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post #16021 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bo130 View Post

Solid-state amps have a sound?

I have auditioned many and I believe they do but this is one of those questions that is like pouring gasoline on a fire.

- Rich
post #16022 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bo130 View PostSolid-state amps have a sound?

I didn't believe some of them do, but for example I compared the CA-M600 with The McIntosh MC601, same B&W 800Diamonds, same room, same chair, same music (SACD), same volume.

 

Results the Classé CA-M600 was so much more detailed, you could not even hear some of the instruments with the Mc even other untrained ears such as my kids said where is the flute?

post #16023 of 17194
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

What are you comparing them to? What kind of speakers! I am tempted to buy a pair and see what they sound like!
Just to set the baseline here, the system with the 1Ls consists of:
Oppo-105, XLR out to:
Anthem D2 XLR out to:
2 XPA-1Ls Blue Jeans 10 awg speaker cable to:
Revel Studio2s out to:
as of yet untreated living room and haven't yet employed Anthem ARC software.
Room is 16' x 21' with speakers on the long wall.
Much better than the on-loan pre-amp\amp(100 wpc class a\b to make it simple) I was using.
post #16024 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Just to set the baseline here, the system with the 1Ls consists of: Oppo-105, XLR out to: Anthem D2 XLR out to:2 XPA-1Ls Blue Jeans 10 awg speaker cable to: Revel Studio2s out to: as of yet untreated living room and haven't yet employed Anthem ARC software. Room is 16' x 21' with speakers on the long wall. Much better than the on-loan pre-amp\amp(100 wpc class a\b to make it simple) I was using.

Pictures!
post #16025 of 17194
What?
Sorry my camera got stolen along with my former 2 channel system and other items.
post #16026 of 17194
lights on so u can see. But can u see little blue light on lower left ?
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post #16028 of 17194
Now, if they could only get a real marketing company and deliver the XMC-1 (or at least give the new specs), the UMC-500 (???) and so many more.

How about the f/w update for the UMC-1 promised in Nov 2011? No? The HDMI upgrade board for the UMC-1? Never really said anything for a year then...no more to be delivered.

They still keep promising and not delivering, they should learn the adage that you should under promise and over deliver.

I love the still posted "review" on the XMC-1 over at Audioholics...especially the "Buy It Now" button.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/processors/emotiva-xmc-1-pre
post #16029 of 17194
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Originally Posted by visiter555 View Post

Now, if they could only get a real marketing company and deliver the XMC-1 (or at least give the new specs), the UMC-500 (???) and so many more.

How about the f/w update for the UMC-1 promised in Nov 2011? No? The HDMI upgrade board for the UMC-1? Never really said anything for a year then...no more to be delivered.

They still keep promising and not delivering, they should learn the adage that you should under promise and over deliver.

I love the still posted "review" on the XMC-1 over at Audioholics...especially the "Buy It Now" button.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/processors/emotiva-xmc-1-pre

Vis,

That Audioholics "review" is priceless biggrin.gif! I'm sorry but if there ever was a publication that is leaning towards the "fan boy" status for a specific manufacturer they are certainly are wink.gif. I hope that with the addition of this new Emotiva employee that the quality of the owners manuals of Emotiva products is vastly improved. I had the UMC-1 and that manual was terrible. Looking at the online UMC-200's manual it doesn't look much better than the UMC-1's. Emotiva stated quite awhile ago that they would improve the owners manuals of their products. Unfortunately that hasn't happened. I only hope when the XMC-1 is finally released that it has a much better owners manual than the UMC-200's.

Bill
post #16030 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

Have you heard the latest news?

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&action=display&thread=30574&page=1

Is this the same guy?
http://www.andrew-robinson-online.com/an-open-letter-to-emotiva-and-their-fans/

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post #16031 of 17194
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Originally Posted by visiter555 View Post

Now, if they could only get a real marketing company and deliver the XMC-1 (or at least give the new specs), the UMC-500 (???) and so many more.

How about the f/w update for the UMC-1 promised in Nov 2011? No? The HDMI upgrade board for the UMC-1? Never really said anything for a year then...no more to be delivered.

They still keep promising and not delivering, they should learn the adage that you should under promise and over deliver.

Maybe "over promise and under deliver" works better these days? biggrin.gif
post #16032 of 17194
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Is this the same guy?
http://www.andrew-robinson-online.com/an-open-letter-to-emotiva-and-their-fans/

biggrin.gif

Yes.

I wonder how pissed Jerry is right now?rolleyes.gif
Edited by bootman_head_fi - 5/8/13 at 12:53pm
post #16033 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I hope that with the addition of this new Emotiva employee that the quality of the owners manuals of Emotiva products is vastly improved. I had the UMC-1 and that manual was terrible. Looking at the online UMC-200's manual it doesn't look much better than the UMC-1's. Emotiva stated quite awhile ago that they would improve the owners manuals of their products. Unfortunately that hasn't happened. I only hope when the XMC-1 is finally released that it has a much better owners manual than the UMC-200's.

Bill

The Sherbourn manuals are just as bad.rolleyes.gif
post #16034 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

The Sherbourn manuals are just as bad.rolleyes.gif

All AVR manufacturers could improve their manuals.
post #16035 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

The Sherbourn manuals are just as bad.rolleyes.gif

In all honesty if Emotiva and Sherbourn want to be considered as a serious online A/V companies they have to have better owners manuals for their products IMO. Just one look at the owners manuals that Oppo puts out is a prime example of how to do it. I would think in the long run it would save Emotiva and Sherbourn quite a bit of money. By that I mean the simple fact of how much less time their employees would spend on the phone helping people with simple issues that a well written manual would explain.

Bill
post #16036 of 17194
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

All AVR manufacturers could improve their manuals.

I agree 100%.
But come on, having three products with 11 band PEQs and virtually no info on them is a bit sloppy, no?
It is arguably their best feature yet virtually nothing about it in the manuals. I don't get it.confused.gif
post #16037 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

In all honesty if Emotiva and Sherbourn want to be considered as a serious online A/V companies they have to have better owners manuals for their products IMO. Just one look at the owners manuals that Oppo puts out is a prime example of how to do it. I would think in the long run it would save Emotiva and Sherbourn quite a bit of money. By that I mean the simple fact of how much less time their emloyees would spend on the phone helping people with simple issues that a well written manual would explain.

Bill

You hit the nail on the head. Can't agree more.
post #16038 of 17194
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

All AVR manufacturers could improve their manuals.

This is true but the manuals for Emotiva's prepros are horrible. Especially when compared to those from Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, Pioneer and Yamaha. To me the best manual for a processor I ever had was the one that came with the Anthem AVM30.

Bill
post #16039 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

I agree 100%.
But come on, having three products with 11 band PEQs and virtually no info on them is a bit sloppy, no?
It is arguably their best feature yet virtually nothing about it in the manuals. I don't get it.confused.gif

Boot,

You are 100% right. The fact that the excellent feature of the PEQ is hardly even discussed in the UMC-1 or the UMC-200 manuals is ridiculous.

Bill
post #16040 of 17194
I was thinking of the UMC-200, SR-8100 and the PT-7030.
post #16041 of 17194
Wow.....just wow.........I don't get it either.......
post #16042 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Elmo C View Post

Wow.....just wow.........I don't get it either.......

Moe,

What is it that you don't get (just curious)?

Bill
post #16043 of 17194
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

I agree 100%.
But come on, having three products with 11 band PEQs and virtually no info on them is a bit sloppy, no?
It is arguably their best feature yet virtually nothing about it in the manuals. I don't get it.confused.gif

How much useful info is included in any AVR manual. I have owned a AVR with all available EQ and the info to fine tune is useless in the manuals. I would also much prefer a paper manual rather than scroll a PDF one. If the font is large enough for my old eyes to read I have to move up, down and side to side on the PC. None explains what the room EQ is doing.
post #16044 of 17194
If anyone put out a good manual, we wouldn't have so many "The official Model X DS-TXR 2477*6Ax4 firmware 4.24.574.86" threads. biggrin.gif
post #16045 of 17194
Face it, good manuals are few and far between.
I've waded through my share of Denon "bibles" that contained all of the info but it was hardly well laid out or logical.
gostillerz makes an excellent point, even when manuals are thorough and logical, i.e., Oppo, Anthem, the threads are gigantic.

How many questions, even the most basic are asked endlessly because guys can't ROTFM, let alone UNDERSTAND them.

Pre-pros are by far the complex pieces of gear, universal players like Oppo don't even hold a candle.

If you're going to single out Emotiva, you might as well add a ton of other manufacturers to that list and while you're at it add an even larger group of lazy minded AVS members.
post #16046 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

If you're going to single out Emotiva, you might as well add a ton of other manufacturers to that list and while you're at it add an even larger group of lazy minded AVS members.

I've had AVRs and prepros from Anthem, Denon, Emotiva, Onkyo, Pioneer, Sherwood and Yamaha. None had manuals that were as poorly written or lacking in basic information as the manuals from Emotiva. If anyone feels that I'm picking on Emotiva they are mistaken. Just one look at either the UMC-1's or the UMC-200's manuals will confirm that IMO.

Bill
post #16047 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I've had AVRs and prepros from Anthem, Denon, Emotiva, Onkyo, Pioneer, Sherwood and Yamaha. None had manuals that were as poorly written or lacking in basic information as the manuals from Emotiva. If anyone feels that I'm picking on Emotiva they are mistaken. Just one look at either the UMC-1's or the UMC-200's manuals will confirm that IMO.

Bill

I have had all those brands also. There was more useful info in manuals in the early Pro Logic era than there is now with all the bells and whistles.

Emotiva apparently offers better sound quality while the others offer better reading. smile.gif
post #16048 of 17194
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post


Emotiva apparently offers better sound quality while the others offer better reading. smile.gif

Apparently that is all a matter of opinion not fact smile.gif. So Emotiva's sound quality is better than Anthem's? It is quite obvious that the manuals from Emotiva are lacking more so than any other manuals I have used. I find it interesting that once again you try to deflect the obvious wink.gif.

Bill
post #16049 of 17194
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

How much useful info is included in any AVR manual. I have owned a AVR with all available EQ and the info to fine tune is useless in the manuals. I would also much prefer a paper manual rather than scroll a PDF one. If the font is large enough for my old eyes to read I have to move up, down and side to side on the PC. None explains what the room EQ is doing.

I like a paper manual myself, but the last Emotiva product I purchased didn't even include one.
If I wanted a copy i had to print it out myself.
I didn't even bother.

...and this has nothing to do with SQ. I think the Emotiva products sound great.
Just wish their manuals also had similar high standards.
It can be done if they think it is important enough to do so and I think that is the real question here.
(well it is to me and this is what I don't get)

Just look at some Outlaw manuals to compare.
post #16050 of 17194
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

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Originally Posted by visiter555 View Post

Now, if they could only get a real marketing company and deliver the XMC-1 (or at least give the new specs), the UMC-500 (???) and so many more.

How about the f/w update for the UMC-1 promised in Nov 2011? No? The HDMI upgrade board for the UMC-1? Never really said anything for a year then...no more to be delivered.

They still keep promising and not delivering, they should learn the adage that you should under promise and over deliver.

I love the still posted "review" on the XMC-1 over at Audioholics...especially the "Buy It Now" button.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/processors/emotiva-xmc-1-pre

Vis,

That Audioholics "review" is priceless biggrin.gif! I'm sorry but if there ever was a publication that is leaning towards the "fan boy" status for a specific manufacturer they are certainly are wink.gif. I hope that with the addition of this new Emotiva employee that the quality of the owners manuals of Emotiva products is vastly improved. I had the UMC-1 and that manual was terrible. Looking at the online UMC-200's manual it doesn't look much better than the UMC-1's. Emotiva stated quite awhile ago that they would improve the owners manuals of their products. Unfortunately that hasn't happened. I only hope when the XMC-1 is finally released that it has a much better owners manual than the UMC-200's.

Bill

 

It is interesting why their manuals are so poor. We know the gear is all Chinese, and maybe the Chinese manufacturers don't produce manuals at all, leaving it to the end seller to do so. It makes me wonder if Emo actually do understand the technologies they are selling?  Certainly they didn't wrt to many of the problems suffered by the UMC-1 and their numerous replies to questions on their own forum so that that is the case. They never, for example, seemed to grasp that the bass management was impossible flawed in hardware. A lack of fundamental understanding like this would result in very brief manuals, covering the really obvious stuff. I hope this aspect of emo performance improves over time.

 

Of course, writing an amplifier manual is pretty simple - and we can't really fault Emo's amps IMO.

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