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post #1 of 33
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I've been slowly building a nice library of some of my favorite TV shows on DVD.
I've recently added a PS3 to my setup and am curious if anybody knows when we might expect to see some of the TV box sets being available in Blu-Ray.

With most everything in primetime being broadcast in HD it seems that this could be a no-brainer for the studios to release Blu-Ray.
post #2 of 33
The Sopranos - Season 6, part 1 is out now. It's expensive though.
post #3 of 33
I would like LOST, House, ER, Battlestar, Veronica Mars, I would say Btvs, but alas it was filmed for 4:3.
post #4 of 33
Exago, I see no reason why Btvs can't be released, even in a 4:3 ratio. Later seasons were framed for 16:9 viewing and it may be possible to reframe earlier seasons unless they were shot full frame. As long as it's HD, 4:3 wouldn't be a problem if it was OAR.

Lost is a given, as is Prison Break. Personally speaking I'd love to see Party of Five in HD but given the difficulty in getting a DVD release I'm not holding my breath!

It's funny, I think old TV might have more of a market on BD than on DVD given that we've probably seen show X on TV but we've never seen some shows in HD before. The Seinfeld DVD's were mastered in HD so I imagine they'll turn up on BD one day.
post #5 of 33
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Originally Posted by camaj View Post

As long as it's HD, 4:3 wouldn't be a problem if it was OAR.

Absolutely.
post #6 of 33
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Originally Posted by eXgo View Post

I would like LOST, House, ER, Battlestar, Veronica Mars, I would say Btvs, but alas it was filmed for 4:3.

Lost Season 1 is supposedly coming in February. I've been checking Amazon daily for the pre-order, but so far there is nothing.
post #7 of 33
CSI in BLU Ray that would be goat.
post #8 of 33
I beleive Smallville is coming as well.

~Josh
post #9 of 33
24 would be perfect. FOX are you listening?
post #10 of 33
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Originally Posted by camaj View Post

Exago, I see no reason why Btvs can't be released, even in a 4:3 ratio. Later seasons were framed for 16:9 viewing and it may be possible to reframe earlier seasons unless they were shot full frame. As long as it's HD, 4:3 wouldn't be a problem if it was OAR.

Lost is a given, as is Prison Break. Personally speaking I'd love to see Party of Five in HD but given the difficulty in getting a DVD release I'm not holding my breath!

It's funny, I think old TV might have more of a market on BD than on DVD given that we've probably seen show X on TV but we've never seen some shows in HD before. The Seinfeld DVD's were mastered in HD so I imagine they'll turn up on BD one day.


Actually Btvs was 4:3 all the way. joss whedon even said he wanted it for tv spec.


Angel was 4:3 then switched to 1:78:1.

Early season of Btvs were horrible in the PQ department.
post #11 of 33
24 Seasons 1-6 on Blu-Ray. PERIOD.
post #12 of 33
Buffy like many pre HD era TV shows was shot on film but edited on video. Meaning The masters are on video. The best resolution you will get is 480i or 576i (european masters, but they are pitched up...) Unless they went back and found ALL the original film footage, rescanned it in HD and redid ALL the FX, it's never gonna look much better than it is. Also the first 2 seasons of Buffy were so low budget they actually shot them on 16mm!!!! That's why they look so crappy.
Star Trek TOS was shot and edited on film so the original masters for that show (unlike all the later Treks save Enterprise) are on film which has a higher resolution than even HD. That's why TOS has been remastered in HD. It is possible to redo the others but very doubtful.
post #13 of 33
Enterprise was outstanding hd , I'd buy it on bd.
post #14 of 33
Were shows like Star Trek TNG filmed or only on video? That would be a shame if 480i is the best we could really expect ever.
post #15 of 33
TNG and DS( and voyager were shot on film but edited (and all the FX done) on 480i video. There aren't even prints of edited shows on film. Heaven knows where all the original film stems are and what condition they'd even be in. TOS was shot and edited on film. The original final masters are film. Therefore much easier to transfer to HD which is currently being done.
post #16 of 33
Back before the first BD discs actually shipped, Stargate Atlantis season 1 was on the Sony list of planned releases.
post #17 of 33
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Buffy like many pre HD era TV shows was shot on film but edited on video. Meaning The masters are on video. The best resolution you will get is 480i or 576i (european masters, but they are pitched up...) Unless they went back and found ALL the original film footage, rescanned it in HD and redid ALL the FX, it's never gonna look much better than it is. Also the first 2 seasons of Buffy were so low budget they actually shot them on 16mm!!!! That's why they look so crappy.
Star Trek TOS was shot and edited on film so the original masters for that show (unlike all the later Treks save Enterprise) are on film which has a higher resolution than even HD. That's why TOS has been remastered in HD. It is possible to redo the others but very doubtful.

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post #18 of 33
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Back before the first BD discs actually shipped, Stargate Atlantis season 1 was on the Sony list of planned releases.


I have some eps of Stargate atlantis in HD. off of OTA
post #19 of 33
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24 Seasons 1-6 on Blu-Ray. PERIOD.

I second that!!!
post #20 of 33
the first season of MARTIN just came to dvd. which I have been waiting for the longest. but I would love to see it on BD wich would be very nice imo.
post #21 of 33
I would like to see Las Vegas on Blu-ray. The eye-candy without the MB seen on HDTV would be nice.
post #22 of 33
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Unless they went back and found ALL the original film footage, rescanned it in HD and redid ALL the FX, it's never gonna look much better than it is.

Well yes, that's true of every tv show pre-99 (for arguments sake). Like you say, they went back and did it for Star Trek, they even redid some of the models. I'm not sure if the SFX would have to be redone but they could possible upscale those shots. Aside from shots of vampires being dusted I can't think of much CGI. Most of it was make-up and costumes.

You're right though, the first season (really a half season) and perhaps the second were shot on 16mm. If I were Fox, I'd make sure I'd have a trailer on the S1 box that had plenty of footage from the later seasons just so people knew that better quality was possible.
post #23 of 33
X-files, Buffy and Angel for the cult fans!
post #24 of 33
Can't believe no one mentioned Heroes. Also, Scrubs would have been nice if they filmed more shows in widescreen format.
post #25 of 33
I believe Heroes is NBC Universal which would probably get released by Universal (unless they have a separate distribution deal) so no BD lovin'
post #26 of 33
My name is Earl, a natural for BD.
post #27 of 33
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Buffy like many pre HD era TV shows was shot on film but edited on video. Meaning The masters are on video. The best resolution you will get is 480i or 576i (european masters, but they are pitched up...) Unless they went back and found ALL the original film footage, rescanned it in HD and redid ALL the FX, it's never gonna look much better than it is. Also the first 2 seasons of Buffy were so low budget they actually shot them on 16mm!!!! That's why they look so crappy.

Presumably if Btvs was posted in the video domain it would only have been posted once - so was either mastered in 480i or 576i? (Though it could have used something like the Quantel Editbox solution of telecine to 576/50i treated as 576/48i with editing in the 24p domain and then playout at 480/60i 3:2 and 576/50i 2:2 on two separate passes)

If it was mastered 480/60i 3:2 then I would expect the 576/50i masters to be simply DEFT standards conversions, where the 480/60i 3:2 is reverse 3:2ed to 576/48i 2:2 and then sped up on replay to 576/50i. The result is that the 576i masters are still limited to the 480i resolution but lose the 3:2 cadence. (The exception to this rule was S1 of 24 aired in the UK in 16:9 SD but from a non-DEFT transfer - so we got the same speed/pitch as the US version - but with all the awful artefacts that 60i 3:2 to 50i 2:2 conversion with no reverse 3:2 removal adds to a conversion. It really did look pants)

However - as a UK viewer - BBC Two aired later series of Btvs in 16:9 FHA - were these simply 16:9 crop and zooms of a video master (so massively reduced in vertical resolution) - or was the show posted again for 16:9, or posted in 16:9 and 4:3 masters derived from this?
post #28 of 33
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Originally Posted by camaj View Post

Well yes, that's true of every tv show pre-99 (for arguments sake). Like you say, they went back and did it for Star Trek, they even redid some of the models. I'm not sure if the SFX would have to be redone but they could possible upscale those shots. Aside from shots of vampires being dusted I can't think of much CGI. Most of it was make-up and costumes.

Reading this bit of your post I think you may be missing the point?

The original 60s Star Trek (aka TOS) was shot AND edited on 35mm film. Therefore complete episodes exist as edited film masters. These can be re-telecined using HD equipment to generate an HD master, that can then be restored. However it isn't necessary to go back to the original camera rushes and re-transfer these in HD and re-edit in HD - as the 35mm edited master exists and can be simply re-telecined using an HD telecine. This production process - shoot 35mm / edit 35mm remained standard throughout the 60s, 70s and early 80s for a lot of US drama (though wasn't as widespread in the UK - where video was used more widely, and mixed video / film production was widespread)

Therefore shows shot in this period on film are relatively straightforward to master to HD. Sure there will be some requirements to clean them up (scratch/dirt/sparkle removal, and you might want to re-caption them) and possibly to re-frame them slightly to reduce the 4:3 pillarboxing (though personally OAR would be best for me)

HOWEVER - in the 80s - with the improvements made in video editing, and the lower costs involved with video post production, it became popular to shoot on 35mm film, but then transfer the camera rushes to video for editing in the video domain, at standard definition.

As a result, shows like Star Trek : TNG etc. were only ever edited in the standard def video domain, meaning the edited masters only exist in SD, and can't be re-transferred to HD in the same way that a film master can.

The only solution to obtain HD versions of these shows would be to re-transfer the camera rushes in HD, and then entirely re-edit the shows. In the case of the video edited Star Trek series, this would also require that all the CGI and other special effects (composites etc.) would need to be re-done, as these were done in the SD video domain, not on film (or at film resolution) This is a far more expensive process, and would require a major investment, as well as the original camera rushes to have been archived and still be in good condition (though one would hope this were the case)

It IS ironic that shows like Dynasty (which unlike Dallas didn't move to video post), Knight Rider, Charlies Angels, Quincy MD etc. that were shot AND edited on film could be re-mastered in HD relatively easily (if the 35mm edit masters still exist), but the newer stuff like The X Files, Buffy, Angel, Star Trek : TNG, DS9, Voyager etc. that were shot film BUT edited on SD video need major work to re-master them in HD.
post #29 of 33
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However - as a UK viewer - BBC Two aired later series of Btvs in 16:9 FHA - were these simply 16:9 crop and zooms of a video master (so massively reduced in vertical resolution) - or was the show posted again for 16:9, or posted in 16:9 and 4:3 masters derived from this?

Mastered in 16:9 480i Digibeta, the 4:3 versions are all centre-cropped versions. And all bar season one exist in this format -- although the BBC only transmitted from S4 onwards in 16:9 and the UK DVD releases matched this. Interestingly, it is obvious that the BBC did some further work on the series before transmission to neaten the 16:9 presentation over what is on the DVD.

Unfortunately, although the show was mastered and effects done in 16:9, there are several occasions where it is obvious they weren't bothered about keeping the 16:9 area safe, so you have weird things like CGI composited on static frames containing frozen actors outside the 4:3 area talking. Also known as a mess

Steven
post #30 of 33
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Mastered in 16:9 480i Digibeta, the 4:3 versions are all centre-cropped versions.

So shot film - transferred 16:9 480/60i (3:2 cadence), edited 480/60i 16:9 3:2, and then transferred to 4:3 480/60i, 4:3 576/50i and 16:9 576/50i - with the 50i versions hopefully converted via a DEFT reverse 3:2 removal device via 48i.

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And all bar season one exist in this format -- although the BBC only transmitted from S4 onwards in 16:9 and the UK DVD releases matched this. Interestingly, it is obvious that the BBC did some further work on the series before transmission to neaten the 16:9 presentation over what is on the DVD.

Didn't the Beeb re-edit The X Files opening sequence as well - I think the aim was to keep all graphics 4:3 centre-cut safe, which is the UK graphics safe standard even for 16:9 action safe productions?

I think they've stopped bothering with this on movies - which are now aired 16:9 letterbox on analogue 4:3 outlets. At one point they used to split the digital and analogue networks to allow a 4:3 pan and scan version to be broadcast on analogue and a 16:9 FHA master to be broadcast on digital outlets. However this is in the era when the NTA and DTA were both in operation. (i.e. the BBC had a separate network playout area for the analogue and digital versions of BBC One and Two)

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Unfortunately, although the show was mastered and effects done in 16:9, there are several occasions where it is obvious they weren't bothered about keeping the 16:9 area safe, so you have weird things like CGI composited on static frames containing frozen actors outside the 4:3 area talking. Also known as a mess

Steven

Yuck... So it was mastered in 16:9 - but only the 4:3 portion was really considered as "safe".
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