EMOTIVA Thread Q&A [TECHNICAL TALK ONLY] - Page 483

I was wondering the same thing as you Chu.

Is the "Emo-Q automatic multi-channel room correction and loudspeaker setup." on the UMC-1 preamp any good? Does it work in 2.0 in addition to multi-channel? Does it come close to Audyssey MultEQ XT/XT32, or is Audyssey the best? Emotiva's next preamp (XMC-1) is switching to a version of "TACT® Dynamic Room Correction system." Can anyone comment on that tech?

You should consider drinking cranberry juice when on your period...

Thanks for the tip! What do you think of Tampon Pearls?


Dunno. Maybe they fill out a niche in the line up. Are the binding posts a bit more durable?


I lodged an FYI with the FCC some time ago. Whether it's on their to do list or Emotiva is just too small for them to investigate, who knows. I'd imagine with all the money they save with possible non-compliance they could probably buy a big old motorhome and use it to showcase their products all around the country.

Emo-Q is does not come close to MultEQ XT or XT32. I don't know much about TacT but I would assume it would be a watered down version of some of the big money preamps and prepros that currently have it onboard. I'm not saying it will not be a great system in the XMC-1 just that I can't see it being the same version currently available. If you wish to learn more about TacT try a google search for some good information.

Bill

I saw that today and wondered 'wtf'.... what is the purpose of that amp?? Like you say, a decent AVR is the same spec....

I thought the UPA-500 was supposed to have 125 wpc. I agree that 80 wpc really isn't much of a power house. I'm totally confused at that mindset unless Emotiva will be offering amps to fill the void left when they discontinued the UPA-5/7 amps. Might as well save the $399 and just use an AVR.

Bill

because amps are shared across the channels in avr's you don't normally see them hit the outpu rating..

power amps on the other hand will usually hit thier target rating and go a bit above..

you'll find each channel will hit their recommended rating where as the avr will not..

the only way the avr will ever see full rating is if you have 7-11 torrroidal amps ala 1 per speaker..

Do any of Emotiva's amps have multiple (3,5 or 7) Toroidal transformers? If not then how do their 2,3,5 and 7 channel amps reach full ratings?

Bill

125 wpc, two channels driven. 80 wpc all channels driven. Almost exactly the same as my last Onkyo AVR. Pointless if you ask me.

My XPA3 is 300 watts per channel, all channels driven, in to 4 ohms. That is reaching 'its full rating' AFAIC. I didn't understand mysticsniper's post.

Keith,

I didn't understand mysticsnipers post either and I believe neither did he. I was poking fun at his statement as very few external amps have multiple Toroidal transformers. But he seems to think for an AVR to reach rated power it needs a Toroidal transformer for each channel. Maybe he will pop back in to explain it all to us. I have no doubt Emotiva amps reach their rated power.

Bill

Not if they can market a prepro for $399 that works. Which is their stated goal.

I know I know - a big if...whether it works.

I think it is great that Emotiva will try to market a prepro for $399 but I would think it will be pretty basic. If it is so basic to not offer a decent room correction system or many features of current AVRs why not just go with an AVR. I think to be able to say "where can you buy a prepro for $399" is not going to mean much if it doesn't have the basic features of an AVR in the same price range.

Bill

That basic amp/prepro isn't aimed at you and I - its more for the average consumer looking for decent sound at a good price. In the $800 price range most AVRs will 'out gadget' this basic prepro but how many features do the average user actually utilize? Most of my friends and family don't know of or use half the features on their AVRs. Mention room correction and I get a blank stare. Thats the target market. Not many of them know what room correction is but they all know what a separate amp is - its what he (meaning me) has - and it sounds awesome.

Sorry, Bill - I wasn't thinking you had any doubt about the Emo amps reaching their full power. I was just giving an example of an amp that reaches its full power with just the one transformer (the usual state of affairs). In fact, all the XPA series amps reach their full stated power all channels driven. This new amp from Emo is a mystery to me - I just can't see the point. As you said earlier, save the $399 and use the amps in your AVR...

True - this would be a $798 'unit' and that would beat most equivalent AVRs in terms of power. As you point out though, there is a huge 'IF' in that equation

I'd have big doubts about an inexpensive Emo prepro, based on their form in this area.

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If a budget prepro is not aimed at you and I being those that care about SQ then who is a prepro for $399 aimed at? If someone is on a budget and is not well versed in HT and audio in general I would think they would go the $399 AVR route. I can't see a budget prepro and amp from Emotiva being a big improvement in SQ over a mid-level AVR. I'm not trying to be argumentive but it doesn't make sense to market to a segment such as this.

Bill

I agree with you - just stating the logic as I understand and read on the Lounge.

For the couple of months I've been reading about a 'possible' 125x5 amp - then all the sudden this 80x5 amp for $399 pops up. Since I'm set for amps (Acurus A200 and A200x3) I'm not disappointed that it isn't 125x5 but instead is 80x5. So now the enthused Lounge posters are making light of the fact by pointing out it is 100wpc into 2 channels - and (wow) 160wpc two channels driven into 4ohms. Like anyone who owns 4ohm speakers is going to buy that amp! Maybe the UPA-5 - but not this lightweight.

Emotiva is selling it on their amp page as '100x5' - but read the specs carefully. It isn't 100x5 all channels driven. I think that amp will have a place in some audio racks - just not mine.

As for the UMC-500 that will be the 'match' for the UPA-500 it sounds like it'll be a stripped down UMC-1 - no video processing (what I've been advocating for a long time) - probably stripped of legacy connections - and devoid of room correction. They'll turn a buck on it if they can convince the budget AVR buyer.

I hope they keep the bugs in the UMC-500!

Just looking for some opinion about upgrading my UMC-1. For background I have a 4000 cu ft theater that I use 50/50 for music and HT. I use a UMC-1 and Sunfire TGA400 w/JTR 12lp's L&R and T8lp center along with an Orbit Shifter sub, an epik empire sub and two Velodyne sc12's. Rears are still Def tech BP2's I think. Would a processor like Integra 80.2 or 80.3 with XT32 be a significant improvement in a set up like this for overall sound quality of music and movies? The JTR's are very revealing and I wonder if better bass management and EQ would make a noticeable difference.

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I hear you as I have read some of that logic over at the Lounge as well.


How are you liking the Acurus amps? They look like well built amps that seem to get positive reviews from what I have read. I find it ironic as some Lounge members dump on AVRs that have poor power ratings but are now all wound up about the UPA-500 with its 100wpc into 2 channels ratings. If the UPA-500 was an Onkyo amp some on the Lounge would be slamming the crap out of it.


Not in my rack either but it might be a good seller.


If the UMC-500 is without room correction I can't see why anyone would buy it when most budget AVRs have some form of room correction.

Bill

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So are you considering the 4311 or still nawing at the Xmc-1 Bill?

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I'm still on the XMC-1 list but I will wait till it is out in the wild with positive feedback before I jump. The 4311 is a definite option as well but I'm waiting to see if the prices edge closer to $1k. How about yourself?

Bill

I'm going to wait for the accolades to flow in for the XMC-1 as well. But it'll be from unbiased sources - not the Lounge. Many of them think the UMC-1 is the cat's meow. If it doesn't pan out I have my Integra DHC 40.1 which still works so well I haven't updated the firmware even though there is a newer one available. The 4311 seems to be on many minds eh? Even mine if the XMC-1 is a bust.



They work fine - very clean power and never seem to run out of watts. I've got 4ohm speakers (Emotiva ERTs) that like lots of power. I can't tell the difference between the XPA-2 that I just sold - and the A200 which puts out 300wpc into 4ohm. Not the 500wpc of the XPA-2 but still plenty of power. The A200x3 replaces the XPA-5 which I also just sold - same power specs as the XPA-5 at 300wpc into 4ohms and is lighter - I can move it around. Heavy isn't the most important spec for an amp.

I had no problems with the XPA-2/5 amps other than rack space. Since I'm reverting back to 5 channels I was at least going to sell the XPA-2 but I fell into a great package deal on the two matching Acurus amps that I could not pass up so I sold both amps. Since I use 2 channel most of the time the 200x3 is off much of the time. I hate having amp channels sitting there idling and doing nothing. The Acurus amps came out of the same rack and are one owner amps - and look brand new inside and out.

I owned an Acurus A150 for about a year and got talked out of it on the Lounge by a member after I bought the XPA-2. Since I was quite happy with it's 200wpc (4ohm) for all my 2 channel needs I decided to try Acurus again. Even though they are no longer made they are still quite popular. Give one a try some time if you get the chance. Made by the same people who made Aragon amps - Mondial.

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I'm waiting for the 4311 to drop to $1k myself but im open to the xmc is feedback is positive.I'll stash the yammy 3010 in the master. I've tried selling it locally with no luck. It's just a waiting game for the both of us.

Hi everyone Im going to purchase a XPA-5 and would like to know if I should use the xlr or RCA connections also a recommendation for cables from reciever to amp

Thank you - John