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post #631 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is no indication that these sets can accept 1080p@24Hz, and then do a simple multiply by five to output 120Hz. That should result in judder free image pans.

If they still require all inputs to be either 30Hz or 60Hz there won't be much PQ gain.

Interesting, this is the first I have heard of 120Hz display on the 2007 models.
post #632 of 1255
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I wonder if they would let me pay the difference and get an LED version. The new LED version has a 10, 000 contrast ratio, right?

Yes they will. My 5087 went kaput and they let me pay the difference and upgrade to a 5688.
post #633 of 1255
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

Yes they will. My 5087 went kaput and they let me pay the difference and upgrade to a 5688.


actually they won't, I asked about the upgrading, they stopped that policy for 2007.
post #634 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

They might, but I wouldn't count on it.

Well, at least I can dream....
post #635 of 1255
It looks like B&H Photo is estimating the arrival of the Samsung HL-T7288W in June.

Here is a link for anyone interested in checking it out:


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
post #636 of 1255
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Originally Posted by beowulf7 View Post

I don't have inside info. I'm just going by what you and others presented from the 2007 CES in Las Vegas. Or I should say, what wasn't mentioned: anything about their 71" TVs.

We both forgot what bfdtv reported from CES 2007.

Samsung also had a new 72" lamp-based design at CES (HL-T7288W), but it was not a slim profile display -- depth was 20".

Check his report in the first post. He did update his notes about a 2007 71" set with a different model number sometime after his initial report.
post #637 of 1255
Here are some shots of it I took while at the show, along with the spec display.

The 120Hz spec is news to me. I asked specifically if they could do 24Hz or a multiple thereof and was told no. This is a fantastic decision on Samsung's part if true.

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post #638 of 1255
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Originally Posted by TetsujinWave View Post

Here are some shots of it I took while at the show, along with the spec display.

The 120Hz spec is news to me. I asked specifically if they could do 24Hz or a multiple thereof and was told no. This is a fantastic decision on Samsung's part if true.

(I'm not quite dead yet!)

msrp eta???

andy

darn just saw the june and $4500

was hoping it'd be about $7k and have great performance :-0
post #639 of 1255
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Originally Posted by TetsujinWave View Post

The 120Hz spec is news to me. I asked specifically if they could do 24Hz or a multiple thereof and was told no. This is a fantastic decision on Samsung's part if true.

I recall that Brillian's LCoS set had a 120Hz refresh rate, but it didn't accept 1080p@24Hz input. Samsung may be going part way too.

I noticed that in your picture of the place card there is HDMI 1.3 and USB 2.0. In the "final" pdf files for the "76" series there is no mention of the HDMI version and USB is listed as version 1.1. Information is still skimpy.
post #640 of 1255
Sony's upcoming, budget-oriented LCD RPTVs support 24p input and 120Hz judder free playback, so perhaps Samsung changed its tune and will do the same. A few quotes from the Sony press release:

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The new line features the 1920 x 1080p (progressive) 50-inch KDF-50E3000 and the 46-inch KDF-46E3000 models, along with the 1280 x 720p 37-inch KDF-37H1000 TV (all screen sizes measured diagonally). All of the new micro-displays are compatible with Sony's BRAVIA Internet Video Link module that features the Technical Emmy® award-winning Xross Media Bar (XMB) user interface for enhanced on-screen navigation.

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The new E-series models offer greater flexibility to consumers who have limited room space for a large screen TV. The KDF-50E3000 measures in at 12.6 inches deep, while the KDF-46E3000 comes in at under 11.9 inches.

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The sets also feature two HDMI inputs that support both 1080/60p and 24p frame rates. They process signals at a direct multiple of 24p to avoid artifacts, such as judder or flicker, when viewing next generation high-definition formats like Blu-ray disc. Other source connections include three component video inputs and a PC input via HDMI.

These models are direct competition for Samsung's new slim-profile 46" and 50" DLPs.

Still, I was under the impression that current DLP switching speeds limited manufacturers to 60Hz or thereabouts.
post #641 of 1255
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Still, I was under the impression that current DLP switching speeds limited manufacturers to 60Hz or thereabouts.

I'm naive about this stuff, but would a TV capable of a 120Hz native refresh rate care what the input refresh rate was -- 60Hz input x 2, 24Hz input x 5?

It's going to be interesting for a few weeks.
post #642 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I recall that Brillian's LCoS set had a 120Hz refresh rate, but it didn't accept 1080p@24Hz input. Samsung may be going part way too.

I noticed that in your picture of the place card there is HDMI 1.3 and USB 2.0. In the "final" pdf files for the "76" series there is no mention of the HDMI version and USB is listed as version 1.1. Information is still skimpy.


In addition to no mention of the HDMI version and USB being 1.1 instead of 2.0, I also noticed that there is absolutely no mention of Bluetooth in the spec sheet!

Also, the dimensions and weight are identical for both the 61" and 56" !

Hey Samsung - I'm a tech writer... I'd be happy to proofread and edit your docs for you - you can pay me in TVs.
post #643 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

We both forgot what bfdtv reported from CES 2007.

Samsung also had a new 72" lamp-based design at CES (HL-T7288W), but it was not a slim profile display -- depth was 20".

Check his report in the first post. He did update his notes about a 2007 71" set with a different model number sometime after his initial report.

Ahh, OK. Thanks for pointing that out. So it looks like they're upsizing the 71" by an inch. I still don't think they will sell well and I bet they will cost a lot more per inch than the 50, 56, and 61 sizes.

Of those 3 (or 4) sizes, I wonder how they sold in 2006 compared to each other. I'm guessing that 56" would've been the most popular price point based on what I've seen people here and other forums say they bought.
post #644 of 1255
I been looking into it and I was going to wait for the led model but I decided to go with the lamp instead since it is a proven technology. I am going with the HL-T5076S. it will fit in the the spot just right and it looks very sleek. plus 3 hdmi inputs 2 component and vga input this is the right tv for me.
I will be hooking up my xbox 360 via vga
my ps3 via hdmi
my HDDVD player via hdmi
my nintendo wii via component
my cable dvr via hdmi
this tv is going to rock. and if it improves on the hls5087 model or even matches it I will be very happy. on thing is that is kinda funny that the pdf says you can hook up blu ray via hdmi for 1080p but says nothing about hddvd. also the pdf says that the tv does 720i which makes no sense to me

I was wondering if there was any more pictures of this tv? I want to see where the hdmi hook ups are located and the buttons like power, input menu and so on.
post #645 of 1255
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Originally Posted by cubenruben View Post

on thing is that is kinda funny that the pdf says you can hook up blu ray via hdmi for 1080p but says nothing about hddvd

Probably because Samsung makes blu ray players.
post #646 of 1255
I just want to make sure I understand this properly. All 2007 1080P DLP TVs from Samsung doesn't have true 1080P output right? It revolves around wobulation to achieve 1080P resolution?
post #647 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm naive about this stuff, but would a TV capable of a 120Hz native refresh rate care what the input refresh rate was -- 60Hz input x 2, 24Hz input x 5?

The judder is induced during the conversion from 24fps to 60fps in your DVD/HD DVD/BluRay player, which is then shipped "with judder" to the TV at 60fps. If you could simply take the 1080p/24fps straight from the high def disc and send it judder-free to a TV that had a refresh rate that was a multiple of 24hz, then you would be in business.

To be honest this is really a minor "problem" - only visible on certain pans in some movies. Depending on the movie, you may never even encounter it. That said, it would be nice to eliminate it. The 2nd gen BR/HD players are shipping or will ship with 24fps output, so a TV to complement that would be a nice pairing.
post #648 of 1255
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Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider View Post

I just want to make sure I understand this properly. All 2007 1080P DLP TVs from Samsung doesn't have true 1080P output right? It revolves around wobulation to achieve 1080P resolution?

All 1080p DLP RPTV sets in the market are expected to be wobulated for 2007. It makes no difference which company builds them.

Since the first 1080p RPTV sets arrived in 2005 they have all been capable of projecting 1920x1080 uniquely controlled pixels on the screen. The term "true 1080p" is a marketing term.

The resolution on the screen is not "mimicked". It's alternated at a very high rate of spead. Much faster than film where we're shown a still picture every 24th of a second and we think it's a "moving picture show" or "the movies".

These two links deal with wobulation more intelligently than I can.

Wobulation is, from a user perspective, a NON-ISSUE.

It's the speed.

The wobulated DMD 1080p chips have 960x1080 = 1,036,800 mirrors. Each mirror is responsible for controlling the content of two adjacent pixels on the screen. Each of those two pixels is supplied with it's own unique information depending on the image being displayed.

The mirrors on the DMD chip do their work so fast that your brain and vision do not detect any gaps in the presence of pixels on the screen. What is projected is true 1080p even though the 1,036,800 mirrors "wobble" between pixel A and pixel B.

Think very very fast.

TI has a DMD chip with 1920x1080 mirrors. So far it has only been used in high end front projectors. Optoma and others have introduced mid range (~$7k) front projectors using that chip. At this point a 1920x1080 mirror chip may be too expensive for the RPTV market.

All the wobulated 1080p RPTV sets are "native" 1080p because you perceive all 2,073,600 unique pixels as being projected onto the screen at the same moment. The fact that they arrive at slightly different times is not perceptible.

This link is to a post by collinp on other wobulation issues.

TI has increased flip rates and DLP processor throughput.
post #649 of 1255
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Originally Posted by nash0r View Post

That said, it would be nice to eliminate it. The 2nd gen BR/HD players are shipping or will ship with 24fps output, so a TV to complement that would be a nice pairing.

Well said!

Then we can work on the format war and high prices.
post #650 of 1255
It would be Sweet if they had a 72" LED source RP set with a full resolution chip. I'll probably replace my 2005 61" with an LED 61" this year and next year they'll come out with the LED 72" full resolution chip model just becasue I buy one of this years models.
post #651 of 1255
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Originally Posted by cubenruben View Post

I was wondering if there was any more pictures of this tv? I want to see where the hdmi hook ups are located and the buttons like power, input menu and so on.

If you flip through some of the pictures posted earlier in this thread you'll find that all the inputs are on the right hand side of the back of the television. You'll also see the display controls located close by.
post #652 of 1255
I just checked out the 50" at Circuit City and my favorite thing about it was the location of the inputs. They are not on the back anymore like the poster before me said. They are kind of on the back right corner at an angle. So you only need to turn the TV a few inches to access the inputs.
post #653 of 1255
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

It would be Sweet if they had a 72" LED source RP set with a full resolution chip. I'll probably replace my 2005 61" with an LED 61" this year and next year they'll come out with the LED 72" full resolution chip model just becasue I buy one of this years models.

Yeah but every year they'll come out with something newer and better.
post #654 of 1255
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Originally Posted by Cygnus311 View Post

I just checked out the 50" at Circuit City and my favorite thing about it was the location of the inputs. They are not on the back anymore like the poster before me said. They are kind of on the back right corner at an angle. So you only need to turn the TV a few inches to access the inputs.

Are you saying that Circuit City has HL-T models on display? Which ones?
post #655 of 1255
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Are you saying that Circuit City has HL-T models on display? Which ones?

I think it's the HL-T5075S. The Circuit City in Hawthorne (405 and Rosecrans) had it on display this past weekend.

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post #656 of 1255
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Originally Posted by pgibbons View Post

I think it's the HL-T5075S. The Circuit City in Hawthorne (405 and Rosecrans) had it on display this past weekend.

You may be the first to see one.
post #657 of 1255
I've been following this thread for some time but just joined the AVS forum pretty recently. I happened to stumble into the quick start guide for the HL-Txx87S series on Samsung's website and though you guys might be interested in taking a look. I didn't really see much that wasn't already mentions somewhere else in this thread.

I can't post URLs so here is my attempt at getting around the filter (sorry):
downloadcenter *dot*
samsung *dot*
com/
content/
EM/
200703/
20070324132917625/
EN/
main *dot*
htm
post #658 of 1255
Local CC has the HL-T5075S on display as well. It was mixed in with other 720p sets (including the Samsung HLS model). Unless you were well versed on the new models it would be very easy to miss. I guess CC doesn't see much point in pushing a 720p set even if it is a new model.

Can not comment on the PQ as the input signal was SD but the total black case really looked nice.

I forgot to bring my plumb line and T-square but did not notice any pincushion when viewing the 4:3 SD content.
post #659 of 1255
Thread Starter 
By going to the download center at Samsung's US web site you can find material about the HL-T "75", "87", and "89" series of models.

Samsung's Download Center
post #660 of 1255
I tried this for the HL-T5689S, but got an exception that includes lots of Korean text...
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