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post #14911 of 17194
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I was wondering about the new Sherborn pre/pro also. There was a video from CEDIA that showcased it. Looks pretty nice.

Looks like this maybe the UMC-500. All the specs seem to point to it.
post #14912 of 17194
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Looks like this maybe the UMC-500. All the specs seem to point to it.

The Sherbourn pre-pro that is being replaced has a price tag of about $3400. I would expect the replacement to have a similar price tag and wonder why a person wouldn't just get the emo pre-pro assuming it works as advertised ?

Why buy any sherbourn product which seems to cost much more...same company ..?
Edited by unbridled_id - 9/26/12 at 10:50pm
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I don't believe people are outright lying when they say their UMCs perform 'flawlessly' - I take their reports on face value - why wouldn’t I?  But equally, I hold the same view wrt to people who say their UMCs are still bug-infested to this day, despite applying all the FW updates. 

The only logical conclusion I can come to from the two POV above is that they are both truthful and correct, and hence it must be the UMC itself that is the variable. This, of course, speaks volumes about Emo's quality control, if some units they ship work perfectly and others barely carry out their basic functions correctly. But if that is not the case, and the QC is good, then the users have to be bending the truth - both sets of variables cannot exist at the same time!
 

 

 

 

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Seriously...! Are you calling me a liar regarding the stability of my UMC-1?

 

 

Er, I guess in your excitement and rush to reply, you missed the part of my post where I specifically said I do NOT believe anyone is lying. It's up there, but in case you didn't see it, this is what I said: "I don't believe people are outright lying when they say their UMCs perform 'flawlessly' - I take their reports on face value - why wouldn’t I?"  "they are both truthful and correct..."

 

 

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One thing I’ve noticed in the short time I’ve been involved in this thread is that many here seem to jump thru a lot of hoops in various ways just to bash Emotiva. I’m wondering why… I bet others are as well.

 

 

No idea. I have never "bashed" Emotiva myself. Just commented on the known problems with the UMC-1 and the many bugs - as confirmed by Emotiva themselves (see link provided in other post). It does seem odd to me that a company that delayed a product for two years so they could be sure to "get it right" (Emot's words) then released something that was far, far from right. It seems even odder that the CEO would say the day before release that it was "working beautifully" (Laufman's words). Even the most die-hard fanboy would have to agree with Emotiva that it was definitely, absolutely not "right" when it was released and most certainly not "working beautifully".

 

 

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Way back when the UMC-1 was released, everyone had the opportunity to return their product (UMC-1 30 day return) and get their money back. So I just don’t get it, how anyone could possibly be that scorned with such a return policy. If you didn’t like it… return it.

 

 

I  think you know it was not as simple as that. People were promised FW updates that would 'definitely fix' the release bugs, so they held on the the units. But to be fair to Emo, they did extend the 30 day period when the numerous problems came to light and were proving very difficult to fix in a timely fashion. I agree that Emo's return policy is very fair, as befits an ID company. It's not their return policy that was the problem unfortunately.

 

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KBarnes701, for someone who has, ‘never been burnt by Emotiva,’ as you put it earlier; you sure do seem to care an awful lot about Emotiva’s quality control. wink.gif
On one hand, you say that you would buy their amps because they are great.

 

Yes I do care about Emo's QC. No I have never been burnt by Emotiva. Yes, IMO their amps are great. I currently own four and they are all terrific. So yeah, you got that all right ;)

 

 

 

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Then you turn around and say today that Emotiva has serious quality control issues. You seem to be all over place with your posts.

 

 

For someone who failed to read my post properly, that's a bit rich. It was clear from all of my posts that the QC issues I was referring to were those affecting the UMC-1. There can be not even a percent of doubt that Emo's QC was seriously lacking wrt to the UMC-1. I gave an example - how could they have missed the problems with PLIIx?  They admitted they didn’t implement it properly. Tell me how thy could have missed it during product development and then during two years of delay while they strove to "get it right"?  How can the resulting mess be anything other than QC problems?

 

 

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Of course you already admitted that you never owned a UMC-1.

 

I've never had a brain tumour either, but I sure as hell know I don't want one.

 

 

 

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But you sure don’t have any problems bashing it… LMAO.

 

 

Put your a$$ back on - you'll look weird without it. Nowhere have I ever said anything about Emotiva that was not backed up by solid, undeniable facts. If you call that "bashing" so be it... this is one of the things that amazes me about fanboism - any attempt to discuss problems in the product - even problems admitted to by the manufacturer - and it seems to cause some sort of apoplectic reaction.

 

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This brings me back to what I had said to you earlier in this thread. If Emotiva’s quality control issues are REALLY that bad, why in the hell would you EVER want to buy ANY Emotiva product…?

 

 

<sigh> Because the QC issues I was talking about referred to the UMC-1, not their amps or anything else. The posts are still there - go back and read what I wrote. And yes, the QC issues wrt to their processors are REALLY so bad that I would NEVER in the hell buy ANY processor they made. But their amps.... terrific gear. I am puzzled why you can't grasp the difference TBH.

 

 

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In my opinion, this is simple common sense. If you find an issue with the UMC-1, that was so blatantly obvious as you put it in your first response to me, how could you trust their quality in their amps?

 

That's your idea of common sense?  Don't you understand that there is a world of difference between designing and manufacturing something as complex as a processor and that of designing something as simple as an amp? Do you not realise that in a processor there's a thousand ways to make it go wrong (Emotiva helpfully demonstrated this by managing to find a lot of them in the UMC-1)? But an amp is a nice straightforward piece of gear?  If Ford made a space ship that proved to be rubbish, would you then assume their pickups are also rubbish?

 

 

 

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I mean you just can’t make this crap up… rolleyes.gif

 

Oh I dunno - I think you did a pretty good job....

post #14914 of 17194
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Seriously...! Are you calling me a liar regarding the stability of my UMC-1? That’s pretty strong words coming from someone who has never owned a UMC-1 to begin with.
I suppose if I wanted to, and dug deep enough, I am sure I could find fault with most A/V gear being produced today. I then could sit behind a keyboard and shamelessly bash any product I wanted. The difference is, most people typically have better things to do.
One thing I’ve noticed in the short time I’ve been involved in this thread is that many here seem to jump thru a lot of hoops in various ways just to bash Emotiva. I’m wondering why… I bet others are as well.
Move along. Let it go… whatever it is.
That is normal human behavior. Not what we are seeing on this thread.
Way back when the UMC-1 was released, everyone had the opportunity to return their product (UMC-1 30 day return) and get their money back. So I just don’t get it, how anyone could possibly be that scorned with such a return policy. If you didn’t like it… return it.
I’m thinking this thread is wrongfully named.
It should be titled the ‘Bash Emotiva Thread.’
KBarnes701, for someone who has, ‘never been burnt by Emotiva,’ as you put it earlier; you sure do seem to care an awful lot about Emotiva’s quality control. wink.gif
On one hand, you say that you would buy their amps because they are great.
Then you turn around and say today that Emotiva has serious quality control issues. You seem to be all over place with your posts. Of course you already admitted that you never owned a UMC-1. But you sure don’t have any problems bashing it… LMAO.
This brings me back to what I had said to you earlier in this thread. If Emotiva’s quality control issues are REALLY that bad, why in the hell would you EVER want to buy ANY Emotiva product…?
In my opinion, this is simple common sense. If you find an issue with the UMC-1, that was so blatantly obvious as you put it in your first response to me, how could you trust their quality in their amps?
I mean you just can’t make this crap up… rolleyes.gif

KBarnes has his own agenda and its quite clear. I could not imagine going to a forum and publicly bash a product i never had or plan to get.

I really wish we can get OT and with people with first hand knowledge.

You think discussing the technical faults in an Emotiva product is off topic in a thread called "Emotiva technical talk only"????  You guys crack me up sometimes.... :)

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It's the fault of anyone who IN THEIR MIND believes Emotiva makes bad products, yet happily buys their products.
You're really not going to make that one run, and repeating it over and over won't make it so. Read Max's post - he makes several great points and explains the difference between a processor and an amp. His Mitsubishi analogy is also a good one.
 
It doesn't strengthen your position any to put words into my mouth that I never said. I have not said "Emotiva makes bad products" and you will not be able to produce a single post of mine that says so. I have said the UMC-1 is, in my view, a bad product and I have given my objective reasons as to why I believe that. I have even quoted their CEO who confirms the numerous problems and bugs in the product on release.
 
I am sorry you cannot understand why I would never buy a UMC-1 but I happily buy Emotiva amps. But if you don't understand the difference between a processor and amp, you will never understand. I think we'll have to leave it at that.
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KBarnes has his own agenda and its quite clear. I could not imagine going to a forum and publicly bash a product i never had or plan to get.
I really wish we can get OT and with people with first hand knowledge.


+1 Troyd.

It's clear that KBarnes is not the only one with an axe to grind.
And then he raves endlessly about their amps…! LMAO…!
A 1976 drama quickly comes to mind.
I guess if one truly believes Emotiva is such a bad company with poor quality control, and then one turns around and buys their products. There is no excuse for this...!
What can anyone say about that but, he has no room to bitch.

 

I don't have an agenda, or an axe to grind. There is nothing in my posts that could sensibly bring you to that conclusion.  

 

But remember this - Emotiva is still offering UMC-1s for sale.

 

Do you not think that prospective buyers have a right to know the history of this product and its numerous documented faults?  If someone asked for your recommendation or opinion on the UMC-1 prior to purchase, would it be fair to that person to say "Oh it's a great processor with fantastic sound quality and I love mine" and leave it at that?  Or would it be more fair to add that the unit has had a history of well-documented problems, many of which have been agreed by Emo themselves to be real, and some of which still to this day have not been resolved (the incorrect implementation of the signal flow wrt to the bass management and room EQ comes to mind - something Emo, amazingly, say was designed that way on purpose so it will never be corrected. If you need more evidence that it is an incorrect implementation, search the thread for posts by Markus767 and Roger Dressler - two people who know what they are talking about and can back up their statements with objective facts and measurements). 

 

While the UMC-1 is still on sale, it seems reasonable for anyone to make any comments about it that they wish, especially if the comments are supported by facts. That you dislike those comments doesn't constitute a valid reason for their not being made.

 

On the subject of being off topic, I'd remind you that the majority of your recent posts have been to attack me, not to do with the UMC-1's technical issues, which is the topic for this thread. 

 

If you care to discuss any of the factual issues I have raised, I will be happy to do so, but this will be my one and only post where I feel the need to defend my previous posts to you two guys.

post #14917 of 17194
I consider Keith B a friend so take this as fair warning re. my opinions about the UMC-1. I have a UMC-1 lying unused because of it's many bugs. Because this is an Emotiva forum, not just UMC-1 one, criticism of one Emo product doesn't necessarily apply to others. I have three Emotiva amps with which I have one complaint, weak rca jacks, but otherwise have nothing but praise for them. Great amps are easy to design, unlike pre-pros, and I think this is the reason for the UMC-1 being so awful while their amps are a tremendous value.
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It seems Sherborn is coming out with a new pre-pro the pt-7030.. I wonder how similar this will be the the emo pre-pro as I would figure it to be at least double the price.

 

 

There's a new Sherbourn processor available here in Europe now, the PT-7030, and it also has an implementation of TacT. But it is selling for €2,499, which usually works out at the same dollar pice in the US. Strangely, on Sherbourn's US site it lists the unit as "coming soon", so why it's available here in Europe and not in the US is another mystery (see Edit below). Actually, at €£2,499 it's pretty well priced compared with the likes of the Onkyo 5509 etc so it becomes an interesting proposition for some I’d say. Although by comparison with my Onkyo 5509, it is seriously under-specced (as well as more expensive), lacking PLIIz Height channel capability, 7.2 vs 9.2, most of the network features etc etc.  Info is here: http://www.lsound.eu/sherbourn-pt-7030.html

 

IIRC the proposed price for the XMC-1 is $1,499 - maybe if they make a processor that costs another 1,000 bucks, they could release it with TacT fully working?

 

It just seems to me that Emo's low-cost pricing is really working against them when it comes to processors. $1,499 is pretty cheap for a processor as well-equipped as the XMC-1 is meant to be (once they get TacT in it). Maybe this was the problem with the UMC-1 - it was just way too cheap to ever stand a chance of also being high quality. Maybe there's a good reason processors usually start at around $2,000 or more?

 

It's different with amps of course. Amps are much easier and the competitive market for amps was dominated by overpriced gear. Emo made a huge score when they came along with high quality amps that knocked the socks off their competitors in terms of spec and price. But maybe that model just can't apply to something as complex as a processor.

 

Anyone have any idea why the Sherbourn unit is on sale now in Europe but not in the US?

 

EDIT: just noticed that the EU unit is delayed until December "due to Apple licensing" so maybe that's the reason it's listed as coming soon on the US site. So it seems that come December there will be a processor out there with TacT, but it won't be the XMC-1. So my question now is how can Sherbourn release with TacT fully implemented but not Emo? 


Edited by kbarnes701 - 9/27/12 at 7:18am
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There's a new Sherbourn processor available here in Europe now, the PT-7030, and it also has an implementation of TacT. But it is selling for €2,499, which usually works out at the same dollar pice in the US. Strangely, on Sherbourn's US site it lists the unit as "coming soon", so why it's available here in Europe and not in the US is another mystery (see Edit below). Actually, at €£2,499 it's pretty well priced compared with the likes of the Onkyo 5509 etc so it becomes an interesting proposition for some I’d say. Although by comparison with my Onkyo 5509, it is seriously under-specced (as well as more expensive), lacking PLIIz Height channel capability, 7.1 vs 9.2, most of the network features etc etc.  Info is here: http://www.lsound.eu/sherbourn-pt-7030.html

IIRC the proposed price for the XMC-1 is $1,499 - maybe if they make a processor that costs another 1,000 bucks, they could release it with TacT fully working?

It just seems to me that Emo's low-cost pricing is really working against them when it comes to processors. $1,499 is pretty cheap for a processor as well-equipped as the XMC-1 is meant to be (once they get TacT in it). Maybe this was the problem with the UMC-1 - it was just way too cheap to ever stand a chance of also being high quality. Maybe there's a good reason processors usually start at around $2,000 or more?

It's different with amps of course. Amps are much easier and the competitive market for amps was dominated by overpriced gear. Emo made a huge score when they came along with high quality amps that knocked the socks off their competitors in terms of spec and price. But maybe that model just can't apply to something as complex as a processor.

Anyone have any idea why the Sherbourn unit is on sale now in Europe but not in the US?

EDIT: just noticed that the EU unit is delayed until December "due to Apple licensing" so maybe that's the reason it's listed as coming soon on the US site. So it seems that come December there will be a processor out there with TacT, but it won't be the XMC-1. So my question now is how can Sherbourn release with TacT fully implemented but not Emo? 


I don't understand having the two companies ? I mean Sherborn has a 2 channel pre that goes for $60 less than the xsp yet looks to have less going on for it... The 2 channel amp looks just like one (internally) emo sells for $500 except is has less watts, double the warranty, and almost double the price. The cd player seems to have many similarities to the emo player except again double the warranty length and almost double the price.
So if the emo pre-pro does finally see the light of day and does function as advertised why pay well over double for the Sherbourn ?

It seems like "wide ranging" dan wants Sherborn to be installed by brink and mortar places "An integrator is a custom installer or dealer who installs and supports Sherbourn products. They have a direct connection to Sherbourn for all the technical information and product data they need to do an exceptional job", yet still be able to sell very similar products with the other company over the net at a fraction of the price ? Why pay double....for the warranty, just buy the emo and if it goes up in smoke buy another... ? Everybody knows both companies are run by the same people, changing the case/faceplate won't change that reality...
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I don't understand having the two companies ? I mean Sherborn has a 2 channel pre that goes for $60 less than the xsp yet looks to have less going on for it... The 2 channel amp looks just like one (internally) emo sells for $500 except is has less watts, double the warranty, and almost double the price. The cd player seems to have many similarities to the emo player except again double the warranty length and almost double the price.
So if the emo pre-pro does finally see the light of day and does function as advertised why pay well over double for the Sherbourn ?

It seems like "wide ranging" dan wants Sherborn to be installed by brink and mortar places "An integrator is a custom installer or dealer who installs and supports Sherbourn products. They have a direct connection to Sherbourn for all the technical information and product data they need to do an exceptional job", yet still be able to sell very similar products with the other company over the net at a fraction of the price ? Why pay double....for the warranty, just buy the emo and if it goes up in smoke buy another... ? Everybody knows both companies are run by the same people, changing the case/faceplate won't change that reality...

 

I agree that it is potentially confusing. I guess it's similar to Onkyo and Integra where the latter is the 'installer' brand and so commands a higher price to compensate the installer for his advice, possible installation and the cost of his physical outlet. For those of us who don't require those things, the identical Onkyos are a better choice at lower cost usually. Maybe that is the Sherbourn/Emotiva concept too? 

 

I’d have preferred to see Emo selling via a European distributor like L-Sound rather than Sherbourn (the installer argument doesn't apply in Europe anyway - L-sound is an ID distributor). As you say, the Sherbourn power amps look to be identical in every way other than cosmetic - a glance at the back panels show them to be the same in every way. I haven’t directly compared their specs though so it may be that they use different internal components.

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Anyways...

Is the topology of the xpr5 any different than that of their xpa series? Any circuitry differences? Or just more power and prettier?
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Good, objective review of the UPA-500 from Audioholics here, supported by measurements and graphs etc...

 

Audioholics review of Emotiva UPA-500 power amp

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Anyways...
Is the topology of the xpr5 any different than that of their xpa series? Any circuitry differences? Or just more power and prettier?

It's more energy efficient Class H instead of Class AB all the way.
Power supply is 3,300 VA (XPA-5 has 1,200 VA).
Triple amount of secondary capacitance: 180,000 microfarad

That's not "more" power, that's an avalanche!
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It's more energy efficient Class H instead of Class AB all the way.
Power supply is 3,300 VA (XPA-5 has 1,200 VA).
Triple amount of secondary capacitance: 180,000 microfarad
That's not "more" power, that's an avalanche!

It's also seems really unnecessary... but I guess they have the market on that..
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It's more energy efficient Class H instead of Class AB all the way.
Power supply is 3,300 VA (XPA-5 has 1,200 VA).
Triple amount of secondary capacitance: 180,000 microfarad
That's not "more" power, that's an avalanche!

It's also seems really unnecessary... but I guess they have the market on that..

Oh lots of things are unnecessary - but it doesn’t stop us wanting them! :)

post #14926 of 17194
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There's a new Sherbourn processor available here in Europe now, the PT-7030, and it also has an implementation of TacT. But it is selling for €2,499, which usually works out at the same dollar pice in the US. Strangely, on Sherbourn's US site it lists the unit as "coming soon", so why it's available here in Europe and not in the US is another mystery (see Edit below). Actually, at €£2,499 it's pretty well priced compared with the likes of the Onkyo 5509 etc so it becomes an interesting proposition for some I’d say. Although by comparison with my Onkyo 5509, it is seriously under-specced (as well as more expensive), lacking PLIIz Height channel capability, 7.2 vs 9.2, most of the network features etc etc.  Info is here: http://www.lsound.eu/sherbourn-pt-7030.html

IIRC the proposed price for the XMC-1 is $1,499 - maybe if they make a processor that costs another 1,000 bucks, they could release it with TacT fully working?


EDIT: just noticed that the EU unit is delayed until December "due to Apple licensing" so maybe that's the reason it's listed as coming soon on the US site. So it seems that come December there will be a processor out there with TacT, but it won't be the XMC-1. So my question now is how can Sherbourn release with TacT fully implemented but not Emo? 

I also note that the 7030 is on the cirrus platform, it seems a bit curious that they would be able to develop TACT for that one as well as the TI platform, this could just be an error/confusion on the linked product page - otherwise maybe TACT can be implemented (new board including the 3D support maybe) for the UMC-1. wink.gif
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There's a new Sherbourn processor available here in Europe now, the PT-7030, and it also has an implementation of TacT. But it is selling for €2,499, which usually works out at the same dollar pice in the US. Strangely, on Sherbourn's US site it lists the unit as "coming soon", so why it's available here in Europe and not in the US is another mystery (see Edit below). Actually, at €£2,499 it's pretty well priced compared with the likes of the Onkyo 5509 etc so it becomes an interesting proposition for some I’d say. Although by comparison with my Onkyo 5509, it is seriously under-specced (as well as more expensive), lacking PLIIz Height channel capability, 7.2 vs 9.2, most of the network features etc etc.  Info is here: http://www.lsound.eu/sherbourn-pt-7030.html

IIRC the proposed price for the XMC-1 is $1,499 - maybe if they make a processor that costs another 1,000 bucks, they could release it with TacT fully working?


EDIT: just noticed that the EU unit is delayed until December "due to Apple licensing" so maybe that's the reason it's listed as coming soon on the US site. So it seems that come December there will be a processor out there with TacT, but it won't be the XMC-1. So my question now is how can Sherbourn release with TacT fully implemented but not Emo? 

I also note that the 7030 is on the cirrus platform, it seems a bit curious that they would be able to develop TACT for that one as well as the TI platform, this could just be an error/confusion on the linked product page - otherwise maybe TACT can be implemented (new board including the 3D support maybe) for the UMC-1. wink.gif

 

Yes, I noticed that too. I thought they had moved from the Cirrus platform to TI, among other reasons, because of all the problems they had had with Cirrus? Maybe it's just an error as you say.

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I also note that the 7030 is on the cirrus platform, it seems a bit curious that they would be able to develop TACT for that one as well as the TI platform, this could just be an error/confusion on the linked product page - otherwise maybe TACT can be implemented (new board including the 3D support maybe) for the UMC-1. wink.gif

I would say it was an error as Emotiva has said that TacT can not be used with Cirrus. If I find the post over at the Lounge I'll post it here. I believe the subject came up when someone asked if the new UMC-200/500 (correct model numbers?) prepros would have TacT. The response from Emotiva was that the new UMC prepros would be based on the Cirrus platform so TacT could not be used. I believe the issue is due to a lack of processing power with Cirrus that is not an issue with TI.

Bill
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I would say it was an error as Emotiva has said that TacT can not be used with Cirrus.

 

 

Yes, I too recall reading that somewhere now you mention it. It will be interesting to read the reviews of the Sherbourn unit when (if...) it is released in December.

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You will see that TI chipset in upcoming gear from other companies.
It is a powerhouse of hardware and very flexible.

Just one more UMC comment.
It is known that the UMC has gone through a few hardware revision.
Posts have shown different HDMI boards, etc.This alone can account for the different levels of experiences among users.
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You know what P.T. Barnum said about the frequency at which s****** are born.

Trolling does not become you. frown.gif
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Yes, I too recall reading that somewhere now you mention it. It will be interesting to read the reviews of the Sherbourn unit when (if...) it is released in December.

Unfortunately I think you will see the same delays with the Sherbourn prepro as you will see with the XMC-1. I'll be curious as to how the Sherbourn prepros sell as there was never much posted here on AVS about their earlier offerings. I found it interesting that some of the earlier Sherbourn prepros and AVRs looked to be based on the same platform as the UMC-1 at much higher prices.

Bill
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Yes, I too recall reading that somewhere now you mention it. It will be interesting to read the reviews of the Sherbourn unit when (if...) it is released in December.

Unfortunately I think you will see the same delays with the Sherbourn prepro as you will see with the XMC-1. I'll be curious as to how the Sherbourn prepros sell as there was never much posted here on AVS about their earlier offerings. I found it interesting that some of the earlier Sherbourn prepros and AVRs looked to be based on the same platform as the UMC-1 at much higher prices.

Bill

 

 

 

I'll keep my eye on the European distributor's site, L-Sound. I'm on their mailing list too. They seem to be taking orders for the Sherbourn prepro but say it is delayed until December. I sort of 'know' Jan who heads up L-Sound in Norway and IMO he is a guy of the highest integrity and his dedication to customer service is second to none, so I tend to believe what they say on their site. But we'll see...  a lot of the Sherbourn stuff seems more or less identical to Emo equivalent gear but at higher prices - a glance at the back panels confirms it. Onkyo-Integra/Internet-Bricks & Mortar  scenario I guess.

 

What I found most interesting about the Sherbourn on the L-Sound site is that it is marketed as having TacT on release - not months (years? - ever?) later. Of course, L-Sound might just be taking Sherbourn's word for that...

 

Did Sherbourn ever release an equivalent processor to the UMC-1?

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You know what P.T. Barnum said about the frequency at which s****** are born.

Trolling does not become you. frown.gif

 

That's a bit harsh if you don't mind my saying so. Theresa is the last person who could be accused of trolling, and her prior posts bear witness to that.

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That's a bit harsh if you don't mind my saying so. Theresa is the last person who could be accused of trolling, and her prior posts bear witness to that.

My point exactly. She is and should be above comments like that.
Don't you think?
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That's a bit harsh if you don't mind my saying so. Theresa is the last person who could be accused of trolling, and her prior posts bear witness to that.

My point exactly. She is and should be above comments like that.
Don't you think?

I wouldn’t presume to even think about telling Theresa how to post, let alone actually doing it! ;)

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I wouldn’t presume to even think about telling Theresa how to post, let alone actually doing it! wink.gif

Point well taken.

Theresa if I offended you, I'm truly sorry and publicly apologize.
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Did Sherbourn ever release an equivalent processor to the UMC-1?

Keith,

Funny you should ask wink.gif. Here is a link to an Audioholics reveiw of the Sherbourne 7020A and it references the UMC-1 (with pictures).

Bill
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I wouldn’t presume to even think about telling Theresa how to post, let alone actually doing it! wink.gif

Point well taken.

Theresa if I offended you, I'm truly sorry and publicly apologize.

 

It's refreshing to see someone step up to the plate like that. Happens all too infrequently. Kudos to you...

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Did Sherbourn ever release an equivalent processor to the UMC-1?

Keith,

Funny you should ask wink.gif. Here is a link to an Audioholics reveiw of the Sherbourne 7020A and it references the UMC-1 (with pictures).

Bill

 

Thanks Bill - interesting. It does say that the Sherbourn shares the platform but looking at the back of the UMC-1 and the back of the Sherbourn they are quite different, so by no means clones it would seem. Following the 'clones' link at the bottom of the page reveals three interesting clones though, with huge discrepancies in price. Audioholics say, in their summing up:

 

"There is one thing that puzzles us however. Why is the Outlaw Audio Model 950 Processor ($899) about $800 less than the Atlantic Technology offering and about $600 less than Sherbourns offering? The only differences we could see between the three processors, at least by inspection, was that the Atlantic Technology and Sherbourn processors compared to the Outlaw Audio one, and Atlantic Technology seemed to offer the most detailed documentation and product specifications of the three."

 

The manufacturers claim to justify the higher prices by saying they 'tweak' the performance and use higher grade internal components, but how true, or how much difference that makes, is open to speculation I think.

 

It would have been interesting to have a full Audioholics review of the Sherbourn, with their usual accompanying measurements and graphs, to see what they made of the room EQ system and bass management. If it was all AOK, then it shows that the Cirrus platform is capable of good results and leads to the inescapable conclusion that it was Emo's dire implementation in the UMC-1 that caused all the issues, not the platform itself. It would be ironic if Lonnie's much repeated claim that they had a huge design input into the UMC-1 also turned out to be the cause of all its woes.

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