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post #1591 of 17192
When it says that it will push 275w during 2 channel operation, does that mean if it gets only 2 channel signals [pre/pro in 2 channel mode] the amp automatically will have a larger amount of power driving 2 speakers?

Or is there a switch/setting/different way to wire the speaker to maket his work?
post #1592 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Fdas View Post

When it says that it will push 275w during 2 channel operation, does that mean if it gets only 2 channel signals [pre/pro in 2 channel mode] the amp automatically will have a larger amount of power driving 2 speakers?

Or is there a switch/setting/different way to wire the speaker to maket his work?

It's the same total power, but the fewer channels that require power, the more the amp has to push over them.
post #1593 of 17192
This is a question for Joerod and others who own(ed) Onkyo (905 &885p) and Emotiva (XPA/MPS series). Will I hear any differences in sound quality between:
(1) Onkyo 906 and
(2) Onkyo 886P with XPA-5 (MPS-2 will be too expensive)
I know none of the '6 models are out yet. Please advise based on your experiences on Onkyo '5 models.

By the way, I have M&K THX 5.1 speaker setup.
post #1594 of 17192
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Originally Posted by kosha View Post

This is a question for Joerod and others who own(ed) Onkyo (905 &885p) and Emotiva (XPA/MPS series). Will I hear any differences in sound quality between:
(1) Onkyo 906 and
(2) Onkyo 886P with XPA-5 (MPS-2 will be too expensive)
I know none of the '6 models are out yet. Please advise based on your experiences on Onkyo '5 models.

By the way, I have M&K THX 5.1 speaker setup.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1056543

Read the stuff other members responded to the exact same question, but then i was asking for the UPA-7 and the XPA-3 which is comparable to the XPA-5 you are asking about....
post #1595 of 17192
Thanks. I read that particular thread. I do not want to add XPA-5 if I buy the 906. UPA-7 is not at all comparable to XPA-5.
If I go with my option (1) I will loose the balanced outputs and the unit will likely be hot. What else I will be missing with option (1)?
post #1596 of 17192
You would not hear much difference between those receiver/pros since they are basically using the same insides. The Onkyo products are a good combination with the Emotiva AMPs.
post #1597 of 17192
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Originally Posted by kosha View Post

Thanks. I read that particular thread. I do not want to add XPA-5 if I buy the 906. UPA-7 is not at all comparable to XPA-5.
If I go with my option (1) I will loose the balanced outputs and the unit will likely be hot. What else I will be missing with option (1)?

honestly... try using the 906 first. that amp is a monster of a beast ...

If i were you i just save the money.... and buy other things... because I don't think you will hear huge difference unless you crank up everything really loud....you 'might' hear a difference.

Usually external amps are paired with less $$ receivers... or you are trying to run a movie theater in you house. I don't know what kind of set up you have, and do you really need something that big?? But the 906 is no slouch, and i m sure it has no problems powering all your speakers even in a theater setting!!! So I will try that out first and see how it goes before blowing $850 on the XPA-5 ...
post #1598 of 17192
That may be true^ but I will say I am hearing a HUGE difference using the MPS-2 with my Onkyo 885 PRO. It is absolutely the best sound I have heard in my theater so far.
The 905/906 are very good but they can't compare to a high quality amp (or separates)...
post #1599 of 17192
I was looking at the XPA-5 to use with a Pioneer Elite 94, and Jamo c809's which are 6 ohm speakers. Would that be compatible? I was thinking it would be an upgrade in sound quality, but was looking for some other opinions. Thanks.
post #1600 of 17192
Quote:
Originally Posted by kosha View Post

This is a question for Joerod and others who own(ed) Onkyo (905 &885p) and Emotiva (XPA/MPS series). Will I hear any differences in sound quality between:
(1) Onkyo 906 and
(2) Onkyo 886P with XPA-5 (MPS-2 will be too expensive)
I know none of the '6 models are out yet. Please advise based on your experiences on Onkyo '5 models.

By the way, I have M&K THX 5.1 speaker setup.



I'm am in a similar frame of mind as kosha. I too would be looking to either get an Onkyo AVR (876) or pair the XPA-5 with something - (MPS-2 is too much for me as well.) But I assume an XPA-5would have an appreciable advantage over an 876.

But what are the feelings here for just matching it with the upcoming UMC-1? I was planning to wait for it's release and then take the Emotiva plunge! What's wrong with just using that for the pre/pro? (Surely it won't be any worse than an Onkyo.)

Comments?
post #1601 of 17192
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Originally Posted by Elliot R View Post


But what are the feelings here for just matching it with the upcoming UMC-1? I was planning to wait for it's release and then take the Emotiva plunge! What's wrong with just using that for the pre/pro? (Surely it won't be any worse than an Onkyo.)

Comments?

I am hoping that the UMC-1 will be much, much better than the Onkyo. If you can wait a little longer, I would. Just my opinion.
post #1602 of 17192
I plan to try one out but let's be realistic. I seriously doubt it will better the 885 PRO but of course I have been wrong before. I will definitely do a good A/B comparison...
post #1603 of 17192
I agree with Joerod. UMC-1 or even XMC-1 will have less features set than 885p/886p.
post #1604 of 17192
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Originally Posted by kosha View Post

I agree with Joerod. UMC-1 or even XMC-1 will have less features set than 885p/886p.

less features???? like what man??? lets face it, how can you even speculate a comparison on a product that has not been released. And even with that being said, they have barely released any spec info! lol that just cracks me up.

Heck the XMC-1 is going to be using the same dual DSP chip set as the Krell Evolution 707, and your saying thats a less/lesser feature than an onkyo?
post #1605 of 17192
I was thinking of network and video feautures of 885p/886p.
Correct me if I am wrong.
post #1606 of 17192
i just pulled the trigger on the xpa-5.hope it was the wright move ,i keep going back an forth from the xpa to the mps-2 ,reading the reviews ,it seamed the mps has better sepration but for the money i figured hey i just need more power. im like 10% 2 channel 40%movies and 50%half passed out watching tv. my system is sunfire tg-3 marantz mm9000 150 wats per channel x 5. paradigm studio 60 cc450 adp450 rears. an a ceiling mounted in wall for the 6th channel. the tg-3 can do 9.4 channel so next move would be nex the in wall and get 2 studio 20 for the rear back channels and down the road maybe the 2 front efx channel once the smoke clears.and right know i am using 2 velodyne subs i have to say, i must be freeking nuts cause this system already rocks the house but i guess thats why we are all here.
post #1607 of 17192
o yah and i am also in to a svs .
post #1608 of 17192
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Originally Posted by kosha View Post

I was thinking of network and video feautures of 885p/886p.
Correct me if I am wrong.

but your still speculating, there is no solid info on specs yet for UMC-1/XMC-1, so their is no way to compare. Im sorry but it just cracks me up when people keep asking if this will be better than something else, or when people say that another product is better or it cant be topped, when this product is not even finalized yet.
post #1609 of 17192
i have both an XPA-2 & XPA-3 and was hoping to pair them with the RSP-2 pre and the UMC-1 pro. Unfortunatley the RSP at this time has no plans to include a HT by-pass and the UMC-1 will not have AUDYSSEY according to several reliable sources. So i will be eagerly awaiting any upcoming news as to what exactly these 2 new products will consist of as to improvements over their previous models. Great products at great prices but without those 2 key missing items i may have to look elsewhere.

ADD-ON -- the XPA-2 is an absolute monster and has dramatically improved the quality of my sound. MY last stereo amp period.
post #1610 of 17192
they did say they planned on having room correction for the umc-1/xmc-1...
post #1611 of 17192
Quote:


they did say they planned on having room correction for the umc-1/xmc-1...

I wonder what it will be, it will not be audyssey from what I read, How about Dynamic EQ?


I was really looking forward to getting the UMC-1 too
post #1612 of 17192
Let's also remember I am not mean ing an Onkyo receiver. The Onkyo Pro line is higher end. The 885 Pro has a msrp of 1800. Last I heard the new Emotiva pre/pro was 699? Anyway, the 885 Pro has 4 HDMI ins, 2 outs, front connections, Ultra 2 Cinema sound mode which I know the Emotiva will not have unless it gets THX Ultra 2 Certified. I am not going to bag the Emotiva since it has not been released yet but the OSD is very good for the 885 and last but not least I seriously doubt the new Emotiva will have REON processing. Those alone are enough to make it not fair to compare so don't for one second say why can't it compete against an Onkyo.
post #1613 of 17192
Agreed that UMC-1 probably won't have as many bells and whistles as Onkyo gear. On the other hand not sure how much of that I really need or want. My budget necessarily dictates around $1500 for an AVR or seperates solution. Given this it would come down to either an Onkyo AVR (not the 885 Pro) or the Emotiva seperates.

While it is certainly speculative at this point, I get the impression that an Onkyo may win in the "features" department, but Emotiva just might be the best value proposition for sheer QUALITY sound. If that does turn out to be true, I'd probably go with a UMC-1\\XPS-5 combo. (and yes, I can wait).
post #1614 of 17192
Value for sure the Emotivas excel at. I still can't comment on their new pre/pros because I have not tested one yet. I am very impressed with my MPS-2 but pre/pros are a different animal.
post #1615 of 17192
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Originally Posted by kosha View Post

I was thinking of network and video feautures of 885p/886p.
Correct me if I am wrong.

Cant answer about the network or videp features but I am positive that the customer service will be a hell of alot better than Onkyo's
post #1616 of 17192
I wonder how the XPA-2 compares to the Bryston 4B ST...?
post #1617 of 17192
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Let's also remember I am not mean ing an Onkyo receiver. The Onkyo Pro line is higher end. The 885 Pro has a msrp of 1800. Last I heard the new Emotiva pre/pro was 699? Anyway, the 885 Pro has 4 HDMI ins, 2 outs, front connections, Ultra 2 Cinema sound mode which I know the Emotiva will not have unless it gets THX Ultra 2 Certified. I am not going to bag the Emotiva since it has not been released yet but the OSD is very good for the 885 and last but not least I seriously doubt the new Emotiva will have REON processing. Those alone are enough to make it not fair to compare so don't for one second say why can't it compete against an Onkyo.

im fully aware your talking about a processor....

And how can you compare price?!?! Its a freakin ID company vs. Onkyo...Since when does price point decide quality...You know as well as i, the point of ID is higher end quality at lower prices. If Emo was sold through B&M imagine what prices would be...THX processing is overated IMHO, so you can argue for it, but THX sound modes are over priced...The new OSD for the emo gear is supposed to be very good, from what they say. So are the reon processing chips the only scalers on the market? please, its just the most known, very good, but still its just the most known.
I never said the Onkyo could not compete, i was correcting what you said about how the UMC-1/XMC-1 wont be better than the Onkyo....

Its just silly ignorance IMO for people to even say anything about a processor that is not on the market and going on info that is not solid and has only been talked about on a forum... The Onkyo/Integra gear has been out for some time now and getting on to the second gen stuff, Emo knows this, they know they need to live up to the hype. The have said many times they plan on making the gear as good or better than the Integra 9.8 which has pretty much been the model for every company to live up to...

EDIT: im not trying to be mean here, but its always frustrates me when people try to compare products that are not even out yet, let alone not even in PRODUCTION yet lol. Joerod, have you used an Emo processor before? I'm currently using the DMC-1 and its a hell of a processor, perhaps its not full of the features some current pro's do, but the SQ is quite amazing. For its time, it was superb.
post #1618 of 17192
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Originally Posted by dhan View Post

I wonder how the XPA-2 compares to the Bryston 4B ST...?


I've heard many comments that the Bryston's are still better, but not by a landslide...Which is alot to say for the XPA-2 considering its price...

I think the XPA-1 will be one serious beast, so look into that for its eventual release...
post #1619 of 17192
You're not trying to be mean. Fine then, we will compare the new Onkyo 886 versus the new Emotiva pre/pro and hear which one sounds better. I have a feeling the 886 will win hands down just because of the extra features it will have that the Emotiva won't. Like THX Ultra 2 Cinema mode (my favorite). Believe me, I like my Emotiva AMP but I am not going to start drinking their Kool-Aid just yet.

Oh and have you ever heard an Onkyo 885 PRO in a high end set up? And have you ever heard Ultra 2 Cinema being used with Dolby TrueHD? I am going to guess that would be a no...
post #1620 of 17192
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

You're not trying to be mean. Fine then, we will compare the new Onkyo 886 versus the new Emotiva pre/pro and hear which one sounds better. I have a feeling the 886 will win hands down just because of the extra features it will have that the Emotiva won't. Like THX Ultra 2 Cinema mode (my favorite). Believe me, I like my Emotiva AMP but I am not going to start drinking their Kool-Aid just yet.

Oh and have you ever heard an Onkyo 885 PRO in a high end set up? And have you ever heard Ultra 2 Cinema being used with Dolby TrueHD? I am going to guess that would be a no...

Hey man i'm all about comparing them when the units are actually released....
I would guess the Onkyo to be better spec wise than the UMC-1, but im holding out for the XMC-1 to be a show stopper...Im sorry the THX Ultra 2 is not my favorite, its not a big feature for me, just because it makes you all happy does not mean its the baddest pro on the planet...Its not a deal breaker for me or alot of other people.

And no i have not heard the 885, but i have heard its bigger brother (well same thing but you know what i mean) the Integra 9.8 in several setups. I heard it in a setup with B&W 802's and its matching center and using McIntosh amps, i have heard it in a Klipsch RF-83 setup, i heard it with AV123 Onix RS850's and most recently my buddy brought over his and i listened to it on my VA Mozart Grands. It sounded phenominal. But what your forgetting is im not arguing that it does not sound great .....

Im arguing that you just freaking cant say a product will tromp another product WHEN IT HAS NOT EVEN RELEASED FULL SPECS YET, OR EVEN GONE INTO PRODUCTION...That's all, that's it.
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