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post #31 of 231
1/5/07 at 8:04am
I have to agree that I thought there would be more demand for the PS3, at this time last year the Xbox 360 couldn't be mail-ordered for retail price.
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post #32 of 231
1/5/07 at 8:29am
I just went to Best Buy to get the NBA2K7 for my son, no game, no PS3 there. Then I went to Walmart, no game but they had PS3, then I went to EB Games, they had both the NBA2K7 and PS3, but no Wii.

I want Wii, I want Wii!
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post #33 of 231
1/5/07 at 8:37am
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I have to agree that I thought there would be more demand for the PS3, at this time last year the Xbox 360 couldn't be mail-ordered for retail price.

The 360 clearly had a lot more production problems. You couldn't even find a 360 in January or February of last year. Yes, I agree, they were "sold out." But according to NPD they only sold 249,000 and 161,000 consoles respectively! That's definetly a supply issue.
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post #34 of 231
1/5/07 at 8:43am
Just ordered my ps3 from bestbuy.com. I don't like supporting them but I am tired of reading about blu-ray and hd-dvds from the sidelines.

I'm so excited.......
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post #35 of 231
1/5/07 at 10:58am
They had at least 25 at Fry's in Irving, TX yesterday. They still insist on bundling, so it's about $860 for the 60 gig and two games and the service plan. I've also seen them at Gamestop in Denton and Lewisville.
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post #36 of 231
1/5/07 at 11:55am
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I just went to Best Buy to get the NBA2K7 for my son, no game, no PS3 there. Then I went to Walmart, no game but they had PS3, then I went to EB Games, they had both the NBA2K7 and PS3, but no Wii.

I want Wii, I want Wii!

You just want to go "WII WII WII!" all the way home don't you?
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post #37 of 231
1/5/07 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

Yes, I agree, they were "sold out." But according to NPD they only sold 249,000 and 161,000 consoles respectively! That's definetly a supply issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360 states that 0.9 million Xbox 360s were sold in North America from launch to end of year, which is consistent with what I remember reading when I was looking for one. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_5563944.htm says that NPD stated that the PS3 has sold 0.75 million and was outsold more than double by the Xbox 360. Again I just thought there would be more demand for the PS3 at launch.
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post #38 of 231
1/5/07 at 1:34pm
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You just want to go "WII WII WII!" all the way home don't you?


LOL
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post #39 of 231
1/5/07 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360 states that 0.9 million Xbox 360s were sold in North America from launch to end of year, which is consistent with what I remember reading when I was looking for one. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_5563944.htm says that NPD stated

NPD hasn't released their final December numbers for the PS3 so we have no idea how much it has sold in 06, but 750K sounds about right. As far as comparing the two, the 360 launched with no competition. The PS3 launched with two competing consoles.

Either way I wasn't talking about launch, I was talking about your comment that you are judging availibility as your sole criteria for judging demand. January/February sales for the 360 were "sold out" for two months but they only shipped around 400,000 consoles. so the fact it was "sold out" and the PS3 is "not" says very little what the actual demand is when one console only shipped 400,000 consoles to NA in two months. That's a really low number for two months and I remember at this time MS was having a lot of production issues.

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that the PS3 has sold 0.75 million and was outsold more than double by the Xbox 360.

Not sure what this says about anything since you are comparing the launch numbers of one console to the 2nd holiday season of another? Apples and oranges. Are you saying that if the PS3 could have shipped as many as 360 this holiday it wouldn't have sold as many as the 360 did?

Either way my entire point is that you can't judge "demand" purely by whether something is "readily available" or not.
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post #40 of 231
1/5/07 at 2:48pm
the shortage is over because demand for a ps3 has greatly diminished. Public desire to own a ps3 dropped and is over shadowed by the wii.
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post #41 of 231
1/5/07 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

my entire point is that you can't judge "demand" purely by whether something is "readily available" or not.

For discussion I'll assume most of the numbers I've seen are good. In the same relative time frame, from launch to end of year, the Xbox 360 sold somewhere around 1.5 million and the PS3 about 0.75 million. Everything I had read suggested that Sony would probably have a smaller amount of supply in the first few months than Xbox did. Considering projected supply and the sales of Xbox 360 last year, I was surprised that the PS3 would already be available for MSRP mail-order from a major electronics retailer.

Before release my guess had been that the initial number of people buying a PS3 might possibly equal the demand for the 360 after launch. Sure I'm willing to assume that a portion of the sales difference is due to holiday purchases, but considering the price tags I assume that a majority of sales are not gifts. I really don't think you're suggesting that Sony has already shipped anywhere near as many units as Microsoft had by late February of last year, so I can't think of any basis that you might be defending the amount of demand (people readily willing to buy) for the PS3 in comparison to what the Xbox 360 has had.
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post #42 of 231
1/5/07 at 4:04pm
Where's a Swiffer when you need it?
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post #43 of 231
1/5/07 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

For discussion I'll assume most of the numbers I've seen are good. In the same relative time frame, from launch to end of year, the Xbox 360 sold somewhere around 1.5 million and the PS3 about 0.75 million. Everything I had read suggested that Sony would probably have a smaller amount of supply in the first few months than Xbox did. Considering projected supply and the sales of Xbox 360 last year, I was surprised that the PS3 would already be available for MSRP mail-order from a major electronics retailer.

Before release my guess had been that the initial number of people buying a PS3 might possibly equal the demand for the 360 after launch. Sure I'm willing to assume that a portion of the sales difference is due to holiday purchases, but considering the price tags I assume that a majority of sales are not gifts. I really don't think you're suggesting that Sony has already shipped anywhere near as many units as Microsoft had by late February of last year, so I can't think of any basis that you might be defending the amount of demand (people readily willing to buy) for the PS3 in comparison to what the Xbox 360 has had.

you are not taking into consideration that the 1.5 million shipped 360s was global not just NA/Japan. Only ~675k 360s were sold in NA during the launch to years end.
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post #44 of 231
1/5/07 at 5:33pm
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The PS3 launched with two competing consoles.

3 competing consoles;
the #1 seller was the PS2...

ken
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post #45 of 231
1/5/07 at 5:37pm
Ask the kids, the say Wii,Wii,Wii. Most kids don't have a hd set or if they do their parents will not let them use the Wii on the HD set. It is really more than that it is the involvement in the game and the the Wii wins hands down. Sony has made a unit that is probably as good or better than the 360 the point is that it is not enough better. Most gamers don't care about the Blu-Ray drive at this point. I hope that most of the Ebat horders got hurt but I bet they will just return the players. I feel that Sony made a big mistake by including a Blu-Ray player in the PS3. It made the price too high for the average customer. This could be another disaster for Sony. Don't think that I am bashing Sony. I own a PS3 and I am using it as a Blu-Ray player. It is the best Blu-Ray player for the price. The thing is that Sony is loosing money on each unit sold. I will probably never use it for games and I saved $400 if you compare the cost to other Blu-Ray players.
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post #46 of 231
1/5/07 at 7:05pm
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Just ordered my ps3 from bestbuy.com. I don't like supporting them but I am tired of reading about blu-ray and hd-dvds from the sidelines.

I'm so excited.......

Congtas, Vike!
We love ours!

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post #47 of 231
1/5/07 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner View Post

The 360 clearly had a lot more production problems. You couldn't even find a 360 in January or February of last year. Yes, I agree, they were "sold out." But according to NPD they only sold 249,000 and 161,000 consoles respectively! That's definetly a supply issue.

No, the demand was just higher. It's ok to admit it. Even analysts are clearly showing that the demand for the PS3 is VERY low.
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post #48 of 231
1/5/07 at 7:09pm
Can't find a wii round near me for love or Money. PS3's much easier, heck they were selling at Store prices & below on EBay. There were so many PS3's on Ebay at regular prices, I don;t know what al the fuss was. But theose wii's I want one, can;t find one. As a previous poster said, not prepared to sit in the rain all night though.
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post #49 of 231
1/5/07 at 7:09pm
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the shortage is over because demand for a ps3 has greatly diminished. Public desire to own a ps3 dropped and is over shadowed by the wii.


The PS3 was never in high demand except by die hard Sony Playstation fans. Everyone else will wait for the price to drop and the game selection to increase. They have been lucky to sell as many as they have but I guess with over 100 million Playstation fans, there must have been 700,000-800,000 die hard fans willing to shell out $600 for it. A drop in the bucket compared to the market share they've enjoyed for the last decade.

Microsoft continues to conquer on all fronts. It's hard to fault them when they gave gamers everything they could have asked for. I'm just happy they listen to what gamers want instead of Sony trying to force their own agendas on the consumer.
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post #50 of 231
1/5/07 at 7:11pm
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Can't find a wii round near me for love or Money. PS3's much easier, heck they were selling at Store prices & below on EBay. There were so many PS3's on Ebay at regular prices, I don;t know what al the fuss was. But theose wii's I want one, can;t find one. As a previous poster said, not prepared to sit in the rain all night though.

I'm willing to bet in February you'll be able to buy a Wii almost anywhere. Nintendo isn't having any build issues, and supply will catch up to demand very soon. The X-mas rush just caught everyone off guard.
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post #51 of 231
1/5/07 at 7:48pm
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I'm willing to bet in February you'll be able to buy a Wii almost anywhere. Nintendo isn't having any build issues, and supply will catch up to demand very soon. The X-mas rush just caught everyone off guard.

Yup - way too early to be picking winners and losers - I'd wager that if all the PS3s that are available now were out there on Black Friday, they would have sold. Since they weren't, and Wiis were relatively common (in comparison) and way cheaper, many kids who wanted a new system for Christmas got a Wii as a consolation prize.

Now don't take that wrong - the Wii is a fun gaming machine, and many will end up as happy or happier with it than they would have had they received the PS3. Sony's only error was not having this plethora of machines out there before Christmas.

That said, our local Target has had them in stock for 3 days without selling out. 20s and 60s. But so what - I already have my PS3, and I'm glad. Sure they'll get cheaper - but again so what? I paid around 4 bills for my first dvd player (480i output) - now they can be had for a tenth of the money, but my first one is still working. (As is my PS2, which I also picked up at launch. Seemingly, forever ago.)
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post #52 of 231
1/5/07 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

You can now get a PS3 (20GB or 60GB) at amazon.com. Tax free and free shipping isn't a bad deal.

I got one the other day at a Wal-Mart and the stock hasn't moved.

I think it's safe to say that if you want one, you can get one now.

I think the bad news for Sony is that most willing to pay for one may already have.


I was in the Ann Arbor MI Best Buy/Magnolia about three days before Christmas.
I wanted to get a better look at the Sony and Pio Elite BD players.
They had three PS3's on a table in plain sight at the stores entrance. The BB sales drone was raving, you better pick one up or they will be gone. I spent over two hours in the store looking over gear. When I came out, they had four on the table. I asked the guy and he said they found another PS3 in the warehouse. Please!!
I think there was a lot of, you want what you can't have marketing going on with the PS3.

Craig
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post #53 of 231
1/5/07 at 8:21pm
Given the price and since there really are no good games out for PS3 right now (except for Resistance), I am really not surprised. Let's hope for a price drop. Sony may be in trouble.

They need Solid Snake to come to the rescue and they need him now.
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post #54 of 231
1/5/07 at 10:16pm
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No, the demand was just higher. It's ok to admit it. Even analysts are clearly showing that the demand for the PS3 is VERY low.

The demand for the 360 was higher last year than for the PS3 is now? OK, prove it. And saying the 360 was "not on shelves" this time of year is not proof especially when we know MS shipped only 249,000 consoles this entire month last year. And saying the PS3 is "on shelves at some stores" right now is also not proof unless you can provide me with an idea of exactly how many consoles Sony is shipping. It's OK to admit it if you don't have any facts beyond mere "availability" to prove your theory though.
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post #55 of 231
1/5/07 at 10:35pm
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No, the demand was just higher. It's ok to admit it. Even analysts are clearly showing that the demand for the PS3 is VERY low.

Any time you ship/sell a million of anything inside of 2 months I wouldn't call that "Low demand"

xbox360's were breaking right & left last year at this time, so MSFT couldn't keep up with demand. They were also so far ahead of anything out at the tme graphically that there was a mad rush to get it. Now you factor in that ps3 (at this point) is either as good or worse than 360 on most games you aren't going to have people jumping on top eachother to get more of the same. As time goes on and killer apps become the norm on ps3, more an more people will jump aboard. If ps3 sold a mill in it's first 2 months, it will easily have sold over 10 mill by this time next year.
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post #56 of 231
1/5/07 at 10:37pm
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Microsoft continues to conquer on all fronts. It's hard to fault them when they gave gamers everything they could have asked for. I'm just happy they listen to what gamers want instead of Sony trying to force their own agendas on the consumer.


It's posts like this that make me convinced that AVS is filled with MS employees that post here. Usually the average person is very suspicious of Microsoft but for some reason AVS is filled with a new breed I have never seen on other forums--a one-two combo punch that usually includes a Sony=evil / Sony is forcing their evil ways and agenda upon us, while on the opposite side of the fence sits Microsoft (of all companies!)... a corporation that is concerned only about us the consumer and gives "us" exactly what we want. Now if that isn't hilarious...

Anyways you must have missed the Teamxbox forums and the collective outrage by Xbox fans when MS announced what was henceforth known to be the "tard pack" by its most hardcore fans, a console that literally had absolutely no way to save your games out of the box. What a pro-gamer move! And you also must have missed those forums in the weeks following this announcement as it started sinking in for fans that the hard drive would no longer be standard but was now a $100 option (for only 20GB!). I'm sure the gamers also didn't want HDMI either (they'll just release a new console later on with it in and sell it to the same suckers that bought the launch units and wanted it in the first place). Microsoft is such a saint, always pro-consumer and no agenda in anything they do. LOL!
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post #57 of 231
1/5/07 at 10:42pm
already on the way. Man, if I were an early adopter I'd be a bit peeved...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/t...dename-zephyr/
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post #58 of 231
1/5/07 at 11:10pm
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It's posts like this that make me convinced that AVS is filled with MS employees that post here. Usually the average person is very suspicious of Microsoft but for some reason AVS is filled with a new breed I have never seen on other forums--a one-two combo punch that usually includes a Sony=evil / Sony is forcing their evil ways and agenda upon us, while on the opposite side of the fence sits Microsoft (of all companies!)... a corporation that is concerned only about us the consumer and gives "us" exactly what we want. Now if that isn't hilarious...

Anyways you must have missed the Teamxbox forums and the collective outrage by Xbox fans when MS announced what was henceforth known to be the "tard pack" by its most hardcore fans, a console that literally had absolutely no way to save your games out of the box. What a pro-gamer move! And you also must have missed those forums in the weeks following this announcement as it started sinking in for fans that the hard drive would no longer be standard but was now a $100 option (for only 20GB!). I'm sure the gamers also didn't want HDMI either (they'll just release a new console later on with it in and sell it to the same suckers that bought the launch units and wanted it in the first place). Microsoft is such a saint, always pro-consumer and no agenda in anything they do. LOL!

Maybe you should practice what you preach.?
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post #59 of 231
1/5/07 at 11:37pm
PS3's are now out of stock at Best Buy. Also Amazon.
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post #60 of 231
1/6/07 at 12:06am
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Opposite around here. Plenty of PS3's, no Wii's.

same here, Wii's and even XBOX360 actually seem to be selling better. I see people walk up to the table at front of BB and look over the PS3's but then put them back. Been sitting there, a big pile, at the front on a desk with what looks to be like only about 1 selling every other day or so, and I am not exactly in some remote little town.

not so sure it is that they are keeping with demand, but demand seems to be weakish, at least for the 60GB copies.

not sure Sony can feel good about this.

have to say i'm somewhat shocked.
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