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post #481 of 953
I previously had an SCS2 between CS2.2s and now have an MCS1 between CS2.4s with 4 x SCS2s as surrounds.

When I finally got around to measuring the FR for the SCS2s and EQ'ing them, I was surprised by the uneveness of the response. It's certainly not a good match for the response of the MCS1.

I would strongly recommend that you get another MCS1.
post #482 of 953
I am thinking of replacing My B&W 805 n"s with the 1.6.Presently using a parasound halo a52 5 channel amp. The B&W's sound a little bright now since switching from my older B&K amp.Surround sound is fine but 2 channel is lacking.Anyone else using a Parasound amp and is it a good match?Looking to either replace speakers or a different amp. I will be going to a dealer demo On Saturday to hear the Thiels.

Anthem AVM 30
Krell DVD standard..using balanced xlr's..used as a cd player only
Parasound halo A52...thx 125 watts x 5..using balanced xlr's
Audioquest King cobra balanced xlr cables x 7
post #483 of 953
I find the B&W sound a little more rounded / soft at the high frequency extreme than the Thiel's, in general. That may be my room and how it interacts with the lateral dispersion of the two speakers.
post #484 of 953
Ok, I've officially scrapped the SCS2 as an option for center... the price was really good, but man-o-man did it sound bland and boring compared to the MCS1... had to bring in one of my own MCS1's to audition them in the same system/setting/components etc. but that was a real eye-opener... the MCS1 is superior by miles and equally impossible to find used, so this will take a while...

How does this sound for a system? MCS1's for L/R (have them already), MCS1 for center, PowerPoint's for surround (and maybe down the road another set of PP's for back or if those won't fit, a pair of HigherPoints). I still have my old DefTech PF18 subwoofer, which I know won't work with the Thiels, but I will need to wait for a few months at least to get an SS1 or SS2... just bought a house, and switching over all speakers to Thiels from Magnepan's to fit the room size/layout. The additional cost of a new sub just has to wait, no matter what I really want to do..
post #485 of 953
Hi Audiojan,

I am fairly new to HT and just recently discovered how much information is stuffed into the center channel. Using the MCS-1 for center in your set-up is a must. With MCS-1 across the front, they will be fantastic.

I got an SS2 hooked up via PX05 and SS2 is definitely an impressive subwoofer but you may want to know that it is "subtle".

The SS2 does not call any attention to itself. It is more about reproducing whatever comes through the signal. For music, it adds "depth" to our 3.7's, just enough to make the stage wide and deep. For instruments, it reveals the lower registers beautifully, a lot of "sweetness". Very nice addition. I am saving up for a second SS2 or looking for another used.

In movies, the SS2 also does not add any more than in the signals. A friend is disappointed because he is used to his subwoofer rolling the floor and really "rumble". The SS2 does not "rumble" or "roll" the floor but it will effortlessly reproduce the lowest note called for in the sound effect. Very tight, tout and punchy and I think, accurate.

Slow and systematic acquisition is how we got our gear, it is satisfying!
post #486 of 953
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Originally Posted by Audiojan View Post

I still have my old DefTech PF18 subwoofer, which I know won't work with the Thiels

I wouldn't be so quick to say that the DefTech won't work with the Thiels. Good crossover, and eq if you have that available, could make them blend okay.
post #487 of 953
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

I wouldn't be so quick to say that the DefTech won't work with the Thiels. Good crossover, and eq if you have that available, could make them blend okay.

Seconding Nathan's comment .

To integrate the DefTech with the Thiels, it will require a crossover. Thiel sells a "Smart Integrator" (S1) that integrates Thiel speakers with non-Thiel subwoofers. The S1 owner can tweak various parameters for a better or perfect match.

If you use Thiel subs, then it is possible to use the cheaper passive crossover PX05. The PX's are ordered through Thiel and Thiel factory-set to match the Thiel speakers to the Smart subs.

Good luck!
post #488 of 953
And as an interim measure, I had decent results relying on the crossover in my pre-pro, to integrate some non-Thiel subs with my Thiel mains. Ideal? No. Better than not using the subs at all? Yes, imo.
post #489 of 953
Thanks for the advice. The reason why I'm thinking that the DefTech sub won't integrate that will is that it does have lots of overhang... the PowerField 1800 was never famous for it's transient responce, but rather it's very low, and powerful bass: pretty much opposite of everything Thiel is known for... Maybe the S1 can overcome some of that, but for the price of that, I might just as well go ahead and get a used SS1 sub and the PX5... would be comparable in price.

The Krell HTS7.1 does have some EQ that I intend to use, so maybe I can at least make it decent until I save up some more to buy a Thiel sub...

I just found a pair of PowerPoint's used that I will be using as surrounds for my MCS1's (and I'm still looking for another MCS1 to be used as center).
post #490 of 953
just picked a used pair of 1.6's in amberwood.....$1400 with outriggers included

comparing them to my B&W n805's

both great but in different ways...thinking of not selling the B&W's and use them for rears..just too good to sell off

the thiels look and sound beautiful..it's like having 2 hot girl friends now...well maybe not....but it is a nice predicament!

Anthem Avm 30
Parasound Halo A52 5 x 125 amp
Krell CD
Audio Quest King Cobra XLR's
Velodyne ct 120 sub
post #491 of 953
I've decided to move my Thiels into a two channel setup, and use five identical monitor speakers for my surround listening.

However, before I can sell my single SCS3 or pair of CS .5's, I need to find some boxes for shipping (in case a local buyer isn't found). Does Thiel still make/sell shipping materials for their older models?

(Ironically I still have my boxes for the CS 2.3's, which are the last ones I would sell...)
post #492 of 953
Theil Speakers are being shut down by its owner (Denon, Marantz, McIntosh). See Audioholics.
post #493 of 953
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

Theil Speakers are being shut down by its owner (Denon, Marantz, McIntosh). See Audioholics.

I think you've mistaken Theil for Snell.
post #494 of 953
Thiel is not a holding of D&M. I believe it is Snell.
Bob please provide a linkk.
post #495 of 953
My apologies. Please forgive a bad memory and age. You are all correct. It is Snell, not Theil which is being shut down by D&M. My sincere apologies for any confusion or angst I caused.
post #496 of 953
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

My apologies. Please forgive a bad memory and age. You are all correct. It is Snell, not Theil which is being shut down by D&M. My sincere apologies for any confusion or angst I caused.

There are a bunch of relieved people in Kentucky! (And audiophiles everywhere are happy, too.)

Me too, since if I need to get some shipping boxes for the Thiels I am selling, I'll be able to do so
post #497 of 953
I would guess Thiel will be around for many years to come... too bad about Snell though... good ol' American brand going by the wayside.

Nathan, what Thiels are you selling?
post #498 of 953
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

I've decided to move my Thiels into a two channel setup, and use five identical monitor speakers for my surround listening.

However, before I can sell my single SCS3 or pair of CS .5's, I need to find some boxes for shipping (in case a local buyer isn't found). Does Thiel still make/sell shipping materials for their older models?

(Ironically I still have my boxes for the CS 2.3's, which are the last ones I would sell...)

I know they sell replacement boxes..check their site to see if yours are listed
post #499 of 953
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

I know they sell replacement boxes..check their site to see if yours are listed

Awesome. But I must admit, I couldn't find a list on the site. I'll zap them an email, but if you know where they have that list, that would be great.

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Originally Posted by Audiojan View Post

I would guess Thiel will be around for many years to come... too bad about Snell though... good ol' American brand going by the wayside.

Nathan, what Thiels are you selling?

Pair of 2.3s in Ebony (for which I have the original boxes); Pair of .5's in oak & a single SCS3 in black ash (for which I don't). The SCS3 won't be a big problem, because it's large for a center but still normal in terms of finding packing materials, but the .5's while not as beastly as the 2.3's are still going to be tough to find a generic box for. On the other hand, since the .5's blue book value is $500ish, I cannot afford to spend too much on boxes. Who knows, maybe I keep a pair, for two-channel listening. It's not the deal I made with she who must be obeyed but maybe "Honey, I tried to sell them but wasn't successful, so let's use them in another room until I find a buyer" will work!

They are quite handsome, which she agrees with:





post #500 of 953
My Goodness, Robert! You nearly gave me a Cardiac Arrest! . I was just communicating with Thiel last week. No biggie though, it made for a good laugh.

Hi Nathan,
So you are getting rid of all the Thiels and moving to something else? Can you share why and the new replacements?

Not trying to pry or change your minds, just interested in different perspective. A friend destroyed my "tube-only" attitude, then my wife proved HT in stereo is inferior to surround, then discovering the center channel is as important as the mains, at least in HD format, so I am now wide open to learning new ideas.

Thanks!
post #501 of 953
I love my Thiels but I have some conflicting goals with my setups. I'll probably retain two of the Thiels I have for two channel, in a different room. But for surround sound, I am finding I really prefer to have identical speakers all around, and I cannot build that kind of setup with the Thiels I have. For example, a 2.3 for a center channel wouldn't work for me in my space. I probably should have kept the awesome 3 PCS I had, and gotten two more for the surrounds, but I didn't.
post #502 of 953
wow.... read home theater's wonderful rave review of the 3.7s with the ss2 sub... in this month's mag...
jamespblues for sure should read it..
Because they refer to it as the flagship speaker incorporating all prior inovations...
post #503 of 953
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

I love my Thiels but I have some conflicting goals with my setups. I'll probably retain two of the Thiels I have for two channel, in a different room. But for surround sound, I am finding I really prefer to have identical speakers all around, and I cannot build that kind of setup with the Thiels I have. For example, a 2.3 for a center channel wouldn't work for me in my space. I probably should have kept the awesome 3 PCS I had, and gotten two more for the surrounds, but I didn't.

saw your ad on audiogon...forwarded it to someone who had a want ad for scs 3 speaker that you are selling

perhaps you should contact him yourself if you already haven't
post #504 of 953
Thanks.

Actually, I talked with that guy. He got tired of waiting for an SCS3 and ponied up twice the price for an SCS4 a little while ago.

But I am confident the speakers will all find a good home. In just a couple of days I have had several inquiries and a few offers. None have been quite at the no-brainer-say-yes-immediately level, but on the SCS3 I'm only about 10% off my sell-at price, which bodes well.

And there are a couple of auditions this weekend of the 2.3's that potential buyers have asked about. The main problem with an audition of course is that I hear them again and say "Why am I selling them?" because they sound awesome
post #505 of 953
toughest part of selling something you love........
post #506 of 953
Did Thiel make any improvement to their cs2.4 since it first came out in ~2002? I have a chance to buy a used pr that were made in 2005, I am wondering if the current version has the same crossover, parts as the ones there were made earlier.
post #507 of 953
Wow well that was quick. I couldn't live without the Thiel sound. My old Thiels found a good home, and I tried some Paradigm Studios (not bad speakers) that allowed me more placement flexibility -- but they just didn't have that old last degree of listening in on the space where the music was recorded.

So I moved the Paradigm (well, three of them, since that's all we use for casual TV) into our casual TV space.

And I've gone back to Thiels, 1.6s this time. I will loose some screen real estate. But I have decided it's worth it. Gotta love the second hand market. All this back and forth, and assuming I can sell off a few other speakers I no longer need, for reasonable prices, and I'm not too far from where I started -- well, a little in the hole, but I'm actually a few miles ahead in terms of coherent sound all around me.

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One problem though: Since I bought used, one cannot always get exactly what one wants -- and the little stabilizer feet for one of the speakers is missing. I dropped a note to Thiel about this, but haven't heard back. Anyone know if this is a standard bolt thread -- and if so, what size? As an interim measure I could pick something up at the hardware store....
post #508 of 953
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Originally Posted by richardyc View Post

Did Thiel make any improvement to their cs2.4 since it first came out in ~2002? I have a chance to buy a used pr that were made in 2005, I am wondering if the current version has the same crossover, parts as the ones there were made earlier.

There was a limited run (150 pairs) of the 2.4SE which improved the front baffle and boutique grade caps. Came standard with custom dark stained birds eye maple (was told regular birds eye is a 40% premium over cherry) in matching pairs (no other options). Custom aluminium outriggers as standard. Drivers remain the same. And of course, Jim's signature on the back. It did almost double the price over a standard 2.4 tho.

Only reason I am trading in my pair (s/no 13 and 14) is cos I am getting the 3.7
post #509 of 953
richardyc,

Putting aside the 2.4SE that Woof Woof refers to, I understand that the 2.4s remain unchanged. Mine were purchased in '04 and still sound great !!
post #510 of 953
picked up the CS2.4 for my home theater last night, I also auditioned the CS3.7 and CS1.6 at a dealer before I picked up the CS2.4. The CS3.7 is amazing, too bad it's out of my price range. I just love the Thiel sound, clean clear highs and mids, not shrill at all. The CS2.4 should serve me well and cured my L+R speaker upgraditis for a long time. I was worry that my cheap Parasound monoblocks 1201A might not be able to drive these speakers and I had to upgrade them right away, but they do a satisfactory job, highs are clean and clear, not shrill, soundstage and bass could be a little better, but I am happy with it that i have no desire to upgrade them just yet, plus my wallet needs some recovery too. LOL.
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