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post #15271 of 17192
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Exactly. Emotiva's promises aren't worth much.
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Originally Posted by Troyd View Post

Why do you troll so much in these forums? Does it make you happy?

I wouldn't call Markus' post trolling at all. To me his post was an accurate accessment of the fact that Emotiva has not delivered on many of the promised release dates for the XMC-1. Emotiva said that the XMC-1 would be released by the end of the summer 2012 and then by the end of the year 2012. The missed release dates are not a problem for me as apparently there are issues with the XMC-1. What those issues are is anybodys guess but hopefully those issues will get resolved.

My guess is that there is an issue implementing TacT with the XMC-1. After reading some rather negative comments about the service that Boz provided for TacT components I wonder if there is an issue between him and Emotiva? But one does not want to mention the delayed release of the XMC-1 over at another forum as those threads get locked real quick wink.gif. In fact some members actually play the role of Mods and request that all future "Where is the XMC-1" threads be locked immediately. At least on AVS members can post their opinions respectfully (as Markus did) without their posts being deleted as other forums do.

Bill
Edited by Bill Mac - 1/1/13 at 6:25am
post #15272 of 17192
I have no problem with Markus' posts either. Emotiva has a universally bad record with pre-pro's and anyone who chooses to ignore it must either be blind or a corporate lacky.
post #15273 of 17192
Emotive published release dates. Why wouldn't it be appropriate to comment on them missing their own dates? Particularly given their track record with processors and the lowering of the corporate "cone of silence" over the project.
post #15274 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Exactly. Emotiva's promises aren't worth much.
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Originally Posted by Troyd View Post

Why do you troll so much in these forums? Does it make you happy?

I wouldn't call Markus' post trolling at all.

 

 

Same here. Whatever anyone says about Markus, the last thing he could be called is a troll.

 

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My guess is that there is an issue implementing TacT with the XMC-1.

 

 

Didn't they say they are releasing it without TacT and that it will (aka might) be added later via a FW update?  IMO anyone who bought on that basis is taking a real risk.

 

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In fact some members actually play the role of Mods and request that all future "Where is the XMC-1" threads be locked immediately.

 

Amazing. 

 

BTW, HNY Bill.

post #15275 of 17192
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Didn't they say they are releasing it without TacT and that it will (aka might) be added later via a FW update?  IMO anyone who bought on that basis is taking a real risk.

BTW, HNY Bill.

Hey Keith,

Happy New Year to you and to everyone else smile.gif! I still have interest in the XMC-1 if it is released with TacT and there are no bugs. I agree that to buy the XMC-1 without TacT operational is a huge risk. If Emotiva can not get TacT operational when initially released how does one know if it can be implemented at all. So if one buys the XMC-1 TacTless and then it can't be implemented one has a prepro with no room correction. Emotiva has said numerous times that if one buys the XMC-1 without TacT and then the TacT update is released several months later one can not return the XMC-1 if TacT is not to your liking. So I would strongly advise anyone that is interested in the XMC-1 to wait till TacT is fully operational.

I wish Emotiva the best with the XMC-1 as it has the potential to be an excellent prepro at an incredible value. But one is taking a huge leap of faith buying a prepro with the onboard room correction system inoperable. If Denon, Marantz or Onkyo was releasing a prepro without Audyssey active I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole wink.gif.

Bill
post #15276 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Didn't they say they are releasing it without TacT and that it will (aka might) be added later via a FW update?  IMO anyone who bought on that basis is taking a real risk.

BTW, HNY Bill.

Hey Keith,

Happy New Year to you and to everyone else smile.gif! I still have interest in the XMC-1 if it is released with TacT and there are no bugs. I agree that to buy the XMC-1 without TacT operational is a huge risk. If Emotiva can not get TacT operational when initially released how does one know if it can be implemented at all. So if one buys the XMC-1 TacTless and then it can't be implemented one has a prepro with no room correction. Emotiva has said numerous times that if one buys the XMC-1 without TacT and then the TacT update is released several months later one can not return the XMC-1 if TacT is not to your liking. So I would strongly advise anyone that is interested in the XMC-1 to wait till TacT is fully operational.

I wish Emotiva the best with the XMC-1 as it has the potential to be an excellent prepro at an incredible value. But one is taking a huge leap of faith buying a prepro with the onboard room correction system inoperable. If Denon, Marantz or Onkyo was releasing a prepro without Audyssey active I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole wink.gif.

Bill

 

Hi Bill,

 

I agree entirely with your rationale. I am interested in hearing how well the XMC-1 performs if/when it is released, but I would never buy a prepro without an effective form of electronic room EQ (my room is now fairly extensively treated but listening and measuring shows that I still need electronic EQ to get the best possible performance out of it). I hope Emo get their act together with this unit - TacT is certainly interesting if well-implemented but, like you, I wouldn't even consider it for a nanosecond if it was released without TacT working.

post #15277 of 17192
Didn't they say it will still have at least emo-q without tact? I don't think it was going to be totally correction free.
post #15278 of 17192
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Didn't they say it will still have at least emo-q without tact? I don't think it was going to be totally correction free.
There is no EmoQ code in the MDA DAE-77 DSP which is the heart of the XMC-1. That comes from Cirrus, these are TI DSPs. They could implement the same PEQs as used in the Classe SSP-800 which uses the same MDS board, as a fallback. But I heard the MDS DSP code is all done. Just the rest of the product that's not.
post #15279 of 17192
Just spotted this review on the UMC-200...Sounds like a great unit so far! http://hometheaterreview.com/emotiva-umc-200-71-channel-av-preamp-reviewed/
post #15280 of 17192
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Originally Posted by alan_ct View Post

Just spotted this review on the UMC-200...Sounds like a great unit so far! http://hometheaterreview.com/emotiva-umc-200-71-channel-av-preamp-reviewed/

A very good review. My only question is the cost of the UMC-200 actually $699 with the current pricing of $599 a sale price? Or will the cost stay at $599?

Bill
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

There is no EmoQ code in the MDA DAE-77 DSP which is the heart of the XMC-1. That comes from Cirrus, these are TI DSPs. They could implement the same PEQs as used in the Classe SSP-800 which uses the same MDS board, as a fallback. But I heard the MDS DSP code is all done. Just the rest of the product that's not.

Roger,

Without revealing too much is the XMC-1 close to being released or will it be a ways off?

Bill
post #15282 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

A very good review. My only question is the cost of the UMC-200 actually $699 with the current pricing of $599 a sale price? Or will the cost stay at $599?
Bill

Per Emotiva, the sale price of $599 ends 1/15.
post #15283 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Roger,
Without revealing too much is the XMC-1 close to being released or will it be a ways off?
Bill

Nobody (except maybe Emotiva) seems to know for sure.
Some even think, that the XMC-1 might never arrive by now. eek.gif
post #15284 of 17192
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Originally Posted by alan_ct View Post

Just spotted this review on the UMC-200...Sounds like a great unit so far! http://hometheaterreview.com/emotiva-umc-200-71-channel-av-preamp-reviewed/

The typical subjective "restaurant review" driven by marketing forces not by common sense, let alone science. If the reviewer would have done a thorough test then he would have found this: http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=28029&post=477502
post #15285 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Roger,
Without revealing too much is the XMC-1 close to being released or will it be a ways off?
I'd be happy to say if I knew the answer. Sorry, I do not, nor does the source of my other info.
post #15286 of 17192
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

The typical subjective "restaurant review" driven by marketing forces not by common sense, let alone science. If the reviewer would have done a thorough test then he would have found this: http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=28029&post=477502

While I agree that like most equipment reviews, it is really only a written impression of a user experience, I feel it gives a reader a good idea about what to expect of the UMC-200. As any informed "Audio Critic" knows, electronics of the modern age only play a tiny part in the sound quality of an audio system anyway, so why bother measuring. Room and speakers/crossovers are 10-20 times more defining.

Compare this 2011, November 21 review:
http://hometheaterreview.com/cary-audio-design-cinema-12-hd-surround-sound-processor-reviewed/

To this 2011, May 28 post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1336535/cary-cinema-12#post_20498286

BTW, these issues of the Cary are only in part resolved, even today if I read the thread correctly. The Cary Cinema 12 is $5,000 msrp, while the UMC-1 is $700, to put things in perspective.

Add to the UMC-200 (or the UMC-500 with XLR outputs) some decent active speakers such as the affordable Mackie 624 that Ethan Winer recommends and a sub in a well treated average sized room and you could arguably not further improve the SQ in a significant way no matter how much more money you throw at it.
post #15287 of 17192
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Originally Posted by erwinfrombelgium View Post

why bother measuring.

Remember the "it just works" UMC-1? That's why.
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+1
post #15289 of 17192
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Remember the "it just works" UMC-1? That's why.

Yeah, I thought the review was pretty light-weight too. Plenty of fence-sitting at the end also. Just give an opinion, dont try and please everyone. If the Outlaw is better (in his eyes), just say so (or vise-versa). Anyway, forums are a valuable resource for picking up what reviewers missed. I almost sent a friend in the direction of an Onkyo 818 until I read about the 24p bug until I read through the thread. Anyway, Im not sure what the benefit of 11 bands for the sub channel vs 3 is, but if the bloke was told otherwise, it smacks of lazy guessing/misinformation.
post #15290 of 17192
Given Emotiva's track record with pre-pro's it is that much more important to have a thorough review with test results.
post #15291 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I'd be happy to say if I knew the answer. Sorry, I do not, nor does the source of my other info.

Roger,

Not a problem, thanks for your thoughts smile.gif. It seems the future release of the XMC-1 is a closely guarded secret down at Emotiva HQ wink.gif.

Bill
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Given Emotiva's track record with pre-pro's it is that much more important to have a thorough review with test results.
Im thinking the Outlaw 975 maybe a better choice...Very simple straightforward design...More than likley less problematic in the long run!
post #15293 of 17192
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Originally Posted by ausdavep View Post

Anyway, Im not sure what the benefit of 11 bands for the sub channel vs 3 is, but if the bloke was told otherwise, it smacks of lazy guessing/misinformation.
Don't be too hard on Emo. They were just repeating what they were informed. Link. Make sure to let Chrome do its Chineses translation thing. This unit is actually more like the UMC-500, but remove the XLR's and you have the 200.
post #15294 of 17192
So let me get this straight. The review is of the author's opinion of the 200, but he doesn't share his opinion of how it sounds because that would be subjective? Huh? Since he doesn't supply any data either, isn't the whole review subjective? It not only makes me question this review but also the glowing one the 975 got. I guess I wait for more reviews of both before I decide.
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More comprehensive review with measurements up on Audioholics:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/processors/umc-200-a-v-processor

I'm in the market for a replacement for my aging Onkyo Pro PR-SC885P. I don't use analog video anymore, no need for streaming (HTPC and TV have that covered), no need for video enhancement, want something that can pass 3D, still want room correction, and good SQ. This looks to fit the bill nicely.
post #15296 of 17192
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

The typical subjective "restaurant review" driven by marketing forces not by common sense, let alone science. If the reviewer would have done a thorough test then he would have found this: http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=28029&post=477502

Why do all those glowing reviews for the Onkyo and Denons fail to mention that they are disposable units that may perform for a year or so. Those scientific test reports seem to always miss the numerous recurring problems.
post #15297 of 17192
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Why do all those glowing reviews for the Onkyo and Denons fail to mention that they are disposable units that may perform for a year or so. Those scientific test reports seem to always miss the numerous recurring problems.

Here we go rolleyes.gif. I've owned three Onkyos (805, 885 and 886) that as far as I know are still working just fine. I have two Denons (3802 and 4311) that are working just fine as well. So why don't you show actual data that shows that Onkyo and Denon units only last "a year or so". The issues some Onkyo units are having is well known. What are the issues that Denon units have? You have no problem posting this crap but backing it up is totally a different story wink.gif.

Bill
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Don't be too hard on Emo. They were just repeating what they were informed. Link. Make sure to let Chrome do its Chineses translation thing. This unit is actually more like the UMC-500, but remove the XLR's and you have the 200.

Oh another "Winner" smile.gif
post #15299 of 17192
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Oh another "Winner" smile.gif

I think they even have part ownership, no?
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Why do all those glowing reviews for the Onkyo and Denons fail to mention that they are disposable units that may perform for a year or so. Those scientific test reports seem to always miss the numerous recurring problems.

I think some owners treat them like disposables because of the constant churn of their product lines.
But I wouldn't take that as the products being faulty per say.
The upgraditis force is strong here at AVS and the OEMs like it that way. wink.gif
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