EMOTIVA Thread Q&A [TECHNICAL TALK ONLY] - Page 105

lol no prob bro

Lots of owners of the rockets own emotiva gear and love it.

Mac over from AV123 just recently got an XPA-5 and has been raving about it, he had an NAD amp before the XPA-5 and although he loved it, he prefers the XPA-5.

Lots of Rocket owners own the LPA-1 from when Emotiva was with AV123. And they just loved the results. FYI the LPA-1 is virtually the same as the UPA-7 just a little less powerful for the rear channels when driving 7 speakers.

So yes it should be an upgrade, if you like it loud and want a little more oomph from your speakers.

I'm also trying to decide between the UPA-7 and XPA-5. My speakers are Atlantic Technology IWTS-14 LCR in-walls for the front and IWTS-15 SR in the back. All speakers are rated at 6 Ohms and 87dB sensitivity.

When I was younger I used to watch at referance levels, but now that I'm a little older, the volume has come down a little but I still prefer my movies loud.

Are my speakers candidates to benefit from the increased power of the XPA-5?

Yes, the 7002 is very tempting. Let me know what you think of the 6003. PLEASE! Especially in comparison to the Yammy. That will really help me. I don't need all of the bells and whistles of the 3900 are why I'm looking at the 1900.

Back? Is that a 7.1 system? What do you have for side speakers?

I should correct myself - Atlantic Tech IWTS-14 SR in the back. They are set to dipole mode. I'm aware that bipole mode is recommended for back channels, but just personal preferance, prefer diffuse dipolar sound for the surrounds.

This is a 5.1 system. When I moved into the house, the previous owners had already pre-wired for 5 channels. The room is 17 x 12 x 8 with a single row of seating at a 15' viewing/listening distance. I didn't see the need to upgrade to 7.1 (which would have meant opening the walls to run cable).

If anyone is interested in a still new Klipsch setup, I am up for trades for emotiva amps.
If someone is upgrading to a bigger emotiva or getting rid of one of theirs, let me know.

WonHung, TPnBobcats, D_strasse, PennGray,

I wanted to thank you all for your responses and I will look up your ideas as well. Many of the models most of them are new for me and I think there were some good suggestions.

I am appreciative!

Maybe, they don't have the woofers to go that low, so they won't need the power low bass requires. But they are exceptionally inefficient and moderately low resistance.

What are you using now? The XPA-3 might be worth considering as long as it's on sale, if you have something that can drive the side/rear channels.

Glad to help, though I'd say BigRed deserves a shout out as well.

Well I thought I had everyone! Thanks for keeping an eye out! BigRed is always appreciated!!

Bigred:

Thank you for your assessment. It seems right on with what I was thinking, but last night I really did some research on Outlaw amps, namely the ones that compare equally to the Emotiva's and Outlaw has had some very nice reviews in the past and I don't think their prices are too out of line, except when compared to Emotiva.

I checked out their top 4 amps that seem close to what Emotiva has. I didn't consider their monoblock amp. These are the ones I did check out:
7900 - 7 x 300 wpc - fully balanced/differential - $3500 list.
7700 - 7 x 200 wpc - balanced but not fully differential -$2150
7500 - 5 x 200 wpc - balanced - $1600
7200 - 7 x 200 wpc - single ended - $1850

I read great reviews on all of them actually. Even the 7200 which is single-ended and I'm definitely leaning towards balanced amps.

The Outlaw 7900 looks like a beast. I love the idea of having 300 wpc for my front 3 speakers from a truly balanced amp, but I cannot picture my surround speakers needing 300 wpc. That way overkill.

The 7700 I would assume is probably very close to the UPA-7 at $800
The 7500 is probably very close to the XPA-5 at $800

And I don't want to consider the 7200 because I want balanced connectors.

So, Bigred you seem to be correct in your view of Outlaw. The only Outlaw that really appeals to me is their 7900 and maybe if it was on sale or B stock, I would look more closely. Because that 7900 is fully balanced/differential, then wouldn't I need 3 of the Emotiva's XPA-1 at $1000 each for my front 3 speakers to match that, even if the wattage is less, then I'd need an XPA-5 at $800 for my surrounds, so with Emotiva being cheaper, I'd still need to shell out $3800 in Emotiva gear to match the Outlaw's 7900 at $3500.

I don't mind spending more money for great amps for my front 3 speakers, but I'm not as concerned with the surround speakers.

Is there a difference in having 3 Emotiva XPA-1's for my front 3 speakers instead of having the Outlaw 7900? Besides the wattage of the XPA-1's being higher, the Outlaw is totally differential in all 7 channels where that's not the case with the XPA-5.

Any thoughts on this or am I just looking for a reason to find something that will dethrone the Emotiva's? Thanks

The new high end supposedly does. I have an older 84TXsi which was their high end a couple years ago. It says 535w on the power supply... so that would be quite a feat for it to even do 5x140w.

My guess is no, but you could find out for the price of shipping back to one company.

I am currently using a Pioneer Elite VSX-37TX. I haven't felt the need to upgrade it since I bought it in 2001.

The XPA-3 is interesting as I can continue to use my AVR to power the rear channels. However, my AVR will likely be replaced with the Emotiva UMC-1 when it is released, which will also mean buying an additional amp to power the rear channels at that time.

Space in my rack would also likely be an issue.

As much as I'd prefer multiple amps (I also have to think about powering my zone 2 speakers as well).

Basically, I'm looking at the XPA-5, if it will provide an audible improvment over the UPA-7 and a UPA-2 for my zone 2 speakers. Or, the UPA-7.

The idea of monoblocks is just different than a fully integrated amp. Just because its balanced does not mean its a comparable product. The XPA-1 is capable of shelling out 1000 watts into 4ohms lol. Thats a huge difference lol, but your speakers would just never need that.

The Outlaw 7900 is a great product, in fact fantastic, but its different than the XPA-1.

Honestly i would rather have one of the sunfire theater grands at 400x7 into 8ohms over the Outlaw. But thats just me. You could find one used for a heck of a price.

But again comparing the outlaw 7900 to the XPA-1 is kinda like comparing apples to oranges.

6ohms and 87db sensitivity? I see an XPA-5 in your future. You will benefit from the larger power supply. But its not like the UPA-7 would not do the job lol.

lol i dont think provided any feedback on the subs. But your welcome

Yup, i'll be sure to fill ya in

Im excited to receive it.

Aliens,

I have a 7001 and am very happy with it. The 7002 just cleans up a few bugs and adds hi-def codec processing. Audioholics has a good review on it.

Glad it was helpful.

One last thing - subs and bass, it seems to me, is where tweaking for room accuracy can be very helpful. Check out the threads on hometheatershack for Room Eq program and adding a Behringer or Velodyne SMS to the mix. (I am not there yet, but lots of guys around here swear by the stuff).

I doubt you're going to hear a sound quality difference between the UPA-7 and the XPA-5, but I am of the "Watts are Watts" school of thought and they are both good amps. So it's most likely to be a question of how much you would benefit from the extra power. The XPA-5 will probably get close to doubling the power of the UPA-7 into a 6 ohm load. So there is at least likely to be an audible improvement on that score, but that brings the question of how much you "crank" things. At moderate listening volumes it isn't really going to factor in.

As far as space go, if it's a horizontal restriction rather than a vertical space restriction, I'm guessing the UPA-2 should go nicely under the UMC-1 (not sure if they've published sizes for the UMC-1 yet).

Thanks. Like the Yamaha RX-V3900, the SR7002 has a few bells and whistles I don't really need or will use (they're always great to have for resale, though). However, it is in my budget thanks to the great deal I found at 6th Ave. (before today I couldn't find it there). I do have a concern about the 7002 firmware problems. I just need to cool my jets and wait to hear Bigred's report. Man, it's going to be a long weekend.

Yeah, my 7001 is a few firmware versions short of the latest but it really hasn't ever been an issue.

I'm not sure what the firmware updates fix, maybe they're important, but for me they were mostly minor. Specifically in my case, fixing a single hDMI handshake issue with an esoteric projector didn't affect me and the other, going from 7.1 via matrixing versus 7.1 via 7.1 LPCM didn't affect me because I am only running 5.1 right now and even then 7.1 hi-def material is pretty limited.

^^^

And probably not something I will have an issue with, or the majority of people using it. AVS is not the norm; it is the exception. Excellent for help and information, but if the average J6P came here looking for that help and information, they wouldn't buy anything for fear it would never work correctly, and if it did, they would be so intimidated by the technical talk it would scare them away, especially those people that still can't program the obsolete VCR after owning one for 20+ years.

Maybe someone here can help me out... I sent e-mail to Emotiva on MOnday but haven't heard back yet.

I am possibly looking at adding an XPA-3 to my NAD T775 but have a very tight space. Anybody willing to get some measurements on the XPA-3 for me?

Do the product measurements include the back connections in the measurements (binding posts, etc...)? If so, what is the size of the amp itself without taking the posts into the measurement? Do you also happen to know how far from the left and right edge the binding posts are loctaed? I have a tight space and want to make sure this will absolutely fit.

Much obliged!

Here is the Audioholics positive review of the Velodyne SMS-1 calibration tool.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/a...tric-eq-system

I had no idea such a critter existed! Very interesting read and thanks!

The sizes are on the web site in the product page. So just go to XPA-3, under products and it's there, but here it is.

17 W x 7.75 H x 19 D

The picture on the website is a bit over half scale, using a ruler on the picture, it looks like the binding posts are about 2.7" in from the edges on either side.

Yes, but I read somewhere that those measurements include the binding posts. Trying to confirm that in order to see the actual depth of the chassis itself.