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Blade Trinity

post #1 of 33
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There should have been a special award category created for this (DVD): "Most twisted, degenerate vampire award". Blade Trinity is hard core dialogue, action, special effects with an awesome DTS 6.1 and DD 6.1 audio track, which is genuine reference quality. Crank it up!!!

Blade Trinity Unrated version UPC 94043-78192
New Line Cinema
post #2 of 33
Unfortunately the plot and script pretty much sucked. The Blade series is in decay. Blade: Trinity was half as good as Blade II which was half as good as Blade. Although I only saw the theatrical cut of the third film it was enough to put it on my "never again" list.

I say this with a good deal of sadness because I like the vampire cinema, and I liked the first film.

Gary
post #3 of 33
I think he was being sarcastic ( ) and forgot to use this emoticon. I was never really into horror, but Blade & Blade II drew me in. But Blade Trinity threw me back out again.
post #4 of 33
The main problem with Blade Trinity is that Dracula was so weak.....he even ran away from Blade.....how weak is that.....The Nightstalkers were strong enough to defeat vampires using their bare hands and a few weapons....once again this was a weak plot point.....Add to the fact Wesley Snipes hated the script and was going through the motions and you have a film which was never going to be good....yep a few good action scenes but overall a very disappointing film and they should have listened to Wesley and never did this script as it was written.....at least make Dracula very evil and twisted and undefeatable ( obviously they can find a way in the end ) First 2 Blade movies were very enjoyable but this one sucked.

Oh one final thing.....too many people just looking at the label and seeing dts and assuming it's better......try Blade 2 with Dolby Digital...sounds just as good and the reason is simple.....pretty much the same mix was used although for some strange reason the bass in the nightclub scene sounds deeper in the Dolby version.
post #5 of 33
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

The main problem with Blade Trinity is that Dracula was so weak.....

....and he learns a new cuss-word despite being over 500-years old .
post #6 of 33
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

....and he learns a new cuss-word despite being over 500-years old .

I learnt a few new ones after watching this terrible movie too.
post #7 of 33
Blade Trinity did a weird number on me- the first time I watched it I actually thought "Hey, this is pretty cool!" Enough so that when it came up for sale previously viewed I bought one. It must have hypnotized me or something. At some point I popped it in to watch it again and I realized it sucked on toast. Although at least Seventh Heaven chick was pretty hot.
post #8 of 33
Trinity truly sucks its the worst of the three. 1 and 2 where good with a 2 a somewhat close second.

The DTS track of 2 is just not right it sounds very thin as a whole very wierd but the suround field is better as is usual in DTS tracks.
post #9 of 33
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

The main problem with Blade Trinity is that Dracula was so weak.....he even ran away from Blade.....how weak is that.....The Nightstalkers were strong enough to defeat vampires using their bare hands and a few weapons....once again this was a weak plot point.....Add to the fact Wesley Snipes hated the script and was going through the motions and you have a film which was never going to be good....yep a few good action scenes but overall a very disappointing film and they should have listened to Wesley and never did this script as it was written.....at least make Dracula very evil and twisted and undefeatable ( obviously they can find a way in the end ) First 2 Blade movies were very enjoyable but this one sucked.

Oh one final thing.....too many people just looking at the label and seeing dts and assuming it's better......try Blade 2 with Dolby Digital...sounds just as good and the reason is simple.....pretty much the same mix was used although for some strange reason the bass in the nightclub scene sounds deeper in the Dolby version.

Snipes was pissed about Blade The Series being done without his involvement. When he protested, the studio essentially wrote him out of the movie and made him a side character.

Sadly, the series would have had potential with Snipes.
post #10 of 33
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Originally Posted by Donnie Eldridge View Post

Snipes was pissed about Blade The Series being done without his involvement. When he protested, the studio essentially wrote him out of the movie and made him a side character.

Ahhh...so that is the reason we rarely see him in BT.
Stupid move on the part of the studio, not to placate him.
Unhappy stars don't give special performances...
post #11 of 33
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Ahhh...so that is the reason we rarely see him in BT.
Stupid move on the part of the studio, not to placate him.
Unhappy stars don't give special performances...

While i am not sure if that story is true (i am not saying that it isn't). I am pretty sure that even if there was more of snipes in the movie the director and script writer would have still made the same mess as they did this time around.
post #12 of 33
LOL!

You're probably right.
post #13 of 33
After doing a little more reading it appears FoxyMulder was more correct than I.

http://www.efilmcritic.com/feature.php?feature=1451
post #14 of 33
Delightful to see this one discussed anew! I have composed more on this film than any other in this FORUM -- don't have time right now to exhume the link, but will.

I truly love this film as well as the entire BLADE series. Amongst my favorites of all time, Trinity is horrible, horrifying and the death knell/final coffin nail to a great, great benchmark franchise in the genre, so it would be easy to resent for killing off something good, but in the Vampire realm, nothing stays dead...? Time will tell, maybe the time Snipes might be doing, will tell him to sign on for another.

I have studied this movie at length -- although even to refer to it as a "movie" is something of a misnomer. It is really closer to a series of leftover clips and bits that the Director did a most admirable job of cobbling together into something that superficially resembles coherence. But it is not ultimately coherent, so to seek that would be to misread your mission on this one.

Enjoy the soundtrack! -- it has a fullness, tightness, impressiveness and, yes, COHERENCE, almost altogether lacking in the inane "story." There is nothing that approaches Blade chasing Dracula (blissful farce!) for dynamic cohesion of beat tempo in any other soundtrack I've been exposed to -- quite literally my reference standard.

I must have seen parts of this movie hundreds of times (ergo, I love it?!!!) Sprawling sloppy pile that it is. And of course Snipes has NEVER been angrier, don't know if that makes him much in the way of an actor as I don't think he was acting, but it is really captured onscreen.

Absolute rubbish! Highly highly recommended!
post #15 of 33
"me? I'm more of a David Hasselhoff fan..." - Hannibal King.

Best line of the whole movie. lol
post #16 of 33
I CAN SCARCELY BELIEVE IT! Doesn't AVS save anything older that a year? I could not find that amazing intitial thread, but for those who have interest, my initial review:



Blade Trinity, aka Blade III, the third of the popular comic book adaptations to the screen, effectively nails the coffin on this series by explicit proclamation but also through the more reliable means of poor box office performance and pronounced decline in the quality of the offering.

In the present outing we are treated to a "best of bits that have worked (not worked) in every action flick for the last ten years" compendium. AT LEAST TEN YEARS! It is an apparent attempt to catalog and regurgitate every hackneyed, overused, overripe sequence that Hollywood must by now keep in computer program form which only awaits the triggering of the "refreshed reordering" button to constitute "anew", ie., different ordering of the same old stuff.

The writing is lazy, weak and just brimming full of the typical disingenuous injecting of dramatic tension and interpersonal conflicts manufactured from thinest air. Dialog, when not downright utterly inane, has not the merest echo of verisimilitude and is dreamt of only in the well-closeted psyches of teenage miscreants under the heading of "false clever bravado that will never see the light of expression", but here it serves only to alienate us from the proceedings and set in relief that we are not a part of the world conceptualized here.

IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT, THE FOLLOWING WILL REVEAL CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE FILM.

May I just give overview of the first two sequences of the (extended version of the) film to buttress the above? Without penetrating too deep, I think our arc-of-expectations is fairly cast by those opening moments.

First scene: out from credits we have two copters overflying a desert region, which overlay informs us is Syria. Modern day we presume because of the modernness of the copters and because we are not told otherwise. Copters are circling a scattering of ancient pyramids. With a flourish of staccato LFE chop, they put down. Insert shot of boots hitting the ground. Pan upward. We see badass one outfitted against the nuke holocaust, machine gun in tow, face obscured by impenetrable face shield. One turns toward the sun and gives it the finger, no one else notices. Crew of six or so ascend the pyramid face. Intercut one crouched in the interior, the others observing. He removes a stone, they descend a stone stairway. Electronic handhelds depict a figure below and just like that, a monster hand comes from out of an antlion-like sandtrap. Suddenly lights are strobing, we see some horned head bellowing -- what did our explorers wake up?!! Omagosh!!

Now I ask, how many times have we seen ALL THIS JAZZ? The copters coming from each side of the frame flying over the camera. The pan from the boots, the handhelds which have mapped the whole interior. Even the monster looks like a reject from the "Yicky Thing That Resided In The Lagoon" from the FIFTIES no less!

This is not to mention that it establishes a pattern of unbelievability that nothing in the movie dispels. I am at pains to point out that especially with comic book fare, great attention to verisimilitude and mindfulness of detail MUST be attended to, to draw us into the fantastic. This is primary, paramount and essential.

Here we have an ancient edifice exposed in the desert, it's historical significance immeasurable, a National treasure of inestimable proportions -- there are no excavation crews, no troops protecting it, no international contingent assembled for its study -- it is just sitting there like it had been deposited by CGI.

Then the hand out of the earth. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED TO SEE THAT?! I could recount its inclusion in Carrie or more recently RE2, but it has seen a billion manifestations, we are all quite familiar.

The monster later tells us they should not have woke him up, but what did they do to wake him up? Enter? Didn't the archaeological diggers do that? Or again, are we to assume only this crew has ever discovered this conspicuous piece of history.

I know it must seem as if I am belaboring an already stillborn bit, but this is the first scene! Our expectations are now set and are never again to be challenged.

We then go from the inexplicable strobing of the monster reveal to a talk show setting. What are these people talking about? I defy anyone to make sense of this gibberish. This has got to rank amongst the worst conceptualizing/execution of dialog EVER. I am even somewhat mystified about what they were shooting for.

The host introduces his guests as a book writer so-and-so and "Chief of Police so-and-so". First of all, even locally, we WILL ALWAYS be told what city or entity he is Chief of Police of -- to not do so introduces falseness and smacks us in the face with unreality. Talk show host goes on to ask author if he studied under two disciplines. He responds "Yes, and for a reason..." -- he was not prompted for what follows, it feels totally unnatural, looks staged, is poorly acted. Author proceeds undaunted talking about human health. Then! -- holy non-sequiturs Batman! -- talk show host is asking what this all has to do with vampires -- AND! AUTHOR EXPLAINS! -- no set up, no foundation, makes no sense anyway in his explanation. We suddenly then truncate comments of author and turn to Police Chief, who is also asked about vampires -- not the obvious question of what is he doing there at all. Chief makes joke, host deadpans -- it is not funny, but we are supposed to think his not finding it funny is funny. It is not.

I watched that scene over about four times. I cannot think of a worse example of screen writing or acting for that matter. It has the feel of a scene where all the essential exposition has been excised. Makes no sense. What is it doing here? What world does it reveal to us? Why are they talking about vampires -- has there been some mention in author's book or recent incident in Police Chief's city? My guess is that the script writer threw this in because it looks similar to crap we've seen a million times and he never expected we might question what this means. Worse, he may have had no idea what it meant himself, but was never prompted to question its inclusion here because plot or story just seems extrinsic to this whole project.

These were the first two scenes. It improves only slightly as we are treated to more action and LFE to console us in our mourning the death of the once noble and venerable Blade series, the bereavement of plot, script and acting.

To be fair, some of the action scenes are impressively mounted, did require some modicum of planning and are somewhat stylish, but some of the fight sequences, notably one involving Triple H are shockingly pathetic and appear to be the type of thing you would see in an extra feature -- the actors blocking out the actions they will be performing in telegraphed, stylized, non-contact gestures. These scenes are even complete with the idiotic looking whiff punches that strike only air. You would think a pro wrestler would be well versed in fake action, but he is the worst of the lot here, his stubby limbs jabbing pathetically at space like a tethered toddler.

I had nothing but contempt for the Ryan Reynolds character whose strained, painful attempts at schoolboy insolence -- repartee with an edge (OOOOOOH!) -- seem nothing but awkward, ill-fitting, poorly adapted to this setting and should have embarrassed him straight out of this project. All other attempts at stylish knowing winks at the audience fall flat in complete rigor the moment of inception. To wit the bit when the captured Reynolds predicts his imminent rescue to the very moment, then has to backtrack, by saying "This is awkward, got a cell-phone?" to his captors when the rescue fails to materialize exactly on cue. Rough stuff.

I would however herein like to counter the assertions that I read prior to this DVD purchase, that the soundtrack was limp and not punchy enough. WRONG! Dead wrong. This flick has LFE galore and some of the punchiest, most dynamic, percussion driven hip-hop centered offerings I've yet encountered (DD 5.1). It hardly takes a break from solid, authoritative bass content and as such, since that is my main delight in a movie such as this, I am elated I ignored what I'd read and purchased this gem.

If you are like me and don't mind so much the idiotic, inane and even irritating elements of plot, writing, acting, dialog, trite storyboarding, etc., etc., etc., as long as yer ears get pummeled, then this may be one for you. Highly recommended. Don't say I didn't warn you about that other stuff though.
post #17 of 33
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Originally Posted by FredProgGH View Post

Blade Trinity did a weird number on me- the first time I watched it I actually thought "Hey, this is pretty cool!" Enough so that when it came up for sale previously viewed I bought one. It must have hypnotized me or something. At some point I popped it in to watch it again and I realized it sucked on toast. Although at least Seventh Heaven chick was pretty hot.

You were hypnotized. And a clotheless Jessica Biel couldn't have saved this shipwrecked movie.
post #18 of 33
IMO:

Blade I = Excellent
Blade II = Good
Blade III = Fair

The rating is based on someone that can't get enough of this genre.
post #19 of 33
BLADE: Sweet!!!
BLADE II: Exquisite/sublime
BLADE III: Mind-numbing divine inanity/ must-own reference rubbish

The earlier thread link:

http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...=blade+trinity
post #20 of 33
Besides not enough WS in this movie, Whistler's daughter and RR's character are just plain lame.
And anything involving their little Goon Squad was not credible.

If they were trying to reduce WS contribution, they certainly accomplished it.
post #21 of 33
From having watched many times, NOT from subscribing to any particulatr rumor-mill theory concerning Snipes' involvement, I think they got what they could from him and had to cut a movie around the footage they captured -- one reason for the choppy incoherence of the narrative.

It is interesting to me that the internal storyline roughly coincides with the real-life drama playing out -- Snipes obviously resented the drift of the series from where his instincts might have guided it, but Blade too was shown to be bristling at the involvement of the unfortunate merry band of interlopers.

Certain stuff where it appears he, Snipes, was having a bad day, seems to have been left in. The scene with RR in the hospital bed where Blade walks in to be greeted by another insipid quip, has him only then turning around and walking out. Struck me as odd they would use him only for that. I speculate Snipes may have actually been disgusted at what he'd come to and just turned around, possibly left for the day. The RR reaction seems perfectly real-life fitting as well, "I don't think he likes me."

In the opening sequence where Blade's windshield is being fired upon, Snipes is barely going through the motions of ducking and bobbing -- it would seem many of those shots would hit him in the face from where they landed, but I don't think he could be bothered to make it much more convincing than he did.

Check it out.
post #22 of 33
I better re-watch the DVD.
Thanx for the tip, Emaych.

I have been moving to another pigpen this month and still have my disks in storage.
BUT my Dish Network is being installed today and I am a happy boar.
post #23 of 33
If you Encore, they've been airing Trinity what seems like 5 times a day for the past couple of weeks.
post #24 of 33
this movie made me hate ryan renolds. it took me 3 more of his movies to make me like him
post #25 of 33
A terrible, terrible movie.
post #26 of 33
i thought the humor he brought to this one was what made it alot more durable.That and biel.

He was pretty good in ammityvile.
post #27 of 33
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this movie made me hate ryan renolds. it took me 3 more of his movies to make me like him

He was essentially Van Wilder rebranded in this movie.
post #28 of 33
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A terrible, terrible movie.

And yet, this thread just won't die.
post #29 of 33
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Originally Posted by Donnie Eldridge View Post

And yet, this thread just won't die.

Vampire threads don't die without taking extraordinary measures -- simple mirrors and crosses are not going to do the trick. Besides, what does this being a terrible movie have to do with the thread living on? BLADE TRINITY is an instant classic -- deeply enriching, extremely rewarding, must-own reference terrible terrible movie which earns all the discussion it garners, both as to why it is terrible and why it is sublime -- in exactly the same way as another highly regarded movie might inspire praise or any other form of discussion.
post #30 of 33
Blade I and II were good, III was just awful in my opinion I guess thats what happens when they try to expand the audience.
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