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post #31 of 74
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Yes, it looks like my plans for a new head-unit are put on hold, at least until the Alpine unit becomes available.

I've been thinking about using ALAC as the IPod doesn't work with FLAC, I've read that it's rather slow going when encoding though. Of course, once the bulk of the material is done it shouldn't be too bad.

I get why on the knob, but with a remote, who needs the knob, not a big deal, more of an annoyance, it seems like most all current units have that layout. It's one of the reasons I like my current unit and was looking hard at the 880 Pioneer, they have the classic knob at each side with a large display in the middle.

On the 690, I'm still waiting for confirmation that the USB feed is actually going to be processed digitally and not being sent to a ADC as it seems the rest of the Pionneer lineup does. You can add USB capability to the other Pioneers, but apparently it sends out an analog signal.


IME, Apple lossless doesn't take much longer to encode than AAC, and I'm almost positive that it has a much smaller file size than FLAC.

The other pioneer headunits can add usb capability for thumbdrives with the IP-bus add on box. The box has mass storage device drivers that read the files on the drive, and then they get converted to analog in the box and sent up the ip-bus just like a changer.

Let us know what you hear about the 690, but I'd put a large sum of money on a completely digital transfer from the ipod. Think about it, you can plug a thumb drive or an external MSD class hard drive into the same USB plug, and neither of those have any analog anything. Here's how you hook up the ipod to the 690(0):
LL
post #32 of 74
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Originally Posted by armygreen11 View Post

IME, Apple lossless doesn't take much longer to encode than AAC, and I'm almost positive that it has a much smaller file size than FLAC.

The other pioneer headunits can add usb capability for thumbdrives with the IP-bus add on box. The box has mass storage device drivers that read the files on the drive, and then they get converted to analog in the box and sent up the ip-bus just like a changer.

Let us know what you hear about the 690, but I'd put a large sum of money on a completely digital transfer from the ipod. Think about it, you can plug a thumb drive or an external MSD class hard drive into the same USB plug, and neither of those have any analog anything. Here's how you hook up the ipod to the 690(0):

I added the ALAC plugin to the dbPowerAMP music converter last night and converted some flac files to ALAC and it went pretty quick. The ALAC files are a bit larger though.

Some examples:

14,319-flac converts to 14,776 alac
50,589-flac converts to 51,503 alac

It was the same for all 13 tracks but nothing to be concerned about though.

I'll post what I find out about the 690, if I can talk my dealer into it I may try the 690 until Pioneer comes out with the 790 which is speced a bit better than the 690. Although, I do remember him saying yesterday that when scrolling through playlists, songs, etc, that there was a definite lag until the display actually caught up. I'm not sure where that lag is being introduced.

Since all the other IPod-ready Pioneer models handle the signal in the analog domain, it wouldn't surprise me if the 690 and 790 do the same once it's in the head-unit itself, regardless of the method of transport to the head-unit. I'll find out for sure though.
post #33 of 74
Huh.. I really thought it would have been smaller, being newer technology and all...

Does dbPowerAMP let you queue up a list before starting? If not, EasyCDDA audio converter will. It's shareware, but if you do all your FLAC files in one shot, you could just run it overnight and be done. You can really tweak the metadata too if you need/want to.

I noticed that too about the lag when I played with the 6900 in Besy Buy. It's slightly annoying, but compared to all the other headunit interfaces I've used, it's tons better and really is getting close to ideal. I only really noticed the lag when I really gave the knob a good twist to jump down in the list. If you're narrowing it down and going slower, it was fine.

I'm going to order the 690 in the next week or so, so if you don't hear anything back and you still want to know, I can pop the cover off and start pulling up datasheets on components and really tell you what's going on. I did just come across a couple of threads on some ipod forums and they were both talking about the iDA-X001 and the DEH-P690UB headunits being the only USB direct connection headunits right now.
post #34 of 74
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Originally Posted by armygreen11 View Post

Huh.. I really thought it would have been smaller, being newer technology and all...

Does dbPowerAMP let you queue up a list before starting? If not, EasyCDDA audio converter will. It's shareware, but if you do all your FLAC files in one shot, you could just run it overnight and be done. You can really tweak the metadata too if you need/want to.

I noticed that too about the lag when I played with the 6900 in Besy Buy. It's slightly annoying, but compared to all the other headunit interfaces I've used, it's tons better and really is getting close to ideal. I only really noticed the lag when I really gave the knob a good twist to jump down in the list. If you're narrowing it down and going slower, it was fine.

I'm going to order the 690 in the next week or so, so if you don't hear anything back and you still want to know, I can pop the cover off and start pulling up datasheets on components and really tell you what's going on. I did just come across a couple of threads on some ipod forums and they were both talking about the iDA-X001 and the DEH-P690UB headunits being the only USB direct connection headunits right now.

Yes, please do, although the money I had set aside for the 880 is burning a hole in my pocket, not to mention I already have the 80GB IPod loaded with some stuff that I can't do anything with.

dbPowerAMP has a batch processing function, I looked at it last night, seems simple enough to do, I need to check if there is a setting to leave the source file intact though as I need to retain the flac files.

Any links to those IPod threads?

(I sent you a PM)
post #35 of 74
I' ve just installed a Pioneer 7950UB in my wife's car - this is the international version of the 6900UB referred to. Operationally it is very very close to the ipod itself. The only drawbacks that I can see are:
- the monochrome 3 line interface referred to above (and the lines could be longer). That said its legible under bright sunlight (it replaced a neo car jukebox so this is a huge plus especially as I live somewhere sunny).
- The fact that it doesn't have the composers field that a Gen 5.5 ipod does (I have lots of classical with the performer in the artist tag).
- Not ipod related but you can't name stored radio stations; they're just listed by frequency.

However for a very reasonably priced unit I am very pleased with it. Specifically:
- There is no lag at all in controlling the ipod - it's as fast the ipod itself
- It plays gapless (this is with lame encoded MP3s, I presume that AAC encoded files will also)
- It will use a standard Apple USB to dock cable (Pioneer do sell one but you don't need it).
- It handles audio books and podcasts fine (I've not verified this but its in the manual).

It will only work over USB with current ipods. Ours are Gen 5 ipod videos, firmware 1.2.1 is needed. Earlier ipods won't work with the USB connector.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the Pioneer will also work with a USB harddrive (the USB port has enough power to spin up a 2.5 inch HDD without problem). Just use a \\genre\\artist\\album\\ filestructure. Again navigation is instant (it claims USB2). Off a USB HDD the unit will play AAC, MP3 and WMA files CBR and VBR up to 320k bit rates. Sorry no lossless.

I don't know if it will play apple lossless on an ipod.

It will run a CD changer and an analog auxiliary input alongside the USB in.

It sounds decent to me (it replaced a Blaupunkte San Francisco) but I'm not a car audiophile.

Crutchfield have the 6900UB manual for download btw.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Eric
post #36 of 74
Thanks for the hands-on review Fishy. I got my 690 on Friday. I haven't installed it yet because I have an Alpine IVA-D310 that needs to come out first and I haven't gotten around to it. (Major PITA with the remote interface box). I'm going to miss the touch screen, but not the full minute it takes to get to the letter 'C' in my artists list on my ipod.

Now I just need to figure out what amp I'm going to use to push my Focal 165 K2P's. I have a list of probably six different amps on my ebay watch list right now.

And here's the link I found on iLounge: Alpine vs. Pioneer
Keep your "forum filter" turned on while reading.
post #37 of 74
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Originally Posted by 00g View Post

I'm a little late on this...
B) There's no "back" (menu) button. What this means is: If you know a song you want to hear, but you're not sure which CD it's on, you can't back out of your first choice, and pick a different one. (Yes. I'm completely aware of the fact that you could click, "all songs", but there are just times when a back button would be nice.

I have the 9856 with the ipod cable

It took awhile to figure it out, but there is a back button.

It is the "func" button
post #38 of 74
I've reread this thread. If anyone wants to ask me any specific questions on the Pioneer (7950UB aka 6900UB aka 690UB) I'll do my best to answer. However in addition to the above:

- Digital or analog?
The Pioneer has a standard (full size, 4 pin) USB port on a 6 inch permanently attached pigtail at the back. I attached my ipod to it using a standard (white) ipod dock cable. There are no analog connections, it's all digital. Attach a earlier ipod than Gen 5 (without digital out over USB) and you get a "non-USB device connected message.

There is an adapter for earlier ipods but this will be analog, extra money and I've no idea how fast the navigation is.

As I noted you can use the USB dongle to attach a standard USB mass storage device. Playing with the unit on a test bench I used a FAT32 formatted 30Gig 2.5 inch hard disk which worked perfectly, but bear in mind that I've no protected content and the manual says that lossless won't work off a USB HDD.

- Navigation
The navigation system is the same as the ipod itself subject to the limit that "composers" entry on the top level menu isn't there. To the left of the click wheel there is a button marked "list". In Ipod mode pressing this takes you to the top level menu: genre, artist, album, podcasts etc (like the ipod itself you can do this while playback continues).

Navigate through the menus with the click wheel, it rotates to run through lists and also works like a joystick (left, right, up, down) to navigate through menu trees (when playing this is the next/prev track select). Press the click wheel to select/play. You have access to the full ipod contents not preselected playlists etc. The main advantage for me is that response is instant - as fast as the ipod itself.

When I first tried it with my video ipod, navigation worked but the player wasn't updating the song titles when playing multiple tracks (or receiving song duration info from the ipod). Updating the ipod from FW 1.2.0 to 1.2.1 sorted this out.
post #39 of 74
Schweet fishy. You mentioned that it couldn't playback lossless from an attached MSD class device. Do you have any lossless on your ipod? Does that work?
post #40 of 74
@Armygreen11
I only use itunes to update firmware (J Rivers MC12 normally). I can try a few Apple lossless but it will be the weekend I'm afraid.

The manual makes no mention of any file type limits with the ipod. This might imply that it can play everything that the ipod can (implying the ipod sends pcm over USB) but I will try at the weekend to confirm.
post #41 of 74
I'm going to take my 80GB down to my local store tomorrow, have them hook it up and see how it works. I've got plenty of ALAC on it, even some .wav files.
post #42 of 74
Hello. Two questions:

1)Can anyone tell me if the Alpine iDA-X001 reads FLAC files off a standard USB drive? If not, what are the chances there will be a upgraded firmware that will allow this?


2)Can the Alpine iDA-X001 read normal 3.5 inch 500GB external USB drives?

If the iDA-X001 doesn't read FLAC files, I would be forced to rip my entire colletion to WAV. The unit *does* read wav files, right?
post #43 of 74
Greetings

Three questions:


1)Can you guys go into a bit of detail describing how well the EQ functions? I mean, how many bands does it have? Is it Parametric or whatever it's called? Does the unit have any virtual sound field effects such as "concert", "reverb", "stadium", etc?

2)What's up with the time delay adjustment thing? What does this actually do?

3)Do any of you own the Alpine PXA-H701 DSP Procesor? If so, can the iDA-X001 control the unit? If so, does it offer the flexibility and plethora of controls as the default RUX-C701?
post #44 of 74
@isamu:

The iDA-X001 was just released today (you can get it on Crutchfield now), so unless someone here was at E3 and actually played with the one on display at the Alpine booth, I'm pretty sure that no one is going to know more about the thing than what can be found with a google search. Just search for iDA-X001 review, and you'll find lots of articles from people who actually played with it. To answer one of your questions though, I did read somewhere that the iDA-X001 is definitely NOT firmware upgradable, so you're pretty much stuck with what you've got.

@everyone else:

I've had my Pioneer DEH-P690UB installed for a couple of days now, and I just wanted to share some of my impressions.

My current setup:
Pioneer DEH-P690UB (rear speaker outs power JL 5.25" coax speakers in the rear doors, front and sub preouts used)
JL amp and JL 10W6 in a sealed enclosure
Eclipse amp and Focal 165 K2P 6.5" components for front stage.

Pros:
- Very flexible installation. There are many different configurations that the head unit can be installed in. I haven't bought a head unit in a LONG time, so they all may be like this now, but I was really surprised to find that the rear speaker outputs could be not only set as dedicated subwoofer outputs, but they can actually be bridged to give you 70W peak into 2ohms! Of course the front speakers can be high pass at the same time. It also has three pair of 4V/100ohm pre-outs.

- Two customizable EQ settings. Along with the standard "Powerful," "Vocal," etc... preset EQ's, there are two custom EQ curves that can be set independently. Only 7 band though.

-independently adjustable X-over points for HP and LP, with 7 points each I think. On the same screen as the LP X-over freq is the sub level. Left and right is X-over freq, and up and down is sub level from -25 to +6db with a dedicated button on the HU to access this screen. Very handy.

- Source level adjustment for each source, based on FM level.

- iPod navigation is fast and menus are used as they are on the iPod... for the most part.

Cons:
- Sound quality could be better. There's definitely an audible hiss, although I do have a slight ground loop between the HU and my amps. I'm working on getting a Zapco amp to power my focal's instead of the Eclipse I have now, so if I do, and use their balanced input converter setup, I'll be able to say for sure weather it's coming from the pioneer or not. The internal amp is spec'd at 5% THD (!!!!) but it doesn't say anything about the pre-outs, or give a SNR for the USB section. It's 94db for the CD player though.

- While the ipod navigation is good, the actual head unit's menu system is a serious PITA to navigate with the commander knob. Maybe I just need to read the manual, but it really gets confusing how to change certain settings, even when you're on the screen that shows them. Using the 5-way joystick on the remote is MUCH more straight forward IMO.

- No continuous list scroll. You either twist the rotary encoder (one click per item) or you press it down, or the joystick on the remote down to move down one item. You can't hold it down to scroll. The lists are looped though, so if you want to get to 'W' you just turn the knob to the left from the beginning to back up from the end. There's also a maximum speed between items, so if you crank on the knob too fast, alot of the clicks don't "count".

- No ipod navigation persistance. When navigating through lists on the ipod, you can go up and down levels just as you would on the ipod, and when you select a song to play, it just stays in the list and you maintain your browsing history. But if you go back to the now playing screen with the current song and album and such, if you reenter the ipod navigation, you start back at the beginning of every list (which from the top menu, playlists is selected). This compounds the no continuous scroll problem as now you have to do it EVERY time you want to pick something else.

- No album / artist / genre selection. On the ipod by itself, if you just want to queue up all songs by a particular artist, you just highlight the artist, and hit play. Same with genres. On the pioneer, you have to get all the way to the song list before you can make a selection, which means the most you can have queued up at one time is either one album, or everything. If you just want to go to the next album by the same artist, you have to start over and start cranking on the wheel again.


Personal conclusion:
Overall, I'm disappointed in a lot of ways. I was really hoping that they got it right this time, but I guess that's what I get for being an optimist. One of my co-workers just ordered the iDA-X001 for his Mini from Crutchfield and should have it installed this week sometime. I'm sure I'm going to like it more than the pioneer, but I don't think I'm going to like it enough to switch. iPod integration keeps improving year to year, so I'm probably just going to wait.
post #45 of 74
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Originally Posted by isamu View Post

2)Can the Alpine iDA-X001 read normal 3.5 inch 500GB external USB drives?

Yes, it can support that. The problem I see is that the unit must recognize the drive EVERY time you turn the car off then on.

I know the delay for a 2GB drive loaded with ~200~300 songs is already ~5~10 seconds

So extract that out over 500GB and you're waiting a couple minutes before you can play music. LOL

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Originally Posted by isamu View Post

If the iDA-X001 doesn't read FLAC files, I would be forced to rip my entire colletion to WAV. The unit *does* read wav files, right?

Not sure if it reads Flac. If it doesn't go with either WMA Lossless or MP3 Lossless.
post #46 of 74
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Originally Posted by poormanq45 View Post

Not sure if it reads Flac. If it doesn't go with either WMA Lossless or MP3 Lossless.

No such thing as a lossless MP3.
post #47 of 74
Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah no such thing as mp3 lossless. Perhaps you meant Monkey Audio?

I'm going to copy and paste a reply I posted to a guy on the caraudio.com forums yesterday and want to get your opinion it:


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Originally Posted by clone View Post


The thing I am noticing is that these usb heads are mostly geared to thumb/flash drives and ipod. It's too bad as I'd much rather just get a 200gig drive and put all my music in a lossless codec of some type.

I guess until the mainstream moves from CDs and Ipods, that will be the focus. I'd sure like a unit that handled FLAC or some of the other nice codecs so we'd at least have the option of doing lossless, etc.


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Originally Posted by Isamu View Post


clone.... I cannot tell you how much I feel your pain, brother. I am in the same boat as many of you guys. I want an HU that can read FLAC or ALAC through an external HD and the fact that none exist is a real bummer.

I have been debating whether to install a CarPC with full blown Windows OS or a standard Head Unit in my Mercedes Benz. I was THIS close to deciding on an HU(probably the Alpine iDA-X001) because of its ease of use.

But after doing more research and especially after reading this thread, I am just ready to give up on head units and will probably go for the full blown CarPC. I have over 800 CDs! And the cumbersomeness of navigating through my entire library, as well as lack of playlist support is the dealbreaker for me. Not to mention how small the screen is compared to a nice 7" touchscreen.

After talking to one of the installers at Phantom Electronics today, I was told that I could get a pc installed in the trunk of my ride without any problems. I'm looking at around $3500-$4500 for the complete overhaul including speakers and amp but you know what? Given the ENORMOUS versatility a software player like WinAmp offers you over a dedicated HU, I'd say the extra bucks is well worth it. And no, I'm not rich...not by a LONGSHOT!

Until these head unit makers get their act together, a pc is the way to go IMHO.

Thoughts?
post #48 of 74
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Originally Posted by armygreen11 View Post

No such thing as a lossless MP3.

I know, it's know of an oxymoron. There is a "lossless" MP3. It's ~600~700kbps or something like that.

Not truely lossless, but in a car it is damn near CD quality
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post #51 of 74
Hey quick question to anyone out there...

Has anyone purchased one of these no-name Pioneer IP-Bus to RCA adapters on ebay? They are like 14 bucks shipped and I want to make sure that they work fine or if I should go OEM.

Thanks!
post #52 of 74
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Originally Posted by poormanq45 View Post

I know, it's know of an oxymoron. There is a "lossless" MP3. It's ~600~700kbps or something like that.

Not truely lossless, but in a car it is damn near CD quality

The highest bitrate of an MP3 is 320kbps. AAC's at 128k sound better than those. itunes does lossless in the form of Apple Lossless, and it's up around 700-900kbps. Maybe that's what you were thinking. MP3's are 12+ year old technology and the absolute best you can do (EAC, LAME encoder...) still sounds like crap compared to a CD on any decent stereo.
post #53 of 74
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Originally Posted by dleising View Post

Hey quick question to anyone out there...

Has anyone purchased one of these no-name Pioneer IP-Bus to RCA adapters on ebay? They are like 14 bucks shipped and I want to make sure that they work fine or if I should go OEM.

Thanks!

The Pioneer IP-bus, Alpine Ai-Net, and most all the other proprietary interfaces that were made for changers, have analog audio on them, so it's as easy as tapping into the analog, and probably putting a specific value resistor across the control lines to make the HU think that there's something there. I've never used one, but I'd say that they probably work just as good as any line input.
post #54 of 74
I just had the Pioneer DEH-P4900IB and the CDI200 cable installed within a few days of eachother. I can say safely say that the response times for the ipod control from the deck and remote were and are nearly as fast as actual ipod control.
post #55 of 74
I just had a Pioneer Premier DEH-P590IB installed in my car. This is virtually the same unit as the 690UB (armygreen11 reviewed above) above but it has an iPod cable insted of a USB cable. I couldn't find any other differences.

I just wanted to make a couple comments on my experiences.

At first the navigation is confusing, as are the controls and how to get things done. Reading the manual and just trying different things corrected many of the problems I ran into. Once you get use to the controls you can get make changes very quickly.

Ipod navigation. I generally like how the controls work. Pick your playlist, artist, genre, and go. This unit works great for getting right to an album and listening. If you use playlists you can very quickly get to a playlist and you are good to go.
I had been using the iPod plugged into my old headunit via an aux input out of the headphone jack. I can find a song just as quickly with the Pioneer interface as I can with the iPod interface and I got rid of the need to handle the iPod once it was plugged in.

Problems I've run into... When you are jumping around from song to song, you need to hit list, choose artist, choose the album, choose the song. Then start the process over for the next song. I wish you could just back out of the artist you are on at any point, but the way it is you have about 20 seconds to back out and choose a different song. Again make a playlist and you will not have this problem.
No specific Podcast option on the menu. I don't get this, it's on the iPod why is it not on the Pioneer menu?

I have the headunit connected to a 4 channel amp and a mono sub amp. I am not using the Headunits amp at all. I do not hear any hiss or noise in my system. I was worried about this because of the above review and I've not been a big fan of Pioneer. I have some Polk Audio 6 1/2" Components and Polk 6x9's and a Memphis Audio 12" sub, I've never had a better sounding car audio system.

I would just like to say, if you are not real picky about the navigation and can live without the album art (on the alpine), please check out this Headunit. I think it was a great deal at $219, and it gets the job done for me.
post #56 of 74
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Originally Posted by am_pcguy View Post

I just had a Pioneer Premier DEH-P590IB installed in my car. This is virtually the same unit as the 690UB (armygreen11 reviewed above) above but it has an iPod cable insted of a USB cable. I couldn't find any other differences.

I just wanted to make a couple comments on my experiences.

At first the navigation is confusing, as are the controls and how to get things done. Reading the manual and just trying different things corrected many of the problems I ran into. Once you get use to the controls you can get make changes very quickly.

Ipod navigation. I generally like how the controls work. Pick your playlist, artist, genre, and go. This unit works great for getting right to an album and listening. If you use playlists you can very quickly get to a playlist and you are good to go.
I had been using the iPod plugged into my old headunit via an aux input out of the headphone jack. I can find a song just as quickly with the Pioneer interface as I can with the iPod interface and I got rid of the need to handle the iPod once it was plugged in.

Problems I've run into... When you are jumping around from song to song, you need to hit list, choose artist, choose the album, choose the song. Then start the process over for the next song. I wish you could just back out of the artist you are on at any point, but the way it is you have about 20 seconds to back out and choose a different song. Again make a playlist and you will not have this problem.
No specific Podcast option on the menu. I don't get this, it's on the iPod why is it not on the Pioneer menu?

I have the headunit connected to a 4 channel amp and a mono sub amp. I am not using the Headunits amp at all. I do not hear any hiss or noise in my system. I was worried about this because of the above review and I've not been a big fan of Pioneer. I have some Polk Audio 6 1/2" Components and Polk 6x9's and a Memphis Audio 12" sub, I've never had a better sounding car audio system.

I would just like to say, if you are not real picky about the navigation and can live without the album art (on the alpine), please check out this Headunit. I think it was a great deal at $219, and it gets the job done for me.

I just got the same unit and like it a lot, but have 1 question:

Is there a better way to scroll through albums/artists, etc. ?
post #57 of 74
Hello guys,

I currently own a 9885 and am quite happy with it, but I'd love to use an iDA-X001 for the screen and the DACs. I have all my music in ALAC, but I'd like to know if someone has tested ALAC in this uint. I ask since I've found no reference that it certainly does, and when I tried feeding my 9885 with a CD that had a mix of ALAC and MP3 it couldn't decode the ALAC files. Obviously using it via teh ipod cable has no problems since it is decoded by the ipod and fed via analog lines.

So, has anyone of you tried the iDA-X001 with ALAC?
post #58 of 74
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Originally Posted by Snatcher View Post

Hello guys,

I currently own a 9885 and am quite happy with it, but I'd love to use an iDA-X001 for the screen and the DACs. I have all my music in ALAC, but I'd like to know if someone has tested ALAC in this uint. I ask since I've found no reference that it certainly does, and when I tried feeding my 9885 with a CD that had a mix of ALAC and MP3 it couldn't decode the ALAC files. Obviously using it via teh ipod cable has no problems since it is decoded by the ipod and fed via analog lines.

So, has anyone of you tried the iDA-X001 with ALAC?

Yes, it works fine, I'm using a 5G iPod(80GB). Also works with AIFF files.

I've had the iDA-X001 for about 3 weeks and it takes a little getting used to. I really would like more remote control functionality, as it is, only moving forward and backward through the current playlist/album, pause, mute and volume are available. To be able to move back to the listings and make a selection would be nice.

The 2 volt output has required that I re-adjust the amplifiers sensitivity as my previous Pioneer had 5v outputs, and I'm just not sure I'm getting it how I want it, it seems to lack a bit of dynamic range when compared to the Pio, but that could be the iPod itself, I'm not sure. I will say that some material does sound very good so I know it's possible to get some great sound with this setup, I just have do some more fiddling. The Pio had all sorts of DSP functionality which may have been giving me a "false" sound when compared to the Alpine as it is currently set pretty much at flat. The Alpine has very little in the way of sound customizing(DSP,etc.), and while purists may say that flat response is desirable, we're talking about a car, and IMO, whatever allows it to sound "good" works for me, and the Apline just doesn't give that ability, so far.

I think it's a great first effort, but in future models I would love to see much more functionality regarding song/list selection, and the ability to customize the sound a bit more.

The display is fantastic, readable in just about any light situation it's been subjected to so far, all car head units should use this tech as far as I'm concerned, compared to the iDA-X001 display, all others look pathetic. A bit more customizing on how and what it displays would be nice, such as removing the album art in the song/album/artist display mode would be nice, and allow the clock to be seen on the album art-only display mode, and/or a rotating sequence of all the display modes would be nice.

Those that have never used a remote with a car stereo may have no problem with the iDA-X001, selections, etc, but myself having used one for years, it's taking some getting used to.

Just some thoughts anyway...
post #59 of 74
Thanks for your reply keenan, it is very useful since I have not been able to track posts from people actually using the HU.

I didn't know it was 2V, I assumed it was 4V. That might be an issue for me as well, since the 9885 does 4v... (I love playing with gains and a multimeter anyway).

BTW, have you checked unicode support? The 9885 doesn't display characters in Japanese or other languages, do you happen to have tracks or album titles that are in UTF8? I am interested in that since I have a lot of Japanese soundtracks. In case the American HU doesn't, I'll need to import a Japanese one...

I am also not that happy about not having a CD player, even if I never use it I like to have the option available.
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Thanks for your reply keenan, it is very useful since I have not been able to track posts from people actually using the HU.

I didn't know it was 2V, I assumed it was 4V. That might be an issue for me as well, since the 9885 does 4v... (I love playing with gains and a multimeter anyway).

BTW, have you checked unicode support? The 9885 doesn't display characters in Japanese or other languages, do you happen to have tracks or album titles that are in UTF8? I am interested in that since I have a lot of Japanese soundtracks. In case the American HU doesn't, I'll need to import a Japanese one...

I am also not that happy about not having a CD player, even if I never use it I like to have the option available.

Yeah, the 2v output thing has me a bit bothered, I've heard from the Alpine dealer that it's not a problem(go figure ) and the Pioneer dealer says it is a problem, specifically for the reasons I mentioned above. If it isn't an issue, then why do the upper model Alpine have a higher output??

Not sure about unicode, I can try and see if it will take something with Japanese characters, but I'm not sure if I have anything that would work.

I agree about the CD player, for $400 list the thing should have had a CD player in it. Personally, I think the iDA-X001 is overpriced by about $100-$150, but it is unique so far on the market, so it's going to have that exclusivity boosting the price. It will control a CD changer through Alpine's AI-net thing.
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