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post #14461 of 17194
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I'm curious if Lindsey Lohan is finally sober and driving without hitting people. I'm also curious if N. Korea is going to finally stop their nuclear program.

I was wondering the same thing as you Chu.
post #14462 of 17194
Is the "Emo-Q automatic multi-channel room correction and loudspeaker setup." on the UMC-1 preamp any good? Does it work in 2.0 in addition to multi-channel? Does it come close to Audyssey MultEQ XT/XT32, or is Audyssey the best? Emotiva's next preamp (XMC-1) is switching to a version of "TACT® Dynamic Room Correction system." Can anyone comment on that tech?
post #14463 of 17194
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I'm curious if Lindsey Lohan is finally sober and driving without hitting people. I'm also curious if N. Korea is going to finally stop their nuclear program.

You should consider drinking cranberry juice when on your period...
post #14464 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

While some companies just slap a CE logo on the product, others do go to the trouble of not only testing the product but indicating in their manuals just what CE standard they claim compliance with. Check the manuals of something like a Pioneer receiver and you'll see it written along with a sign off signature indicating responsibility. As to what Emotiva does, you'd have to ask them and they should have no problem answering questions in a public forum without derisive remarks. After all, a company that's in compliance has made an internal effort and commitment to play by the rules and one would think would be proud to make that publicly known.

The CE standard largely only has meaning overseas. In the US, other standards exist and there are differences from the CE ones. For example FCC Part 15 B. One will notice that Emotiva's current CDP has the FCC logo on the back while IIRC, the prior one didn't. However, the FCC is quite specific as to the language to be used in the manual and the manual for their current CDP does not conform. Whether that's because the people who write their manuals are clueless or because the company is fudging things, I don't know.

Well Dan seems to be running things by the seat of his pants when you see how many models get introduced, then retired in a year or less. Now they are bringing out a new line of multi channel amps that do 80 wpc, and have a THD spec measured at one watt. In other words, not any different than a decent AVR.

At any rate, if they aren't abiding by FCC regulations, how long will it take them to be found out? There seems to be little enforcement for things like this unless it's a teenager downloading mp3s.
post #14465 of 17194
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You should consider drinking cranberry juice when on your period...

Thanks for the tip! What do you think of Tampon Pearls?

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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

Well Dan seems to be running things by the seat of his pants when you see how many models get introduced, then retired in a year or less. Now they are bringing out a new line of multi channel amps that do 80 wpc, and have a THD spec measured at one watt. In other words, not any different than a decent AVR.

Dunno. Maybe they fill out a niche in the line up. Are the binding posts a bit more durable?

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At any rate, if they aren't abiding by FCC regulations, how long will it take them to be found out? There seems to be little enforcement for things like this unless it's a teenager downloading mp3s.

I lodged an FYI with the FCC some time ago. Whether it's on their to do list or Emotiva is just too small for them to investigate, who knows. I'd imagine with all the money they save with possible non-compliance they could probably buy a big old motorhome and use it to showcase their products all around the country.
post #14466 of 17194
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Originally Posted by JohnyBGood View Post

Is the "Emo-Q™ automatic multi-channel room correction and loudspeaker setup." on the UMC-1 preamp any good? Does it work in 2.0 in addition to multi-channel? Does it come close to Audyssey MultEQ XT/XT32, or is Audyssey the best? Emotiva's next preamp (XMC-1) is switching to a version of "TACT® Dynamic Room Correction™ system." Can anyone comment on that tech?

Emo-Q is does not come close to MultEQ XT or XT32. I don't know much about TacT but I would assume it would be a watered down version of some of the big money preamps and prepros that currently have it onboard. I'm not saying it will not be a great system in the XMC-1 just that I can't see it being the same version currently available. If you wish to learn more about TacT try a google search for some good information.

Bill
post #14467 of 17194
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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

Now they are bringing out a new line of multi channel amps that do 80 wpc, and have a THD spec measured at one watt. In other words, not any different than a decent AVR.

I saw that today and wondered 'wtf'.... what is the purpose of that amp?? Like you say, a decent AVR is the same spec....
post #14468 of 17194
I thought the UPA-500 was supposed to have 125 wpc. I agree that 80 wpc really isn't much of a power house. I'm totally confused at that mindset unless Emotiva will be offering amps to fill the void left when they discontinued the UPA-5/7 amps. Might as well save the $399 and just use an AVR.

Bill
post #14469 of 17194
because amps are shared across the channels in avr's you don't normally see them hit the outpu rating..

power amps on the other hand will usually hit thier target rating and go a bit above..

you'll find each channel will hit their recommended rating where as the avr will not..

the only way the avr will ever see full rating is if you have 7-11 torrroidal amps ala 1 per speaker..
post #14470 of 17194
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Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

the only way the avr will ever see full rating is if you have 7-11 torrroidal amps ala 1 per speaker..

Do any of Emotiva's amps have multiple (3,5 or 7) Toroidal transformers? If not then how do their 2,3,5 and 7 channel amps reach full ratings?

Bill
post #14471 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I thought the UPA-500 was supposed to have 125 wpc. I agree that 80 wpc really isn't much of a power house. I'm totally confused at that mindset unless Emotiva will be offering amps to fill the void left when they discontinued the UPA-5/7 amps. Might as well save the $399 and just use an AVR.

Bill

125 wpc, two channels driven. 80 wpc all channels driven. Almost exactly the same as my last Onkyo AVR. Pointless if you ask me.
post #14472 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Do any of Emotiva's amps have multiple (3,5 or 7) Toroidal transformers? If not then how do their 2,3,5 and 7 channel amps reach full ratings?

Bill

My XPA3 is 300 watts per channel, all channels driven, in to 4 ohms. That is reaching 'its full rating' AFAIC. I didn't understand mysticsniper's post.
post #14473 of 17194
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My XPA3 is 300 watts per channel, all channels driven, in to 4 ohms. That is reaching 'its full rating' AFAIC. I didn't understand mysticsniper's post.

Keith,

I didn't understand mysticsnipers post either and I believe neither did he. I was poking fun at his statement as very few external amps have multiple Toroidal transformers. But he seems to think for an AVR to reach rated power it needs a Toroidal transformer for each channel. Maybe he will pop back in to explain it all to us. I have no doubt Emotiva amps reach their rated power.

Bill
post #14474 of 17194
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

125 wpc, two channels driven. 80 wpc all channels driven. Almost exactly the same as my last Onkyo AVR. Pointless if you ask me.

Not if they can market a prepro for $399 that works. Which is their stated goal.

I know I know - a big if...whether it works.
post #14475 of 17194
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Not if they can market a prepro for $399 that works. Which is their stated goal.

I know I know - a big if...whether it works.

I think it is great that Emotiva will try to market a prepro for $399 but I would think it will be pretty basic. If it is so basic to not offer a decent room correction system or many features of current AVRs why not just go with an AVR. I think to be able to say "where can you buy a prepro for $399" is not going to mean much if it doesn't have the basic features of an AVR in the same price range.

Bill
post #14476 of 17194
That basic amp/prepro isn't aimed at you and I - its more for the average consumer looking for decent sound at a good price. In the $800 price range most AVRs will 'out gadget' this basic prepro but how many features do the average user actually utilize? Most of my friends and family don't know of or use half the features on their AVRs. Mention room correction and I get a blank stare. Thats the target market. Not many of them know what room correction is but they all know what a separate amp is - its what he (meaning me) has - and it sounds awesome.
post #14477 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Keith,

I didn't understand mysticsnipers post either and I believe neither did he. I was poking fun at his statement as very few external amps have multiple Toroidal transformers. But he seems to think for an AVR to reach rated power it needs a Toroidal transformer for each channel. Maybe he will pop back in to explain it all to us. I have no doubt Emotiva amps reach their rated power.

Bill

Sorry, Bill - I wasn't thinking you had any doubt about the Emo amps reaching their full power. I was just giving an example of an amp that reaches its full power with just the one transformer (the usual state of affairs). In fact, all the XPA series amps reach their full stated power all channels driven. This new amp from Emo is a mystery to me - I just can't see the point. As you said earlier, save the $399 and use the amps in your AVR...
post #14478 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

Not if they can market a prepro for $399 that works. Which is their stated goal.

I know I know - a big if...whether it works.

True - this would be a $798 'unit' and that would beat most equivalent AVRs in terms of power. As you point out though, there is a huge 'IF' in that equation

I'd have big doubts about an inexpensive Emo prepro, based on their form in this area.
post #14479 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bill mac View Post

i think it is great that emotiva will try to market a prepro for $399 but i would think it will be pretty basic. If it is so basic to not offer a decent room correction system or many features of current avrs why not just go with an avr. I think to be able to say "where can you buy a prepro for $399" is not going to mean much if it doesn't have the basic features of an avr in the same price range.

Bill

+1
post #14480 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

That basic amp/prepro isn't aimed at you and I - its more for the average consumer looking for decent sound at a good price. In the $800 price range most AVRs will 'out gadget' this basic prepro but how many features do the average user actually utilize? Most of my friends and family don't know of or use half the features on their AVRs. Mention room correction and I get a blank stare. Thats the target market. Not many of them know what room correction is but they all know what a separate amp is - its what he (meaning me) has - and it sounds awesome.

If a budget prepro is not aimed at you and I being those that care about SQ then who is a prepro for $399 aimed at? If someone is on a budget and is not well versed in HT and audio in general I would think they would go the $399 AVR route. I can't see a budget prepro and amp from Emotiva being a big improvement in SQ over a mid-level AVR. I'm not trying to be argumentive but it doesn't make sense to market to a segment such as this.

Bill
post #14481 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

If a budget prepro is not aimed at you and I being those that care about SQ then who is a prepro for $399 aimed at? If someone is on a budget and is not well versed in HT and audio in general I would think they would go the $399 AVR route. I can't see a budget prepro and amp from Emotiva being a big improvement in SQ over a mid-level AVR. I'm not trying to be argumentive but it doesn't make sense to market to a segment such as this.

Bill

I agree with you - just stating the logic as I understand and read on the Lounge.

For the couple of months I've been reading about a 'possible' 125x5 amp - then all the sudden this 80x5 amp for $399 pops up. Since I'm set for amps (Acurus A200 and A200x3) I'm not disappointed that it isn't 125x5 but instead is 80x5. So now the enthused Lounge posters are making light of the fact by pointing out it is 100wpc into 2 channels - and (wow) 160wpc two channels driven into 4ohms. Like anyone who owns 4ohm speakers is going to buy that amp! Maybe the UPA-5 - but not this lightweight.

Emotiva is selling it on their amp page as '100x5' - but read the specs carefully. It isn't 100x5 all channels driven. I think that amp will have a place in some audio racks - just not mine.

As for the UMC-500 that will be the 'match' for the UPA-500 it sounds like it'll be a stripped down UMC-1 - no video processing (what I've been advocating for a long time) - probably stripped of legacy connections - and devoid of room correction. They'll turn a buck on it if they can convince the budget AVR buyer.
post #14482 of 17194
I hope they keep the bugs in the UMC-500!
post #14483 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Emo-Q is does not come close to MultEQ XT or XT32. I don't know much about TacT but I would assume it would be a watered down version of some of the big money preamps and prepros that currently have it onboard. I'm not saying it will not be a great system in the XMC-1 just that I can't see it being the same version currently available. If you wish to learn more about TacT try a google search for some good information.

Bill

Just looking for some opinion about upgrading my UMC-1. For background I have a 4000 cu ft theater that I use 50/50 for music and HT. I use a UMC-1 and Sunfire TGA400 w/JTR 12lp's L&R and T8lp center along with an Orbit Shifter sub, an epik empire sub and two Velodyne sc12's. Rears are still Def tech BP2's I think. Would a processor like Integra 80.2 or 80.3 with XT32 be a significant improvement in a set up like this for overall sound quality of music and movies? The JTR's are very revealing and I wonder if better bass management and EQ would make a noticeable difference.
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I agree with you - just stating the logic as I understand and read on the Lounge.

I hear you as I have read some of that logic over at the Lounge as well.

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For the couple of months I've been reading about a 'possible' 125x5 amp - then all the sudden this 80x5 amp for $399 pops up. Since I'm set for amps (Acurus A200 and A200x3) I'm not disappointed that it isn't 125x5 but instead is 80x5. So now the enthused Lounge posters are making light of the fact by pointing out it is 100wpc into 2 channels - and (wow) 160wpc two channels driven into 4ohms. Like anyone who owns 4ohm speakers is going to buy that amp! Maybe the UPA-5 - but not this lightweight.

How are you liking the Acurus amps? They look like well built amps that seem to get positive reviews from what I have read. I find it ironic as some Lounge members dump on AVRs that have poor power ratings but are now all wound up about the UPA-500 with its 100wpc into 2 channels ratings. If the UPA-500 was an Onkyo amp some on the Lounge would be slamming the crap out of it.

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Emotiva is selling it on their amp page as '100x5' - but read the specs carefully. It isn't 100x5 all channels driven. I think that amp will have a place in some audio racks - just not mine.

Not in my rack either but it might be a good seller.

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As for the UMC-500 that will be the 'match' for the UPA-500 it sounds like it'll be a stripped down UMC-1 - no video processing (what I've been advocating for a long time) - probably stripped of legacy connections - and devoid of room correction. They'll turn a buck on it if they can convince the budget AVR buyer.

If the UMC-500 is without room correction I can't see why anyone would buy it when most budget AVRs have some form of room correction.

Bill
post #14485 of 17194
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I hear you as I have read some of that logic over at the Lounge as well.



How are you liking the Acurus amps? They look like well built amps that seem to get positive reviews from what I have read. I find it ironic as some Lounge members dump on AVRs that have poor power ratings but are now all wound up about the UPA-500 with its 100wpc into 2 channels ratings. If the UPA-500 was an Onkyo amp some on the Lounge would be slamming the crap out of it.



Not in my rack either but it might be a good seller.



If the UMC-500 is without room correction I can't see why anyone would buy it when most budget AVRs have some form of room correction.

Bill

So are you considering the 4311 or still nawing at the Xmc-1 Bill?
post #14486 of 17194
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So are you considering the 4311 or still nawing at the Xmc-1 Bill?

I'm still on the XMC-1 list but I will wait till it is out in the wild with positive feedback before I jump. The 4311 is a definite option as well but I'm waiting to see if the prices edge closer to $1k. How about yourself?

Bill
post #14487 of 17194
I'm going to wait for the accolades to flow in for the XMC-1 as well. But it'll be from unbiased sources - not the Lounge. Many of them think the UMC-1 is the cat's meow. If it doesn't pan out I have my Integra DHC 40.1 which still works so well I haven't updated the firmware even though there is a newer one available. The 4311 seems to be on many minds eh? Even mine if the XMC-1 is a bust.


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How are you liking the Acurus amps? They look like well built amps that seem to get positive reviews from what I have read.

Bill

They work fine - very clean power and never seem to run out of watts. I've got 4ohm speakers (Emotiva ERTs) that like lots of power. I can't tell the difference between the XPA-2 that I just sold - and the A200 which puts out 300wpc into 4ohm. Not the 500wpc of the XPA-2 but still plenty of power. The A200x3 replaces the XPA-5 which I also just sold - same power specs as the XPA-5 at 300wpc into 4ohms and is lighter - I can move it around. Heavy isn't the most important spec for an amp.

I had no problems with the XPA-2/5 amps other than rack space. Since I'm reverting back to 5 channels I was at least going to sell the XPA-2 but I fell into a great package deal on the two matching Acurus amps that I could not pass up so I sold both amps. Since I use 2 channel most of the time the 200x3 is off much of the time. I hate having amp channels sitting there idling and doing nothing. The Acurus amps came out of the same rack and are one owner amps - and look brand new inside and out.

I owned an Acurus A150 for about a year and got talked out of it on the Lounge by a member after I bought the XPA-2. Since I was quite happy with it's 200wpc (4ohm) for all my 2 channel needs I decided to try Acurus again. Even though they are no longer made they are still quite popular. Give one a try some time if you get the chance. Made by the same people who made Aragon amps - Mondial.
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I'm still on the XMC-1 list but I will wait till it is out in the wild with positive feedback before I jump. The 4311 is a definite option as well but I'm waiting to see if the prices edge closer to $1k. How about yourself?

Bill

I'm waiting for the 4311 to drop to $1k myself but im open to the xmc is feedback is positive.I'll stash the yammy 3010 in the master. I've tried selling it locally with no luck. It's just a waiting game for the both of us.
post #14489 of 17194
Hi everyone Im going to purchase a XPA-5 and would like to know if I should use the xlr or RCA connections also a recommendation for cables from reciever to amp

Thank you - John
post #14490 of 17194
The XPA-5 is not a true balanced design so there is little benefit in using the XLR's but if you have a long run from receiver to amp or if the RCA cable connection is noisy, then XLR cables would reject noise interference.

As to cable brand, around here most concur that cables offer no sonic benefits, so price is king to a point. I would suggest Blue Jean Cables, or if you would like to save even more, Acoustic Research cables can be found on Amazon for cheap. The Acoustic Research PR170 was under 6 bucks per cable. 3 feet long and I bought 7 for my new amp. Good quality and cheap.
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