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post #151 of 225
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Originally Posted by joshd2012 View Post

Who would buy a player which doesn't play all the movies when they could buy a player that does it all?

Cause, you don't want/can't buy a player more than $500.
post #152 of 225
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Originally Posted by joshd2012 View Post

Who would buy a player which doesn't play all the movies when they could buy a player that does it all?


Just for starters:

Because the design might be a compromise
Because the player might not work well
Because with Blu-ray, you already get 85-90% of titles
Because it's too expensive
Because it's a Goldstar
post #153 of 225
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Originally Posted by fa8362 View Post

Because with Blu-ray, you already get 85-90% of titles

You obviously have not been to any store or website selling high def movies -- there are actually more HD-DVD releases than BD releases.

In the long run, dual format players will be all that sell (single format players will become extinct, and any manufacturer that sticks with single format players will lose out).
post #154 of 225
I would not jump to include the PS3 in the equation at this point. Sales have already slowed at less than a million sold. I expect the LG combo player to help HD-DVD. If the price of the LG combo is anywhere near competitive with current Blu-ray players, the combo is the obvious choice for most consumers. On top of that, its expected that even cheaper HD-DVD players will also be announced at the show. That would appeal to those not willing to pay for a player the price of the cheapest PS3 package.
post #155 of 225
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

You obviously have not been to any store or website selling high def movies -- there are actually more HD-DVD releases than BD releases.

I wasn't talking about available titles. BD has 85-90% of studio support.
post #156 of 225
Just heard this on CNBC.

Warner is going to announce a dual format DVD that will have both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray on the same disk.

In other words, it won't matter which player you have.. up to a point.

Only problem would be Sony pictures who would probably wait for hell to freeze over before they would put out a movie that would play on HD-DVD.
post #157 of 225
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Originally Posted by fa8362 View Post

I wasn't talking about available titles. BD has 85-90% of studio support.

And all that support means dick when they don't put anything out on BD.
post #158 of 225
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I wasn't talking about available titles. BD has 85-90% of studio support.

As noted above, there are still more HD-DVD releases available.

You might want to look at the % DVD sales of Universal (and Weinstein) titles. Hint: They total significantly more than 15%.

If you consider the % of popular films, the numbers would be quite different. Not all studios are equal.

I don't see what any of this has to do with a dual-format player.
post #159 of 225
yoyoniner,

But now you are changing the argument. You said that Universal would flip because of increased capacity, etc, and all that was there before the announcement of dual format players.

You talk about the PS3, but ignore the XBOX add on, or the possibility that the next XBOX will have an internal HD DVD player. Personally, I dont think either will have much of an effect.

I also dont necessarily see the userbase being any different for the two formats, again, because I dont think the game consoles will make that much of a difference.
post #160 of 225
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

You might want to add up the % DVD sales of Universal and Weinstein studios.

Hint: They total more than 15%.

As noted above, there are still more HD-DVD releases available.

I made no reference to DVD sales. My figures are box office market share (dollars).

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/
post #161 of 225
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Originally Posted by fa8362 View Post

Just for starters:

Because the design might be a compromise
Because the player might not work well
Because with Blu-ray, you already get 85-90% of titles
Because it's too expensive
Because it's a Goldstar

funny.

Because its to expensive?
post #162 of 225
People keep referring to the PS3 as being a catalyst in this war because of it's BR player...have you ever thought that because of this dual format player, and others to follow, that the PS3 may well be obsolete??I mean what if next gen XBOX has dual format drive in it?? What if Nintendo release a new console alongside of the Wii that has a dual format drive in it?? What will the PS3 be then? You dont really believe that any of the studios did not see this coming do you??I was going to buy the PS3 as a cheap BR player but decided against this........There is not one BR title i want...well, Crouching Tiger and House Of The Flying Daggers....but not until the remaster comes out.......this probably will become a software war not a format war with the release of the new universal players and by summer we may see a Denon playing this:
BD
HD DVD
DVD CD DVD AUDIO
SACD
And any other disc you can think of......

Oh yea this is great news for BR...at least now they will have a BR player that plays CD's!!!
post #163 of 225
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Originally Posted by fa8362 View Post

Just for starters:

Because it's a Goldstar

Sony DirectTV receivers and DVRs were made by Goldstar and who knows what else. Be careful when you buy Sony too

- Rich
post #164 of 225
If dual format players become the norm, or at least common, studios will just eventually go with the format that is cheaper and easier to put out. I suspect that's not BR.
J
post #165 of 225
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Originally Posted by joshd2012 View Post

No. If dual format players become the norm (which I expect them to), then studios have no reason to switch from whatever format they are supporting now as they are guaranteed to have nearly 100% consumer support in the future regardless.

Cheaper production costs and higher profits wouldn't be enough reason? Wow, and I thought they were in it to make money. Silly me.
J
post #166 of 225
now for the big question. which forum will the User's Thread go in?
post #167 of 225
MODS:
can we combine the 2 threads about this to just one it is getting confusing??

Thank you
post #168 of 225
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

Get a clue. I along with others (including mods) in the other thread have expressed our dissapointment for one simple reason... it prolongs the life of TWO formats rather than one and therefore will prolong everything we hate about the format war.

What is/was your "& The Mods" estimate for "The War" into continue w/o ultra-multi's?
What is your "& The Mods" estimate for "The War" to continue now w/combo's?
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

The consumer will not be a winner if the format war is prolonged and confusion lingers, which is exactly what dual format players will do in my opinion. Most people have a life and want things simple, so they'll just give up on the entire thing...

What's more "simple" than you buy a player and it plays all the discs???
The consumer is the ultimate winner w/combo.
The "win/win" choice of a combo player is the ultimate wining situation for the consumer to be in. Especially in the time of a format war.
It's "simple", buy the combo and the war is over for the consumer.
Let the studios & manufactures fight it out. With a combo one can choose any disc from either waring format they wish to.
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

as HD DVR VOD becomes increasingly ubiquitous.

Different market than we are discussing with pre-recorded media.
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

I don't know many people that want to make a "choice" of which "type" of disc to buy when they go shopping for movies, and I doubt many retailers want to stock their shelves with a red case and a blue case for every release indefinitely.

WoW
Were to start?
OK, people make a "choice" each and every time they purchase a disc.
There are full screen, widescreen, special editions, etc. discs out right now for SD DVD. All of a sudden its a BIG deal? Cause the cases are blue or red? It feels like your just making stuff up? Do you really think people are just walking up and grabbing discs with no concern at all about price or features or compatability?
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

Now also the consumer has even more confusion as they have to choose between essentially 3 different types of players, and if they have one of these types they then have to choose what format to buy each movie on. J6P isn't AVS.

Your realise your argement here is a mess right?
Yoyo say: "if they have one of these types they then have to choose what format to buy each movie on. J6P isn't AVS."
Which, I would think we all agree with. It's all our fear, or should be, that "The War" will turn off the average consumer (J6P).
However, the very cause or your & mine concern, is your previous statement in your arguement; "Now also the consumer has even more confusion as they have to choose between essentially 3 different types of players, and if they have one of these types they then have to choose what format to buy each movie on. "
It's really two types of players for the average consumer, one type of player that only plays one type of HD Disc (BD & HD DVD) vs. one player that plays two types of HD Discs (combos).
See how "simple" that is???
vs. having to chose between two waring formats, one of which may not be around for long.
post #169 of 225
It is interresting that nothing has been discussed so far about the impact of Warner's Total HD disc on this whole scenario. Is it possible that the BD and HD-DVD titles disappear and instead this new Total HD title is used instead as a way to give the perception that there is only one format?


By the way... what has been up witht his server the past few days. Every time I try to get on it says that the server is busy.
post #170 of 225
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Originally Posted by Casull View Post

It is interresting that nothing has been discussed so far about the impact of Warner's Total HD disc on this whole scenario. Is it possible that the BD and HD-DVD titles disappear and instead this new Total HD title is used instead as a way to give the perception that there is only one format?


By the way... what has been up witht his server the past few days. Every time I try to get on it says that the server is busy.

I'm not convinced total HD will be a factor. For one thing, it will be more expensive, for another, I can't see Sony, or Universal going that route. It won't work unless all studios agree to do it. We also need to know its capacities.
J
PS. I'm having problems getting on too.
post #171 of 225
I think we all need to stop and think about the gravity of this!

If LG is truly going to put out a combo player, then it has the potential to completely reframe the argument. Think about going into BB or CC when this player is available. IF you have customers interested in an HD disc player (of either format) but are confused or unsure, and you want to make a sale (stores do like to sell things) then you will say "hey there is a player that does both!" IF it ends up being in between the HD DVD and BD players in price....guess what people will buy?


Now you have erased the format issue from peoples minds. They will buy the titles that appeal to them AND the ones that provide the best PQ and AQ. So if HD DVD doe a better job here, they can put BD away. Same works the other way. IF both formats still have some exclusive studios and are of equal quality and near in price, BOTH might survive.

It is SENSELESS for those of us who are interested in HD content to sit here and whine over who's side this benefits. If it mens more mainstrean adoption of either or both format, that means more titles and cheaper prices for ALL OF US.

I am so sick of the format fanboys on both sides!!! Can't you see that this could be the begining of a breaking point for HD content that would mean bennefits for all of us. I guess it's esy for me to say that...I own an XA1 and a PS3....so even without a combo player, I am still set. But I guess that kind of objectivity only comes when you get beyond arguing over whos format is better. That is where a combo player gets us....to a point where the format itself is irrelevent and HD content is ALL that matters!
post #172 of 225
Curlyjive, thanks for the great post.
post #173 of 225
I think too much is being made of the effect the PS3 will have on the format war. I don't know anyone who uses a PS2 as a DVD player. The interface is clunky and it is easier and cheaper to buy a stand-alone player. I don't see any reason things would be different with the high definition formats, especially as prices fall to the $200-$300 range.

Personally, I think the dual format player is great news. Curently, when I go to buy writable DVDs, I don't care whether I am buying DVD+R or DVD-R. They are functionally the same for me. I put them in my DVD drive and write to them. What could be simpler for people than to buy a high definition player and have it play all high definition disks. Once you have a universal player, the color of the box is completely irrelevant. It is as unimportant as the choice between DVD+R and DVD-R or the choice of whether I fill my car at Shell or BP.

I have some major AV enthusiasts as friends. Not one of them has purchsaed either format player because they are afraid that if they pick the wrong one, they could end up with a useless player and a bunch of disks that are unplayable on current machines. A universal player is just what they have been waiting for. This could be what it will take for high definition disks to go mainstream. People can buy a player without worry.

I had been satisfied with the choice of movies on HD-DVD until they announced Lawrence of Arabia on BD. Now I want a universal player.

Joe
post #174 of 225
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Originally Posted by Casull View Post

It is interresting that nothing has been discussed so far about the impact of Warner's Total HD disc on this whole scenario. Is it possible that the BD and HD-DVD titles disappear and instead this new Total HD title is used instead as a way to give the perception that there is only one format?

Is Warner's total HD a disk with both formats (one on each side) or is it an entirely new format??
post #175 of 225
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Is Warner's total HD a disk with both formats (one on each side) or is it an entirely new format??

One on each side so it will play on both BD and HD-DVD player.

Joe
post #176 of 225
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Originally Posted by Joe Linn View Post

I think too much is being made of the effect the PS3 will have on the format war. I don't know anyone who uses a PS2 as a DVD player. The interface is clunky and it is easier and cheaper to buy a stand-alone player. I don't see any reason things would be different with the high definition formats, especially as prices fall to the $200-$300 range.


I had been satisfied with the choice of movies on HD-DVD until they announced Lawrence of Arabia on BD. Now I want a universal player.

Joe

I'm not sure why people continue to compare the DVD functions of the PS2 to the Blu-ray functions of the PS3. They're completely different. Right now, the PS3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player you can get and it's getting pretty good ratings as a player as well. That alone has caused a number of people to purchase the unit.
post #177 of 225
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Originally Posted by fa8362 View Post

Just for starters:


Because with Blu-ray, you already get 85-90% of titles


Wow, that's a load!
post #178 of 225
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Originally Posted by fa8362 View Post

I wasn't talking about available titles. BD has 85-90% of studio support.

Is that why you said titles, becasue you weren't talking about titles?
post #179 of 225
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Originally Posted by Chris in SD View Post

Wow, that's a load!

Studio market share says otherwise:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/
post #180 of 225
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Originally Posted by csmith75 View Post

I'm not sure why people continue to compare the DVD functions of the PS2 to the Blu-ray functions of the PS3. They're completely different. Right now, the PS3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player you can get and it's getting pretty good ratings as a player as well. That alone has caused a number of people to purchase the unit.


You'll note that I said "especially as prices fall to the $200-$300 range." At that point, the PS3 would no longer be the cheapest player.

The situations are not different at all. The PS2 and PS3 are both designed as game machines and they also function as a disk player. The PS3 doesn't even have IR capabilities, so it can't be programed on a universal remote. Average folks who want a disc player aren't going to buy a $600 game machine and fiddle with a joystick and a strange interface when they can go out and buy a stand-alone player for $200-$300.

Joe
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