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post #15301 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Don't be too hard on Emo. They were just repeating what they were informed. Link. Make sure to let Chrome do its Chineses translation thing. This unit is actually more like the UMC-500, but remove the XLR's and you have the 200.

Still not really good enough IMO, giving out false specs is a big no no in my book.
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Originally Posted by brandonb01 View Post

More comprehensive review with measurements up on Audioholics:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/processors/umc-200-a-v-processor
I'm in the market for a replacement for my aging Onkyo Pro PR-SC885P. I don't use analog video anymore, no need for streaming (HTPC and TV have that covered), no need for video enhancement, want something that can pass 3D, still want room correction, and good SQ. This looks to fit the bill nicely.

That's more like it, a professional review with the positives backed up by measurements, instead of airy fairy "audiophile terms". Looks like a great product.
post #15302 of 17194
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Originally Posted by ausdavep View Post

That's more like it, a professional review with the positives backed up by measurements, instead of airy fairy "audiophile terms". Looks like a great product.

Yes, good review but it's missing a thorough testing of bass management and EQs.
post #15303 of 17194
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

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Originally Posted by ausdavep View Post

That's more like it, a professional review with the positives backed up by measurements, instead of airy fairy "audiophile terms". Looks like a great product.

Yes, good review but it's missing a thorough testing of bass management and EQs.

Who/where goes that in depth? Maybe they can be asked to do a review?
post #15304 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Here we go rolleyes.gif. I've owned three Onkyos (805, 885 and 886) that as far as I know are still working just fine. I have two Denons (3802 and 4311) that are working just fine as well. So why don't you show actual data that shows that Onkyo and Denon units only last "a year or so". The issues some Onkyo units are having is well known. What are the issues that Denon units have? You have no problem posting this crap but backing it up is totally a different story wink.gif.
Bill

I have a UMC-1 with no issues. Does that also mean that they have no issues. Teresa is replacing a 4311 that replaced a Onkyo (because of issues). If you want to go back and read you can find the purple rain issues with Denon. Actual data is plentiful on Onkyo issues. Not as plentiful with Denon. Yamaha is almost non existent. Back up is plentiful if you read with an open mind.
Bill, my point is that all those tests by the mags mean nothing. Markus thinks a thorough test of bass management by the mags is mandatory. Why not kick their ass for not doing this on other brands?
post #15305 of 17194
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

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I have a UMC-1 with no issues. Does that also mean that they have no issues.

Of course not, there is no perfect processor.
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Teresa is replacing a 4311 that replaced a Onkyo (because of issues). If you want to go back and read you can find the purple rain issues with Denon. Actual data is plentiful on Onkyo issues. Not as plentiful with Denon.

So the above means that Onkyo and Denon AVR/prepros are "disposable units that may perform for a year or so"?

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Yamaha is almost non existent. Back up is plentiful if you read with an open mind.

Open mind? Kind of ironic wouldn't you think wink.gif.

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Bill, my point is that all those tests by the mags mean nothing. Markus thinks a thorough test of bass management by the mags is mandatory. Why not kick their ass for not doing this on other brands?

If those "tests" in the mags mean nothing why should the reviews mean anything either?

Bill
post #15306 of 17194
Hoping someone can help, okay my xpa-5 came in today i also have a belkin pf60 and my receiver is a vsx1121k now my question is how do i hook the receiver up to where when i turn on the receiver the xpa-5 turns on automatically thanks in advance. I got the belkin to do this but have no earthly idea on how to make the connection between the three and chords i would need im new to all of this any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #15307 of 17194
^^ Since your receiver does not have a 12v trigger or a switched AC outlet, there is no way to inform the PF60 you want it to turn on.
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post #15309 of 17194
^^ thanks for the link, so i pretty much wasted my money buying the belkin pf60^^
post #15310 of 17194
You plug the receiver into the control outlet of the Belkin and the ET3 into one of the switched control outlets of the Belkin. Then when the receiver is turned on it turns on the ET3 which will turn on the amp through its trigger cable that's attached to the amp. Do not plug the amp into a switched outlet as that will only put it into standby. I think the instructions for the ET3 will cover this, I will check today as I just received one.
post #15311 of 17194
Thanks a lot, look for to hearing back from you on the outcome cant wait, i will be setting everything up next weekend, But If you just plug the et3 into a switched outlet on the belkin why not the amp and since the receiver is plugged into the control outlet it will turn on the amp just like it will turn on the ET3 but instead of the ET3 its the amp...Man im confusing myself trying to imagine it. Hope to hear your results soon
Edited by cdjocp - 1/4/13 at 6:35am
post #15312 of 17194
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Originally Posted by cdjocp View Post

Thanks a lot, look for to hearing back from you on the outcome cant wait, i will be setting everything up next weekend, But If you just plug the et3 into a switched outlet on the belkin why not the amp and since the receiver is plugged into the control outlet it will turn on the amp just like it will turn on the ET3 but instead of the ET3 its the amp...Man im confusing myself trying to imagine it. Hope to hear your results soon

 

You can do that. If you have one of the 'smart strips' you plug one thing into the 'master socket' that you know you will always use (I use the display) and then when that powers on, everything plugged into the 'slave' sockets will also power on - this can include the amps.

 

If your AVR has a switched power outlet on the back, you could use the Emo ET3 and plug that into the back of the AVR and the ET3 trigger outputs into the trigger inputs on the amps. Then when the AVR comes on, so does the ET3 and so do the amps. Do NOT plug an amp into a switched outlet on the back of an AVR - these are for low current devices only.

post #15313 of 17194
Okay I see I believe the Belkin pf60 is a smart strip that this will work on
post #15314 of 17194
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Originally Posted by cdjocp View Post

Thanks a lot, look for to hearing back from you on the outcome cant wait, i will be setting everything up next weekend, But If you just plug the et3 into a switched outlet on the belkin why not the amp and since the receiver is plugged into the control outlet it will turn on the amp just like it will turn on the ET3 but instead of the ET3 its the amp...Man im confusing myself trying to imagine it. Hope to hear your results soon
Because when Emo amps are plugged into a power strip and the power strip is switched on it just puts the amp into standby, not a full "ON" state. Try it you'll see.
post #15315 of 17194
^^DId you hook it up with an et3 and what were the results^^
post #15316 of 17194
ill just go with the ET3 the reason I was thinking you could use the belkin pf60 was because it was stated in the vsx 1121 thread to use this conditioner and it will work that way they were using an emotiva amp as well
post #15317 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

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Originally Posted by cdjocp View Post

Thanks a lot, look for to hearing back from you on the outcome cant wait, i will be setting everything up next weekend, But If you just plug the et3 into a switched outlet on the belkin why not the amp and since the receiver is plugged into the control outlet it will turn on the amp just like it will turn on the ET3 but instead of the ET3 its the amp...Man im confusing myself trying to imagine it. Hope to hear your results soon
Because when Emo amps are plugged into a power strip and the power strip is switched on it just puts the amp into standby, not a full "ON" state. Try it you'll see.
^ This.

I tried configuring it with the PF60 and in the end, just went with the standard 'amps always in standby' triggered by the Zone 2 trigger of the Onkyo. Anything else was a hassle, AND I can't plug more than one of my XPA-1's into the PF60 anyway. 2 of them at full chat plus the receiver, display, cable box and BDP = tripped breaker on one circuit. I have to divide my equipment between 3 circuits.


Max
post #15318 of 17194
Well I pulled the trigger on the ET3 from emotiva gonna follow your instructions Theresa and see how it turns out should be getting device sometime next week thanks again.
post #15319 of 17194
I just got the black trim for my xpa-2, does anyone know how to remote the silver trim from the amp?
post #15320 of 17194
Don't you just need a hex/allen wrench? Looking at my XPA-2 it appears pretty straightforward, unless there is a secondary and unseen attachment.
post #15321 of 17194
That's what I thought but I can't find a size that fits. Any idea what size is used? I think my set may be worn.
post #15322 of 17194
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Originally Posted by cembros View Post

That's what I thought but I can't find a size that fits. Any idea what size is used? I think my set may be worn.

 

It's a standard size Hex key. Any set of Hex keys will have a suitable size. If you need to buy a new set, take one of the new black screws with you to make sure you get one that fits. I have several sets of Hex keys and they all have the size required.

 

PS. Are you outside the USA?  Remember that most of the world uses metric but the USA doesn't. Not sure if the Hex screw on the amp is metric or not, with it being made in China for a primarily US market - that may be why yours don't fit. Don't be tempted to use the wrong sort or you will chew up the screw.

post #15323 of 17194
1/8 is not exact. 3mm fits just right.
post #15324 of 17194
I'm in the US. What's weird is that I found a size that seems to fit in the black screws but not the silver. I suspect that's only because the black are not screwed in tight.
post #15325 of 17194
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

If you have one of the 'smart strips' you plug one thing into the 'master socket' that you know you will always use (I use the display) and then when that powers on, everything plugged into the 'slave' sockets will also power on - this can include the amps.
I have scoured the Belkin PF60 manual, and it does not appear to have this kind of operation. Did I miss it?

If it did, then there would be no need for the ET3, as the Belkin outputs a suitable 12v trigger for power amp control.
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If your AVR has a switched power outlet on the back
Alas, it does not. If only it did. Then the PF60 would do the trick.
post #15326 of 17194
Just bought the UMC 200 today. I'm finally replacing my Denon 1905 avr that I've used as a processor running the xpa-5. I'll do a personal follow up review on my opinion of the 200 as soon I get a listen.
post #15327 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

If you have one of the 'smart strips' you plug one thing into the 'master socket' that you know you will always use (I use the display) and then when that powers on, everything plugged into the 'slave' sockets will also power on - this can include the amps.
I have scoured the Belkin PF60 manual, and it does not appear to have this kind of operation. Did I miss it?

If it did, then there would be no need for the ET3, as the Belkin outputs a suitable 12v trigger for power amp control.
 

 

 

I don't have the PF60 Roger so I don't know. The smart strip I have would work the way I describe, but the snag is that the amps will only power into standby, so no real use. I was forgetting that (and thanks to Theresa for correcting it)! The smart strip is ideal for powering several things on along with the system of course - I use it to turn on cooling fans for example - but to power up the amps, one needs to use the Emo ET3 device or similar - if this is plugged into the slave socket of the smart strip, and also connected to the trigger inputs of the amps, then when the master socket senses that whatever is connected to it has been turned on, the ET3 will turn on and power up the amps from standby to operational condition, via their triggers. Sorry for the confusion.

 

 

post #15328 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Hummada View Post

Just bought the UMC 200 today. I'm finally replacing my Denon 1905 avr that I've used as a processor running the xpa-5. I'll do a personal follow up review on my opinion of the 200 as soon I get a listen.

 

I just read the Audioholics review of it. They gave it a very good review, within its own limitations. Will be interested in your findings.

post #15329 of 17194
Thank you for clarifying that. My big error was assuming that the PF60 functioned as a smart strip. My soon to arrive 4520 only has two trigger outs so the ET3 is necessary for my four amps, three of which are trigger controlled and a pro amp that's turned on by a smart strip.
post #15330 of 17194
Oh man! Looks like the ET3 is just the thing I need to turn "on" my UPA-1s after the power strip powers them into standby. Glad I checked the thread.biggrin.gif
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