Gears of War has been driving me crazy. Because of that I've been thinking about replacing my xbr970 with a 1080p LCD. Pamida didn't have any 1080p LCDS, they were all the standard 768p models. They were playing one of those computer animated movies similar to Toy Story on one of the cable HD stations. Immediately I didn't think the picture looked as good on any of them as mine. In fact, strangely enough I thought the picture was slightly blurry despite having many more lines of resolution than mine and being progressive. I had a friend with me and as soon as I got home I turned my TV to the same channel. No doubt, the picture was sharper, more colorful and overall just more vibrant. My friend agreed. To me this was really weird. Why did those sets look slightly blurry compared to mine despite the higher resolution and progressive picture? Perhaps the perception of blurriness may have been due to the lack of good shading between the different colors? Or maybe they weren't hooked up right? But the program playing was full widescreen so it couldn't have been SD. Mind you these were cheap LCDs. I know a $2000-$3000 1080p LCD from a good company would certainly look better than those did. But the experience made me feel a lot better about my set despite its low resolution. Man, can you imagine how absolutely fantastic a CRT would look if it actually did have a 1920 X 1080 picture? Or better yet how incredible it would look if it was progressive? I really wish one of the better manufacturers would put out a CRT with these kinds of features as kind of like a last hoorah for CRT technology. It would totally blow everything else away.
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Pamida? I thought my redneck hometown was the only place that still had one of those stores !!
post #3 of 9
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Yeah, I live in a little redneck town too.
post #4 of 9
1080ix853 =921240 pixels
1280x720=921600
Since all or most xbox 360 games are rendered at 720P or less, you are only losing 360 pixels (wow!)to a native 720P set.
Any set with more pixels is just converting/scaling/zooming those same 720P pixels to fit it's higher pixel count.
In addition you have better blacks, better contrast, better color and nano second response time, all of which are much more important than resolution in the grand scheme of PQ.
21"-22"-4:3,and-(24" widescreenSony)Computer monitors have always been progressive and capable of showing full hd and better thru VGA, long before lcds and plasmas, and refurbished units can be had dirt cheap.
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Yeah, I know that the pixel counts of xbr970 and 720p signal are similar but I had expected that the progressive nature of the LCDs vs the interlaced picture of the CRT would give the LCD a big sharpness edge, especially given all the fast movement in games. I've seen 768p LCDs before but that was always when driving to Canton which is a little over a 1/2 hour drive from here. It was always difficult to keep in my mind exactly the picture I had seen so that when I got home I could compare. But Pamida is less than a mile from my place and I hadn't even known they sold HDTVs there, lol.

But no games on 360 are less than 720p. 720p is a minimum standard that Microsoft has set. A game can't even be published if it is lower than that. There are allegedly a few 360 games that are optimized for 1080i but I don't know if that is true or not or what games they would be. I've also heard that some 1080p optimized ( Or native, whatever you want to call it. ) are on the way like Virtua Tennis 3.
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HMMMM, I heard that PGR3 and a few others are rendered at less than 720P in the xbox thread, I dont know if it is true though.
I will keep my eye out on virtua tennis 3, I wonder if the frame rate will go down at that high rez as opposed to 720P rendered games, just like computer games do.
Thats a good question interlace vs progressive, that's sort of hard to awnser because lcd and crt's are diferent technologies, while crt's can do both lcd' just do progressive. each can givegreat PQ though.
Looks like you need to find a good LCD to borrow and to do a side by side at home or at a store that has both.
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Originally Posted by lastxbr960 View Post

HMMMM, I heard that PGR3 and a few others are rendered at less than 720P in the xbox thread, I dont know if it is true though.
I will keep my eye out on virtua tennis 3, I wonder if the frame rate will go down at that high rez as opposed to 720P rendered games, just like computer games do.
Thats a good question interlace vs progressive, that's sort of hard to awnser because lcd and crt's are diferent technologies, while crt's can do both lcd' just do progressive. each can givegreat PQ though.
Looks like you need to find a good LCD to borrow and to do a side by side at home or at a store that has both.

OK, I think you might be right about Project Gotham Racing, heh heh. I've heard that MS broke their own rule and that there are moments when that game dips a tad below 720p. But I guess you can get away with that when it is your own rule, heh heh. But that is the exception rather than the norm. MS has rules in place ( That 3rd parties have to follow anyway. ) that all games must be a minimum of 720p and all games must have achievement points. If I remember right ( And it was quite a long time ago that I heard about it so the details are very fuzzy. ) MS got quite a bit of flack about PGR3 so I wouldn't count on that happening again.
post #8 of 9
I agree,

Few days ago, I looked at XBR 970 and 720P LCDs prrety much side by side at my local electronics store. LCDs had pictures that were tiny bit sharper, but overall image wasn't as good as 970 in my opinion. LCDs images look to me like someone painted the screens. CRTs look more realistic. After I calibrated my 970 with DVE, its picture looks almost 3D with good HD signal.

This whole 853X1080 resolution deal was bumming me out untill I realized that it is almost identical to 720p in resolution. Sure 720p is progressive, but I remember reading that CRTs are better at handling interlaced signal than LCDs, so in the end, the difference probably won't be that big between two resolution formats plus CRTs have better blacks and colors.
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Do not get caught up in having true HD resolution. In my quest for an HDTV I have been through so many TV's (Plasma, LCD, and CRT). Although it is nice to be able to have 720P or full 1080p what really matters is picture quality, in which CRT's still, by far, beat everything else out there. Not only that but what is also important is pixel density, consider the fact that most CRT HDTV's max out at 34" so even though they have fewer pixels they are much closer together making for a much smoother image.
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