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Brand New Xplode 1100W Subs...crackling with old reciever.

post #1 of 18
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i recently fired my grandparents old Marantz 2238B reciever they had replaced a few years ago. thought i would give it a try and see how it worked, well it started out really fuzzy when i turned the dials and the buttons often did not work unless you played with em ya know. so i got some contact cleaner and took it all apart and sprayed every dial and button connection i could see. to my surprised self, it worked very well. clear sound and no distortion when moving any dials. i don't know what the watt output is for each speaker channel, but i also hooked up some three way speakers. each speaker box stands 24 inches high, 12 inches deep, and 14 inches wide. the original subs were shot, so i replaced them with these 10" Xplodes rated at 1100 watts max power for each. now i had pearl harbor in and it sounded phenominal. better than anything i ever heard. some moments in the show though, and not necessarily bombings or explosions, but mainly the music level and that such thing, sometimes plane engines would make the subs bottom out. why the hell are they bottoming out? i know each channel on this reciever is not putting out more than the sub can handle. i turn the bass down but i don't want to do that because then the movie aint worth watching ya know. whats my problem here? thanks!
post #2 of 18
Off topic, but why don't you capitalize your I's ?
post #3 of 18
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Off topic, but why don't you capitalize your I's ?

It's not just the "I"s. I don't think ANY letters are capitalized in the body of the post. If it weren't for the title, I would just assume his caps key was broken. At least his topic <> his handle.
post #4 of 18
You replaced the woofers in some unnamed old speakers with Sony Xplod 10" car subs. I can't image that working very well. Describe the speakers better. A manufacturer and model number might help. Simply describing the other drivers (e.g. 5" paper midrange, and a 2" paper tweeter) would also help.

It is extremely unlikely that you bottomed out the (sub)woofers, so it is probably something else making the noise. Perhaps a test tone CD would help identify the frequency where the problem occurs.

However, this project seems fairly hopeless, so you might just decide it isn't worth the trouble, sell the subs, and buy some budget-priced new speakers. The Insignia NS-B2111 from Best Buy sound okay for $40 with local pick-up. And that might leave enough to buy a true sub with speaker-level inputs (so you can connect it to the old receiver, which is very unlikely to have a separate sub-out connector).

-Max
post #5 of 18
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Off topic, but why don't you capitalize your I's ?

Staying off topic. Andrewski is probably a blogger. They often don't capitalize to save keystrokes. You don't have to push the shift key. But everyone gets the idea.
post #6 of 18
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Staying off topic. Andrewski is probably a blogger. They often don't capitalize to save keystrokes. You don't have to push the shift key. But everyone gets the idea.

Yeah, many bloggers are too busy writing all those inane blogs to bother with trivialities like capitalization.
post #7 of 18
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reminds me of "leet speek"
post #8 of 18
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man...you know, i looked at this post and thought the people had a lot of knowledge and knowhow to help out people like me and people who needed help with certain subjects. but in reality, you all don't care to help us but make us feel lower because of they way we type our posts???? i can't believe people like you exist. be professional please.
post #9 of 18
Andrewski,

In short, the speakers you pulled the woofers from have crossovers in them to separate the sound from the reciever by frequency and send it to the appropriate drivers- ie woofers get the lows, tweeters get the highs. The cross over is designed to be used with the specific drivers original to the speaker. By swapping out the original woofers (they probably aren't subwoofers as you say) for those Xplode subs, you altered the behavior of the speaker, and it is very unlikely that the new woofers blend very with the the remaining orginal drivers in the speakers, and you probably have certain frequencies that are not being reproduced at all. Also, depending on how loud you are listening to your material, you are likely driving the receiver into clipping (distortion) since it likely does not have enough power to drive your new "Frankenspeakers".

That being said, if you like the way your speakers sound, than great for you. But realize a properly designed speaker, whether from a store or DIY will definitely sound much better. Sorry for the abuse you took for your post.
post #10 of 18
The Xplodes are not designed to take the abuse of HT. They're for autos and nothing else. Your better off getting a seperate powered sub.
post #11 of 18
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i can't believe people like you exist.

You mean people who give their time free of charge to help people with audio and video problems?

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be professional please.

Most of us are professionals. Maybe not in the A/V world but in our normal jobs. That's why we appreciate at least an attempt at proper grammer and punctuation. In fact, you will get more responses that way. The only thing that kept my interest in this thread was the fact that you attempted a speaker modification.

Like vitod and phillyfisher posted, the Xplodes aren't that great. And by putting them in a speaker that is not designed to work with them, unexpected results occured. I don't agree with phillyfisher in that you can't bottom the Xplodes. We don't have enough information concerning your enclosure and tuning frequency to eliminate that possiblity. Just to warn you - one of these times you bottom out those speakers, the voice coil with short out. That will destroy the usability of the driver and probably take the amp with it.

-Robert
post #12 of 18
Hi Robert,

I don't think he knows Fs, tuning and all that good stuff. I think he wants a simple answer. I remember doing things like that in my yesteryear. I've come a long way.
Still learning though.
post #13 of 18
I agree with Robert, you could bottom out those xplodes, (it was maxcooper that said it was unlikely) especially since you are likely clipping the receiver. Btw, that is a pretty good vintage receiver. It is 38w/ch.

http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/2238b.html

Don't blow it up with your frankenspeakers, that would be a real shame. Do yourself a favor, either buy some new speakers, or research the old ones, they may be worth repairing. Actually post what they are here:

http://forums.audioreview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=57

Someone there can likely tell you more about them.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by andrewski View Post

man...you know, i looked at this post and thought the people had a lot of knowledge and knowhow to help out people like me and people who needed help with certain subjects. but in reality, you all don't care to help us but make us feel lower because of they way we type our posts???? i can't believe people like you exist. be professional please.


Professional?
You want help, I understand. that doesn't change the fact that you should TRY to use proper grammar and such. Try and be professional.

Clay
post #15 of 18
Andrew "Ski" or what ever you nickname is,like was said you have now created FrankenXplod speakers.

What this tells me is there is a very real mismatch and non linearity.Also by driving this new "things" with a receiver that does not have loads of "juice" you may run the amp into the dander zone(clipping) and damage both the FrankenXplod's and you receiver's amp section.Plus the resistance of these woofers is unlike the resistance presented by the original woofer.


I would look at Axiom speakers as they are inexpensive and deliver the goods ,and another option would be AV123's X line of speakers and sub,low cost and great built and sound quality.

There is no miracle answer,and the info you provided is the same info I can get to guess winning lottery numbers!
post #16 of 18
Everyone is being nice in there posts what they are really trying to say is that sony xplodes are the biggest piles you can buy. First, they aren't made for home use and second the speakers shouldnt even be used for car use cause they are that bad. The box is probably way too big and with even just 25 watts ur probably bottoming out the speakers. Also those speakers cant handle 1100W. Maximum wattage is a useless rating and means nothing. I bet those speakers could blow with 50-75 watts.

To really get to the point stop using those crap speakers with a nice receiver, because theres a good possibility you can harm that receiver.

Have a good day.
post #17 of 18
If you really want to salvage those old speakers and not damage the marantz try contacting www.partsexpress.com ,
They have a great tech department that can sell and provide the proper drivers for those speaker cabinets that can really be a good investment with suprisingly great results...
post #18 of 18
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you may run the amp into the dander zone(clipping)

"I turned it up and there were flakes everywhere!" jk

I guess I was off the mark about bottoming the new (sub)woofers. To the OP, you can't just swap in any old woofer in place of the old ones. That approach to "fixing" a speaker just doesn't work.

-Max
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