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post #661 of 953
I use an S1 integrator for the mains. I have a single PX05 which is designed for 5.1 MCS+PP1.2s but I haven't gotten around to hooking it up yet. The wiring's just a bit daunting so at most I can only use the bass management for the 4 channels (+LR for 6 using the S1).
post #662 of 953
I'm getting a headache just thinking about the wiring for your system. The PX05 alone requires extra runs of speaker wire for 5 channels. Did Thiel recommend a wiring plan that would work well with integrating so many speakers?

SDL
post #663 of 953
I can only use the PX05 without the centre channel cos the power amp for that is up front while the power amps for my PPs are behind the sofa.

The PX05 then plugs into the bridge input of the S1 which is also in the back...

ps there are TWO "bridge" inputs at the back of the S1 for receiving stereo outputs from 2 x PX05s!! So you could actually have enough for all 9 channels! Jim did think of everything
post #664 of 953
Is Thiel dying a slow death? I ask this as a huge fan. I have 3 Powerpoint 1.0 as my LCR in my current home theater. I am moving and looking at a new theater, but I can't bring myself to buy Thiels if they won't be in business a few years from now. Love the sound, love the warranty, but I have not seen anything from them in a long time. The SCS4 is a new product but has been in development for years.

Any inside scoop on the company? I would hate to see them go away.
post #665 of 953
No inside scoop, but they keep releasing new products and getting good reviews, as usual.

The SCS4T came out what, less than a year or so ago, and just recently they've released a series of actively powered speakers with digital ethernet connections (a la Meridian).

Why would you think they are going out of business?
post #666 of 953
Thiel seems to be actively marketing their speakers. they just did on line seminar on the 3.7s. I am an over 11 year owner of two different sets of Thiel's. I am extremely happy with my 3.7s and power points. Waiting for a version of the 3.7 for the center speaker.
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post #667 of 953
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

No inside scoop, but they keep releasing new products and getting good reviews, as usual.

The SCS4T came out what, less than a year or so ago, and just recently they've released a series of actively powered speakers with digital ethernet connections (a la Meridian).

Why would you think they are going out of business?

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that they are going out of business anytime soon. I was wondering whether they are in a slow decline. The SCS4T was developed with Jim Thiel and is virtually the same as the SCS4. They have not done much of anything with new speakers in several years. That concerns me at bit.

It may be a case where they have brought in new designers and the product development cycle at Thiel is very long. Hence, there may be a bolus of new products coming down the pike. I have not seen any evidence of that at all. It would be nice to know what they are doing.

The reason that I ask is that I am thinking about the MCS1 for LCR in my home theater. The speaker is probably 10 years old in design. It made me wonder whether they are looking to build a better version using, perhaps, the driver technology from the 3.7. I would rather not have a speaker that gets outdated too quickly. And I would love to get the 3.7 technology in a speaker I can actually use.

EDIT: I found on the facebook page that they are working on the 1.7 (since before Jim died, apparently). So, I am guessing that it is just a longer development cycle without Jim there.
post #668 of 953
That is my point also. I have the MSC1 for over 10 years. I would like to see the center match perfectly my 3.7's
post #669 of 953
Thiels are boutique speaker manufacturers. I don't see them as releasing "annual" refreshes the way B&W or KEFs do it.

That suits me just fine.

I too own the MCS1 and the 3.7s with a mix of PP/PP1.2s and SS2s.

ps based on the online gotomeeting discussions, it looks like the 1.7 will be next, along with a CS7.x on the way. The sub range is also getting a refresh with a cheaper USS (replacing the older SS1) as well as an updated SS2.2. I think when Jim passed on, the SCS4T was the closest to completion, so that was released first. I agree that it probably didn't inspire as much confidence as the first product to be released after Jim's passing. A big statement product like the 7.x would have been a much more credible response to the industry that life at Thiel still goes on, but I guess having new products soon after might have been just as important.

That said, Jim will definitely be missed.
post #670 of 953
I am running a pair of CS2's with an Integra 20.3 and Swann MF 5000 for center and surrounds. I am thinking of replacing the center and surrounds with Wharfdale's Diamond series, 10.1's as surrounds and center. Specwise very similar to the Thiel's, 6 ohm's and sensitivity at 86dbs. Anyone experienced with this match? If not, what other combos can you reccomend? Love the Thiel's owned them since 1986 and really want to keep them in the HT ...help?
Thanks!!
post #671 of 953
can you find scs3 or pcs on the used market?
post #672 of 953
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

can you find scs3 or pcs on the used market?

+1

Thiels are coveted so people don't throw them away. Yet older models often go for very reasonable prices on the used market (cheaper than inferior, less-well-matched new speakers from other brands). And Thiel themselves tend to have what you need if you need to repair an old Thiel.
post #673 of 953
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Originally Posted by bogiedr View Post

I am running a pair of CS2's with an Integra 20.3 and Swann MF 5000 for center and surrounds. I am thinking of replacing the center and surrounds with Wharfdale's Diamond series, 10.1's as surrounds and center. Specwise very similar to the Thiel's, 6 ohm's and sensitivity at 86dbs. Anyone experienced with this match? If not, what other combos can you reccomend? Love the Thiel's owned them since 1986 and really want to keep them in the HT ...help?
Thanks!!

Is there a reason you don't want to replace the center & surrounds with more Thiels?

I have old CS2.2s as my mains & other, only slightly newer, Thiels (SCS3 & Powerpoints) as center & surrounds, and have no complaints.
post #674 of 953
I had 2.4SEs partnered with a crazy ensemble of other makes: B&W CDM CSE center, 601S2 rears, mirage nanasat back surround and heights, an Atlantic Tech dipole for wides with an SVS PB12 handling sub duties.

To be honest, I was quite happy with it.

But it was when I switched to a full Thiel setup that I understood what seamless meant. You know how with stereo speakers, you get a phantom center speaker? Now imagine having a phantom "center" between the side surround and the front speaker on each side. It sounds exactly like where my wide speakers are. Except the wide speakers aren't powered. The amazing thing is I am using a 3.7 for front duties and a PP1.2 for surround. These 2 couldn't have been more different in looks. Yet, they form a phantom wide speaker between them as if they were perfectly identical. That's the beauty of their timbre matching.
post #675 of 953
did you ever use your PP1.2 with your CS2.4SEs? I was using their SCS4 with my CS2.4, I was not that happy with it, I can tell the SCS4 sounded slightly diff than my CS2.4. It wasn't THAT bad, just not as seamless as I hoped (maybe my expectation was just too high or buyer's remorse, I did pay full MSRP for the SCS4, lol). Then I had the chance to upgrade my center channel from the SCS4 to a demo MCS1 for like $100 more. It was a no brainer, and now my frontstage is totally awesome. I can see why pp1.2 would be a good match for the CS3.7, as both use the same tweeter. I'd imagine a SCS4 might be a better match than a MCS1.
post #676 of 953
Well currently I am testing a Focal 700 center and sounds awesome. Of course it is too big to fit with the HT stand ... currently sitting on the floor aimed up and still sounds pretty good. Of course if I place it on a stand it will be about a foot in front of the video screen ... will the Audessy set up adjust for distances so this set up works??
post #677 of 953
Embarrassed to report that due to space limitations, my setup is changing from 5 1.6s + Thiel Sub+crossover, to a set up of three 1.6's along the front, Thiel sub+crossover, and two Powerplane speakers for the surrounds..... and you know what, it sounds very good!

I've been a fan of five matched speakers all around, but they couldn't be placed optimally in my room (they ended up on the second row riser) and in this situation, having the speaker higher and slightly further away (in wall) has made an improvement. Even discrete 5.1 surround music mixes of "pop" music (eg, Pink Floyd, Flaming Lips) works well, and for movies it is even more enveloping.

Anyone know what a pair of great condition used 1.6's go for these days? Used to be $1600 but I'm guessing with time it's down to perhaps $1200?
post #678 of 953
I have a pair of Thiel 03a's. The EQ that came with it is not working properly. Thiel no longer services. They suggested I get a parametris Presonus EQ. But it's no longer available.

Anyone have experience with this?
post #679 of 953
Well, I found a pair of CS3's for sale locally by the original owner. The equalizer is not available, but for home theater it is not needed, Thiel does not reccomend the equalizer if you have a subwoofer. I will move my CS2's to become surrounds, the CS3's become fronts and have them driven by an NAD power amp mated to the Yamaha Aventage 700. The sub remains my favorite HSU research. I think this will make a very very nice ht system. Let you know what it can do after it is all up and running.
post #680 of 953
Hi all. I have enjoyed reading the posts from all of you Thiel owners. I have a pair of almost 25 year old CS2s for main stereo listening and the MCS1 center channel for multichannel and home theater use. I also have an AAD sub and Boston Acoutics dipole surrounds, but ideally I would like to have matching Thiel speakers for those functions. Of course, there is that ever thorny $$$ issue! Anyway, I have thoroughly enjoyed my Thiels for a long time and am scared to hear newer models so that I will not feel bad about my older models.
post #681 of 953
Do not bother listening for newer stuff! Patience pays off, CS3's pop up for sale relatively inexpensive. As I said in previous posts, CS3 fronts, CS2 rears and a Focal center, sounds amazing driven by an NAD T955 power amp and a Yamaha Aventage 700 PRE/PRO. My choice for sub is a HSU VTF 12. I think the sound is phenomenal! My wife says I have proven vintage Thiels can go up against any current speaker in the same category and the Thiels will win every time.
post #682 of 953
Had a set of 3 MCS1's for LCR with PowerPoints for surrounds. Stopped by my Thiel dealer just to say Hi and he had a pair of CS2.4's at a very good price (demo only, never sold). Man oh man are those good! Couldn't leave without them, so now I'm using the CS2.4's for L/R, a MCS1 as center, the MCS1 pair as surrounds and the PP's as back channels. Honestly, this is about as good as I ever heard any HT and when the CS2.4's are used for stereo only, they completely disappear! Just a perfect performance happening right in front of me.

I can only recommend anyone to listen to the CS2.4's, no matter how much you are going to spend on new speakers.
post #683 of 953
Those sound like great setups there, bogiedr and audiojan! I don't have room for floorstanders as rear speakers, but it would be nice to maybe get some PowerPoints for surrounds and a Thiel sub some day. But yes, the vintage Thiels were built to last and still sound fantastic.
post #684 of 953
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Originally Posted by Audiojan View Post

Had a set of 3 MCS1's for LCR with PowerPoints for surrounds. Stopped by my Thiel dealer just to say Hi and he had a pair of CS2.4's at a very good price (demo only, never sold). Man oh man are those good! Couldn't leave without them, so now I'm using the CS2.4's for L/R, a MCS1 as center, the MCS1 pair as surrounds and the PP's as back channels. Honestly, this is about as good as I ever heard any HT and when the CS2.4's are used for stereo only, they completely disappear! Just a perfect performance happening right in front of me.

I can only recommend anyone to listen to the CS2.4's, no matter how much you are going to spend on new speakers.

Congrats!

MCS1 as surrounds must be awesome
post #685 of 953
I knew the CS2.4's would be an improvement in stereo, but I wasn't prepared for the huge different they made both as a full range stereo pair and as front speakers (and I do use an 80Hz crossover to the subs for HT). The MCS1's as surround made an equal impact in the HT. The PowerPoints are great speakers, but they do lack impact and I never really realized how much information goes on in the surrounds until I got the MCS1's as sides. The PP's are still being used, but only as back surrounds (where the less impact seems to matter less). So, yes, the MCS1's as surrounds are awesome! :-)
post #686 of 953
AudioJam, system looks impressive, I am sure it sounds impressive. The combination cs2 / cs3 is truly amazing!! I expected very good sound, as my cs2's had always delivered excellent sound, but I was not prepared for what they do with HT. The only shame is that now that I am about done with the HT, my Sunday morning obligatory Best Buy trips are not needed!!
post #687 of 953
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post


Anyone know what a pair of great condition used 1.6's go for these days? Used to be $1600 but I'm guessing with time it's down to perhaps $1200?

depends..age, condition, wood finish, original boxes,outriggers, etc all play a part in any sale of speakers...about 1,100 starting for some good bare bones 1.6's...check audiogon.com
post #688 of 953
Thanks. I was seeing stuff on Audiogon for 1k to 1.3k. Ebay was skewed a little lower. I figured that if I could sell local, cash, saving on fees for ebay or the 'gon, and paypal (which together might be $150) if I got 950 for a good condition set, and didn't have to hassle with shipping, that would work well.... and after a few weeks, I managed to find them a new home.

Maybe now that the 1.7s were announced at CES, things might change.
post #689 of 953
Just back from CES. Loved as usual the Thiel booth. I was so happy that Gary Dayton showed me the mock up of the new 3.7 matching center speaker. Not able to hear it, but it was beautiful and will work horizontally or vertically. They also had the new model 1.7.
Good to see Thiel live and well. No price yet on the new center.
post #690 of 953
If the matching center can be used horizontally or vertically, does that mean it won't have that aluminium dome like cs3.7?
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