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How much gain should/could I expect going from 4600 cubic feet to 1900 cubic feet?

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I have seen in Tom Noussaine's review that he states going from his 7500 cubic foot room to his 2500 cubic foot room you would see a 3db increase.

Does that seem a bit on the low side? If that is true, I think we make way too big of deal about room size.

I have personally experienced an almost night and day subwoofer performance difference between a small room and a much larger one with my old sub. I never measured the performance in my old room, but I did in my new room. I can assure you it was more than a 3db difference. I know 3db's is a ncie step up, but not that a huge difference that I experienced.

So my question is to the people more knowledgeable than me in here. What kind of gain is typical?

I am sure the rooms themselves will play a HUGE role, but for argument sake lets use my rooms. My current room is a 32x16x9--fairly decent from a sound standpoint--only one large flat surface--the one with the screen on it. The rest has thick double layer curtain or booshelves, etc. Large overstuffed furniture, 7' bean bag, and a plush rug on a hard wood floor. The ceiling is broken up by large oak 8x8 beams every 4 feet. It has two doors that can be closed, but in no way airtight.
The room I am considering making a dedicated theater room is only 16.5x13x9. I will put a rug down and curtains as well--a small riser and plush seating again. Nothing extravegant, but not a hugely reflective room--flat ceiling though. The back two corners are kind of notched out with two closets that are in the room--helping to break up the long walls and the the back wall. Plus this room will be completely sealed off. So, again is there a general rule or formula for expected gain? What should I expect to see with my Pb12+/2. I can get high teens easily and regularly and have peaked at 120 uncorrected on my Rat shack digital meter in my seated position (only about 8 feet away) in my large room. Thanks.
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I assume it will make a big difference. I never could understand where Nousaine came up with such a formula. My den is 1800 cu. ft. and I use a small 10'' sub that vibrates the walls and can rattle picture frames occasionally. I quess the acoustics also play major role when it comes to room gain. Why not take some measurements in the smaller room and enlighten us. It would be very interesting to see what the results are. I have a feeling that the next action adventure film you watch in that room with your PB12+2 will make it feel like a fun ride at Disney Land!

Ian
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My bedroom is about 1,600 cu. ft. and the 10" Klipsch sub I've got in there pumps out some serious bass. If I stuck that same sub in our family room which is 9,600 cu. ft. you wouldn't even know it was there.
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The 3dB Nousaine notes is for a measurement at only 2m from a subwoofer placed in a corner. This could be quite different from what is comparatively observed at the listening position.

In going to a room that is less than 1/2 the length and volume, I would expect to see the low frequencies shelf up starting in the 20-30Hz range with 4-8dB greater output below 20Hz. In the modal region things become less simple, but if you find similar distributions of modes for the subwoofer and listener location in the room, you will definitely see more average level in the smaller room. Yet in the smaller room you have more likelihood of seeing more significant peaks and recessions in the response than in the larger room. While there are always exceptions, big rooms tend to require more acoustic power to drive to the same levels, but are easier to get smooth response in. Small rooms are much easier to drive at very low frequencies, but have more response irregularities with varying subwoofer and listener position.
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Small rooms are much easier to drive at very low frequencies, but have more response irregularities with varying subwoofer and listener position.

I can see how you can achieve a more linear response in a larger space where the sub is surrounded with more breathing room. I've spend a lot time in the car audio business listening to boomy subwoofers. There is nothing like listening to big drivers in very small spaces that are very difficult to tune.

Ian
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