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post #391 of 1255
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Originally Posted by HDholic View Post

I wonder why they still manufacture displays with 720P...It's so yesteryear!

Because on a set under 50" that isn't hookup up to a PC, you'll barely (if at all) notice the difference. 720p will be the "budget" sets next year.
post #392 of 1255
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Originally Posted by ngamer007 View Post

Because on a set under 50" that isn't hookup up to a PC, you'll barely (if at all) notice the difference. 720p will be the "budget" sets next year.

That makes sense but then why make a 50 and a 56 model?
Despite that I am curious what the new price points are for TV sets this time around. There seem to be so many variations available...
post #393 of 1255
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Originally Posted by andydumi View Post

That makes sense but then why make a 50 and a 56 model?

Unless you sit very close, the true value of a 1080p image isn't fully enjoyed until the screen size goes to and beyond 60".

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Despite that I am curious what the new price points are for TV sets this time around. There seem to be so many variations available...

The first post in this thread has estimated prices for some models based on information from CES.
post #394 of 1255
htwaits: How much difference is there in brightness between Samsung's LED DLPs and lamp based DLPs?

It seems like the LEDs do alot of things right--if they're both the same size which do you think looks better?
post #395 of 1255
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

htwaits: How much difference is there in brightness between Samsung's LED DLPs and lamp based DLPs?

I have no way to quantify the difference. The fact that Samsung did a 56" set for the first year and will now do a 61" set for 2007 indicates to me that they were concerned about brightness. I don't recall any owners with bright rooms complaining that the HL-S5679 wasn't bright enough.

Also, the fact that the screen seems to have a smaller vertical viewing angle is another indication that Samsung was trying to increase brightness.

I expect the 2007 models to have some minor improvements in this area.

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It seems like the LEDs do alot of things right--if they're both the same size which do you think looks better?

I don't try to do that kind of comparison unless I'm shopping.

If both types of sets were calibrated by UMR, David Abrams, or Eliab I would expect them to be very similar if not almost identical. All three have stated that the 2006 HLS models come extremely close to the standards that they calibrate to.

I expect the benefits of professional calibration will last longer if the set is using a LED light source since there is very little dimming with use. The LED sets might be more comfortable to view, but that's a total guess on my part. They should also be more reliable since they require less cooling and won't have a color wheel to fail.

Maybe I'll know more about this time next year. That's the soonest that I would be likely to upgrade. I don't expect to buy another lamp based set unless things change during the next year.
post #396 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Unless you sit very close, the true value of a 1080p image isn't fully enjoyed until the screen size goes to and beyond 60".

The first post in this thread has estimated prices for some models based on information from CES.

htwaits,
so are you saying that if you are planning on getting a 50"-56" tv that 1080p is not that big a deal? I am about 9ft away from my set but really only have room for a set in the sizes stated above. If so will a 720 dlp OR plasma do 1080i?
post #397 of 1255
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Originally Posted by robollie View Post

htwaits,
so are you saying that if you are planning on getting a 50"-56" tv that 1080p is not that big a deal?

My personal choice at 9' would be either 1080p 56" or 61", but we now have a 720p 50" set that we watch from 10'. Resolution is only one component of good PQ. At 9', depending on your eye sight, you may not be able to tell the difference in resolution. You would probably see an overall difference in PQ because of other features that the 1080p sets might have.

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If so will a 720 dlp OR plasma do 1080i?

A 1080p set convert all inputs to it's native resolution which is 1080p. A 720p set does the same thing -- it will convert all inputs, 1080i included, to 720p. Some sets don't accept a 1080p input, but that's not a practical problem at this time.
post #398 of 1255
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Originally Posted by robollie View Post

htwaits,
so are you saying that if you are planning on getting a 50"-56" tv that 1080p is not that big a deal? I am about 9ft away from my set but really only have room for a set in the sizes stated above. If so will a 720 dlp OR plasma do 1080i?

At 9', you should consider the 56" and 61" 1080p DLPs. As noted previously, the 1080p models are preferred to the 720p models, regardless of viewing distance, due to their superior contrast.

At 9', you could also consider a 50" 768p plasma like the Panasonic TH-50PX60U (see price at Amazon), but at 56" or larger, you would definitely want 1080p.
post #399 of 1255
I have a HL-S5688W. (2006 model)

The CableCARD didn't work with it and it is making a high-pitch noise (apparantly only I can hear) after 30 minutes of being on.

Samsung is offering to replace my model with the 2007 model...

Should I ask for the 76 or 89 series? (since mine is LAMP I bet they won't spring for the 89...

Did they remove CableCARD support???
post #400 of 1255
I'm going to be looking at the 56" or 61" LED models once they come out, but I had a quick question beforehand. I currently have a HLN567W, and it has a spot on top to place a (not too heavy) center channel speaker. Has Samsung continued this practice for the newer models, or will I need to worry about speaker placement as well?

thanks for all the great info
post #401 of 1255
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Originally Posted by st_nick View Post

I currently have a HLN567W, and it has a spot on top to place a (not too heavy) center channel speaker. Has Samsung continued this practice for the newer models, or will I need to worry about speaker placement as well?

Your case is the only one with that feature. I think Samsung did a few HLP (2004) sets using that case, but that was it.
post #402 of 1255
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Originally Posted by mooninite View Post

I have a HL-S5688W. (2006 model)

The CableCARD didn't work with it and it is making a high-pitch noise (apparantly only I can hear) after 30 minutes of being on.

Samsung is offering to replace my model with the 2007 model...

Should I ask for the 76 or 89 series? (since mine is LAMP I bet they won't spring for the 89...

Did they remove CableCARD support???

They might let you pay a little extra for a different model. See if you can get them to give you a rundown of the feature sets on the various upcoming models, like Lamp or LED, number of HDMI and whether 1.3, cablecard support...
post #403 of 1255
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Originally Posted by andydumi View Post

They might let you pay a little extra for a different model. See if you can get them to give you a rundown of the feature sets on the various upcoming models, like Lamp or LED, number of HDMI and whether 1.3, cablecard support...

The lady at Samsung doesn't know the feature set (and didn't want to admit the model numbers) claiming that it was all too new and they didn't have anything for me.

I told them to have me put on the "5676" waiting list. She then said "HL-T5676" (I never said HL-T) so I know she knew about it but didn't want to say anything.

I might ask about the upgrade to LED when they call back again after she forwards my request to her boss.

They wanted to give me a 5686 (720p model) at first and I said no way...
post #404 of 1255
The HL-Txxx75S models are starting to show up on Samsung's site.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/dlptv/index.asp
post #405 of 1255
That sucks I thought that the 75S was going to be 1080P. That makes one less option for me. I quess this guarantees that my next tv will be hdmi 1.3.
post #406 of 1255
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Originally Posted by TTampa View Post

That sucks I thought that the 75S was going to be 1080P. That makes one less option for me. I quess this guarantees that my next tv will be hdmi 1.3.

Either the model information gotten at CES has been revised or there is an error on the web site. Either one or both are possible. Just cool it, and watch the information seep out over the next few weeks.

The fact that it's on the web site doesn't mean it's solid information. The fact that Samsung will have 2007 720p models does not tell you anything about what model numbers the 1080p sets will have.

You can still count on two lines of 1080p sets. One for the BBs and CCs along with another line for higher end stores like Magnolia. My guess is that the main difference will be HDMI versions, and it won't mean much.
post #407 of 1255
On their pdf of owners instructions, 1080p is not mentioned. I assume that's a good indication they're 720p max. Crazy. The HL-S and HL-T's seem really identical. I think their next breakthrough needs to be variable LED to get that contrast ratio up closer to 100,000 to 1. But how long will that take.. The 75s models need to be avoided like the plague. I have really hoped 720p would be dropped entirely in 2007.
post #408 of 1255
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Originally Posted by TTampa View Post

That sucks I thought that the 75S was going to be 1080P. That makes one less option for me. I quess this guarantees that my next tv will be hdmi 1.3.


Last year the website was wrong on many things about the HL-S models for months so I would not trust anything on the website for total accuracy at this point. Samsung seems every year to have major issues getting facts correct on their websites. Just wait until the true facts come out.
post #409 of 1255
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Originally Posted by dfwald View Post

Last year the website was wrong on many things about the HL-S models for months so I would not trust anything on the website for total accuracy at this point. Samsung seems every year to have major issues getting facts correct on their websites. Just wait until the true facts come out.

All too true!

In any case I've just added a link in the first page of this thread that will download the User's Manual for the 720P (for now ) HL-T4675S, HL-T5075S, and HL-T5675S sets. Note that there is no '75' series 61" model.

I expect the 1080p sets described at CES will turn up with different final two digits in their model numbers. Who knows? Possibly not Samsung.
post #410 of 1255
Returning my Mits 57732 and getting the new Samsung. At ABT, my salesman said that the HL-S5688 is now d/c product and that I can get the HL-T but had no info on model numbers. He said will call his Samsung rep and let me know when the 1080P will be available.
post #411 of 1255
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Originally Posted by HSW View Post

Returning my Mits 57732 and getting the new Samsung. At ABT, my salesman said that the HL-S5688 is now d/c product and that I can get the HL-T but had no info on model numbers. He said will call his Samsung rep and let me know when the 1080P will be available.

All tidbits, true or false, welcome.
post #412 of 1255
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Originally Posted by HSW View Post

Returning my Mits 57732 and getting the new Samsung. At ABT, my salesman said that the HL-S5688 is now d/c product and that I can get the HL-T but had no info on model numbers. He said will call his Samsung rep and let me know when the 1080P will be available.

About a month ago, Consumer Reports magazine removed their ratings for the Samsung HL-Sxx87's, based on info. from Samsung that these models had been discontinued. Several individuals (including myself) put up posts in their forum questioning whether this was accurate. In response, Consumer Reports contacted Samsung again and reported (a few days ago) that the original info. provided by Samsung was incorrect, and that the HL-Sxx87's have not yet been discontinued. I'd guess (but don't know) that this also applies to the HL-Sxx88's. So while it would be nice to imagine that Samsung is rolling over to the new models now, I suspect it's more likely their release dates will be equal to or later than those posted on p.1 of this thread.
post #413 of 1255
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Originally Posted by pchemist View Post

About a month ago, Consumer Reports magazine removed their ratings for the Samsung HL-Sxx87's, based on info. from Samsung that these models had been discontinued. Several individuals (including myself) put up posts in their forum questioning whether this was accurate. In response, Consumer Reports contacted Samsung again and reported (a few days ago) that the original info. provided by Samsung was incorrect, and that the HL-Sxx87's have not yet been discontinued. I'd guess (but don't know) that this also applies to the HL-Sxx88's. So while it would be nice to imagine that Samsung is rolling over to the new models now, I suspect it's more likely their release dates will be equal to or later than those posted on p.1 of this thread.

I agree.
post #414 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Your short hand for Samsung HLS models has my buffaloed.

Otherwise I agree.

Oops! Sorry about that. Just edited my post to correct the error.

BTW, I just noticed a gracious compliment you gave me about a month ago (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9522908); don't know why I didn't notice it before, but thank you. Sometimes I worry my curiosity (and desire to understand things clearly) leads me get a bit too abstruse with my questions, so it's nice to get a note that they are appreciated (or at least that some of them are appreciated!).
post #415 of 1255
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Originally Posted by pchemist View Post

Sometimes I worry my curiosity (and desire to understand things clearly) leads me get a bit too abstruse with my questions, so it's nice to get a note that they are appreciated (or at least that some of them are appreciated!).

Keep it up. I don't think LED technology is going to take a big step forward this year so we need all the questions we can find as 2008 comes closer.
post #416 of 1255
My guy's contact at Samsung said no release date yet for the HL-T5687 but probably mid April give or take. Oh well.
post #417 of 1255
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Originally Posted by Monty22001 View Post

I'd really recommend waiting for the HL-T LED's. I've heard that the 5679 was sort of a prototype. The new ones have the 10,000 to 1 contrast, and that alone is worth the wait. I'd not get the first gen at this point.

I realize that this goes back a few weeks, but could anyone explain the "real world" visual improvements we'll see with a 10,000:1 contrast ratio, as opposed to last year's 4,000:1 ratio?

Thanks!
post #418 of 1255
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Originally Posted by schwa73 View Post

I realize that this goes back a few weeks, but could anyone explain the "real world" visual improvements we'll see with a 10,000:1 contrast ratio, as opposed to last year's 4,000:1 ratio?

Those numbers are partly hype but the new models should have somewhat blacker blacks and whiter whites.
post #419 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Those numbers are partly hype but the new models should have somewhat blacker blacks and whiter whites.

Is it mostly hype then, do you think? Could a person take a glance at a solitary TV in a room and think, "damn, that's some mighty fine contrast ratio right there"?


And thanks for all your help.
post #420 of 1255
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Originally Posted by schwa73 View Post

Is it mostly hype then, do you think? Could a person take a glance at a solitary TV in a room and think, "damn, that's some mighty fine contrast ratio right there"?

Sure they could, if the set was calibrated by UMR, David Abrams, or Eliab.

There is more than one way to measure contrast ratio, and of course the manufacturers choose the most dramatic and least informative method for their advertising.
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