AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › Subwoofer recommendation needed for a room with 9600 cubic feet
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Subwoofer recommendation needed for a room with 9600 cubic feet

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
As you'll see from this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=778236) currently I have (1) Klipsch RT-10d setup in our 30x20x16 ft. room and obviously need a different setup from what I'm hearing from members in that thread. My budget is $2K which leaves me forking over another $900 after selling my RT-10d for what I believe I might be able to get around $1,100. So for $2K what do you guys recommend I buy? I'm thinking the Velodyne SMS-1 for $599 and then two subwoofers at $700 a piece. Also, does anyone know where I could purchase a used Velodyne SMS-1 system and how much I should expect to pay for a used one?

Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 30
Denon, for a room that size, I would be looking for at least two relatively powerful subwoofers. You can find good used equipment at Audiogon, Ebay, etc, and a standard used price is usually 1/2-2/3 of the regular price.

Hope this helps!
post #3 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Marcks View Post

Denon, for a room that size, I would be looking for at least two relatively powerful subwoofers. You can find good used equipment at Audiogon, Ebay, etc, and a standard used price is usually 1/2-2/3 of the regular price.

Hope this helps!

Peter, any subs in particular that you'd recommend around the $700 price point?
post #4 of 30
Dual VTF3MK3's... about 1500 delivered, a couple more for the turbos. I am sure SVS has the equivalent in a tidier box but will cost more. New subs hitting the market, may want to wait as its a big investment.

Anka
post #5 of 30
I have exactly the same dimensions in my room and ordered two SVS PB-12 Plus2 subs. That is what SVS reccomended for that much cubic footage. It comes to a little over your budget though as each sub is $1199 I believe. I haven't yet hooked them up as the theater is not finished so I can't give you first hand expierence of how it sounds. These are very large subs so you have to have the room for them. http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus2.cfm

weatherby
post #6 of 30
you could fill that room easily with 1 PB12-Ultra 2 or wait to see what they offer up at CES next week...
I just bought 1 PB12-Plus/2 for 8200 Cu. Ft.. and it fills my room up just fine.. at 1/3 gain.

Plenty Loud...
post #7 of 30
Thread Starter 
OK, here's what it's down to at this point:

1. (2) SVS PB12-NSD/2's
Price: $1,789.20 with shipping
2. (2) HSU VTF-3 HO's
Price: $1,888.60 with shipping
3. (1) SVS PB-12-Ultra/2
Price: $2,114.10

What do you guys think I should go with?
post #8 of 30
I think you are right on with #1 and #2. A couple of other options looks at 4, Hsu VTF2-MK3's. That will come in right at your budget and probably have more ultimate output than the first two, perhaps not quite at deep. Any of those options will be highly impressive and an enormous step up over what you had. Best of luck.
post #9 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denon2807 View Post

OK, here's what it's down to at this point:

1. (2) SVS PB12-NSD/2's
Price: $1,789.20 with shipping
2. (2) HSU VTF-3 HO's
Price: $1,888.60 with shipping
3. (1) SVS PB-12-Ultra/2
Price: $2,114.10

What do you guys think I should go with?


I would go with #2.
post #10 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsheldon View Post

I think you are right on with #1 and #2. A couple of other options looks at 4, Hsu VTF2-MK3's. That will come in right at your budget and probably have more ultimate output than the first two, perhaps not quite at deep. Any of those options will be highly impressive and an enormous step up over what you had. Best of luck.

I don't have room for 4 subwoofers, otherwise I'd do it. Two is the limit for my room without changing the fungshway of the room.
post #11 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denon2807 View Post

I don't have room for 4 subwoofers, otherwise I'd do it. Two is the limit for my room without changing the fungshway of the room.

If you stack them all the way to the ceiling, it should be fine

I was storming in here about to recommend 2 JL F113, but then I saw the budget

HSU HO pair is probably your best bet. Add in a good parametric eq.
post #12 of 30
Thread Starter 
The only reason I'm leaning away from the HSU HO is because it simply looks ugly. SVS knows how to make an attractive looking sub, that's for sure.
post #13 of 30
The appearance of the subwoofer is quite good in person, in my opinion. The width is minimized for a nice profile, and the height is the ideal endtable height. The base enclosure is actually substantially smaller than some of the others mentioned here (up to 5" shorter, 3" less deep, and 2" less width in comparison). Turbocharger is also purely optional, and removeable too.
post #14 of 30
Thread Starter 
What if I went with (1) SVS PB12-NSD/2 and (1) HSU VTF-3 HO and placed the HSU in the front right corner of the room and the SVS next to the couch? Would that be odd to do because they are two different sub's? What do you guys think?
post #15 of 30
Thread Starter 
Rather this might be a better idea which Peter Marcks recommended:

(1) HSU VTF-HO in the front right corner of the room
and then
(1) HSU MBM-12 next to the couch

What do you guys think? Peter didn't give me the details on why he recommends an MBM-12 and VTF-3 HO together instead of (2) VTF-3 HO's so I'm interested in hearing what you guys think about that combination.
post #16 of 30
Thread Starter 
OK, here's what it's down to now:

1. (1) SVS PB12-NSD/2 (next to couch) + (1) HSU VTF-3 HO (front right corner of room)
Price: $1,977.00 with shipping
2. (1) HSU VTF-3 HO (front right corner of room) + (1) HSU MBM-12 (next to couch)
Price: $1,405.00 with shipping

OR

3. (1) SVS PB12-Plus (front right corner of room) + (1) HSU MBM-12 (next to couch)
Price: $1,524 with shipping
4. (1) SVS PB12-Plus (next to couch) + (1) HSU VTF-3 HO (front right corner of room)
Price: $2,077.00 with shipping

Should I be pairing two different brand subs together to begin with? Are there negatives to doing that?

What do you guys think I should go with? I'm ready to buy either setup that you guys feel would give me the most bass for my large room. I'm leaning towards one of the PB12-Plus configurations though as that way I could have at least one of the two subs that look stunning, even if the HSU isn't all that ugly in person.
post #17 of 30
If you want the combination of excellent high output, good looks, and terrific articulation ... based on our experience here (our family room is 27x24 with 16 foot vaulted ceilings and has 2 large openings into a 32 x 24 foot kitchen), A PB12-Plus/2 in your choice of finish, and run in the all ports open, 25 Hz mode, AND the MBM-12 would make a very nice $2000 subwoofer package for you.
post #18 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denon2807 View Post


Should I be pairing two different brand subs together to begin with? Are there negatives to doing that?

It depends whether the frequency responses of the subs are similar or not. You can pair two different brand subs with similar/identical frequency responses, but ones with different responses shouldn't be paired up. That will cause some phase and frequency response issues. Naturally the HSU MBM-12 can be paired up with almost any kind of "full range" subwoofer, assuming correct filtering will be used.

SVS PB12-ISD/2 and HSU HO can not be succesfully paired up. You should go with two subs of each.

Quote:


What do you guys think I should go with? I'm ready to buy either setup that you guys feel would give me the most bass for my large room. I'm leaning towards one of the PB12-Plus configurations though as that way I could have at least one of the two subs that look stunning, even if the HSU isn't all that ugly in person.

I wouldn't call HSU subs ugly in person, though SVS cabinets are prettier. Unless you are a desing freak, I think you are happy with either one.

I don't know you typical listening levels, but your room size suggest at least two subwoofers (+6 dB over single when co-located). With $2000 budget I would go with two HSU VTF-3 MK3 and the Velodyne SMS-1, but that's just me.

I can go into more detail why I would choose that if you PM me.
post #19 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Mayer View Post

It depends whether the frequency responses of the subs are similar or not. You can pair two different brand subs with similar/identical frequency responses, but ones with different responses shouldn't be paired up. That will cause some phase and frequency response issues.

SVS PB12-ISD/2 and HSU HO can not be succesfully paired up. You should go with two subs of each.


I wouldn't call HSU subs ugly in person, though SVS cabinets are prettier. Unless you are a desing freak, I think you are happy with either one.

I don't know you typical listening levels, but your room size suggest at least two subwoofers (+6 dB over single when co-located). With $2000 budget I would go with two HSU VTF-3 MK3 and the Velodyne SMS-1, but that's just me.

I can go into more detail why I would choose that if you PM me.

Richard, You are quite correct that mixing full range subs from either company is a bad idea.

As for design freaks, I am married to one (one of her nicknames is "she who decorates"), and she says nothing about the look of my subs in 2 of 3 of our theater areas.

For our family room, she picked the Cherry PB12-Plus/2 , the Piano Gloss DD-18 or the Piano Gloss Fathom 113.

The Hsu, while a great performer, is not a furniture grade look. I like it ... but apparently I am not her idea of a great designer ...
post #20 of 30
My home theater occupies ½ of an 11,000 ft³ open (no interior walls) room. One JBL E150P 10" 150-Watt Front-Firing Powered Subwoofer + eight Aura Seat Shaker Pros (SmartHome # 8249P) do a great job for me. I am quite happy with this setup, and all my "audiences" have been very impressed.
If you feel the need for more oomph, consider the JBL SUB 12 Venue Series 12" 500-Watt Powered Subwoofer ($250 delivered from B&H).
post #21 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

If you want the combination of excellent high output, good looks, and terrific articulation ... based on our experience here (our family room is 27x24 with 16 foot vaulted ceilings and has 2 large openings into a 32 x 24 foot kitchen), A PB12-Plus/2 in your choice of finish, and run in the all ports open, 25 Hz mode, AND the MBM-12 would make a very nice $2000 subwoofer package for you.

Hmmmm... so the SVS PB12-Plus/2 and HSU MBM-12 can be paired up without the consequences that Richard is talking about? If so, I think that might be the setup I go with. And to be clear, the PB12-Plus/2 should be placed in the front right corner of the room with the MBM-12 right next to the couch, right? In each location which direction should each sub be facing? Thanks!!!

BTW: Are you living in my house or something? Your family room sounds almost identical to mind, except that mine is 30x20 feet. The reason I say that is because we too have 16 foot vaulted ceilings and 2 large openings into a kitchen that is 25x15 feet.
post #22 of 30
I apologize if I missed it, but what Klipsch speakers are you currently running?
post #23 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockemsockem View Post

I apologize if I missed it, but what Klipsch speakers are you currently running?

RF-62 Floorstandings + RC-64 Center + RS-52 Surrounds + (soon to come) RS-42 Side Surrounds
post #24 of 30
I just hooked a co-workers system that had RF-52's, RC-52, and RS-52..

Personally, I would skip on the MBM-12 initially, and just the the most subwoofer you with your budget, whether it's 1,2, or 3.
post #25 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockemsockem View Post

I just hooked a co-workers system that had RF-52's, RC-52, and RS-52..

Personally, I would skip on the MBM-12 initially, and just the the most subwoofer you with your budget, whether it's 1,2, or 3.

Why would you skip the MBM-12?
post #26 of 30
Thread Starter 
OK, It's done! Just ordered a PB12-Plus/2 in Rosewood from SVS and a MBM-12 from HSU. I leave for CES on Monday and hopefully both will be waiting at my door for me when I return on Friday. Can't wait!

Thanks so much for all of your help guys! I'll be sure to let you all know how these two subs work out for me.
post #27 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denon2807 View Post

Thanks so much for all of your help guys! I'll be sure to let you all know how these two subs work out for me.

No offense, but when you give us your impressions, please do it in just one thread, this is the third time I have read that you ordered your subs each in a different thread.

I know how exciting it is to get new toys and can't wait to upgrade my sub later this year so please don't take my comments as being rude.

Can't wait to hear your impressions though.
post #28 of 30
You will love the PB12-Plus/2. I have a simular room (a bit smaller, but with their two big openings to the kitchen) and the PB12-Plus/2 works great with my Vandersteens.

Have fun!
Jeff
post #29 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denon2807 View Post

Why would you skip the MBM-12?

No no no no and no.

In a room as HUGE as yours,the MBM will add well needed IMPACT,you would have to use multiples of subs more capable than the SVS you are ordering to get.

The MBM is designed to be used close to the listening position,you will get that extra kick,at the tiny price they go for it is a great add on.

Later you may add a second SVS sub,and end up with dual SVS and one MBM.

One dual Plus driver sub does not move the air required in such a huge room,then depends what levels you demand.
post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheEAR View Post

One dual Plus driver sub does not move the air required in such a huge room,then depends what levels you demand.

Am I going to be dissapointed then or will the MBM-12 being there give me plenty of bass?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › Subwoofer recommendation needed for a room with 9600 cubic feet