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post #211 of 279
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

That's interesting.  It's pretty much a pandemic in the north east as far as I can see.  Out of 8 people who live on my street, I know 3 of them have a TV over the fireplace, (I haven't seen the others).  And all 3 TVs (again, a chunk of electronics) look crass over something otherwise beautiful.

By the way, neck strain is only one piece to a weird puzzle.  There was considerable talk about eyes drying out quickly when the head is tipped back slightly.  I don't know because my TV is centered at sitting eye height.

Its all personal preference, just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong. Never heard anything about eyes drying out, gota blink once and awhile.
post #212 of 279
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

Its all personal preference, just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong. Never heard anything about eyes drying out, gota blink once and awhile.

Agreed. But for me, a tv above a fireplace looks nice in a model home but not for practical purposes. The center of the panel should be at eye level and the fireplace below would be a distraction. But, to each his own.
post #213 of 279
I personally think Tv's of the fireplace look best when the ceiling is 12 ft high and above. Most look stuffed in with not much headroom before it hits the ceiling. I have 25 ft high ceilings and a HUGE wall. I've had a 60" plasma above my fireplace for 6 years and loved it, except the fireplace mantle dwarfed the tv. Now I just upgraded to an 80" which is about the same size as the mantle and it looks much better.
post #214 of 279
As far as aesthetics are concerned my problem is that a fireplace is the focal point in what ever room it's in. The problem with that is most fireplaces are simple small and ugly. You want the fireplace to remain or become the focal point not the TV. I hung one in a mansion with 35ft sculptured ceilings over a fireplace that was 6ft tall and 8ft wide. The TV didn't overpower the fireplace but it still took away some character of the room. Didn't matter to me I'll put a TV on the rooftop if they want it. Their 8 year old has a 60" in his bedroom and they have a 50" in their walk in closet. Nothing outside yet so a rooftop wouldn't surprise me.
post #215 of 279
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Agreed. But for me, a tv above a fireplace looks nice in a model home but not for practical purposes. The center of the panel should be at eye level and the fireplace below would be a distraction. But, to each his own.
I would argue at eye level or lower, if it's a larger display. Larger panels mounted so the top of the display is at eye level is quite comfortable.
Even if it were comfortable, aesthetically, I think putting a TV above a fireplace ruins the look of the room.
post #216 of 279
I know I relax when I watch my TV mounted above my fireplace. I sit way back in our couches, with this being said I am at eye level. If the TV was lower I would have to look down...........

-- I have never thought about it, but the 80" looks jammed in there, when the 90" comes in I will have 1/2" from the mantle to TV and then1/2" from the TV to the ceiling wink.gif No room then, once this happens you know your job is done !


Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 10/11/13 at 11:46pm
post #217 of 279
I frequently see information like this for PC monitors & presume the same height recommendations would apply to TVs.
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_monitors.html
post #218 of 279
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

Even if it were comfortable, aesthetically, I think putting a TV above a fireplace ruins the look of the room.

 

-------> BINGO <-------  (sirens and flashing lights, balloons and confetti fall, a news person shows up with a guy holding a gigantic cardboard check.....)


Edited by tgm1024 - 10/15/13 at 6:25am
post #219 of 279
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I know I relax when I watch my TV mounted above my fireplace. I sit way back in our couches, with this being said I am at eye level. If the TV was lower I would have to look down...........

-- I have never thought about it, but the 80" looks jammed in there, when the 90" comes in I will have 1/2" from the mantle to TV and then1/2" from the TV to the ceiling wink.gif No room then, once this happens you know your job is done !

 

 

(Swapped out picture with something more soothing)

 

Yikes!!!!!

post #220 of 279
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

I would argue at eye level or lower, if it's a larger display. Larger panels mounted so the top of the display is at eye level is quite comfortable.
Even if it were comfortable, aesthetically, I think putting a TV above a fireplace ruins the look of the room.

Well I guess that everyone of us that has built a home theater has done it wrong then. Lets see to sit eye level with the top of my screen I would have to be about 14" off the ceiling, I better go find some real tall chairs wink.gif
post #221 of 279
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

Well I guess that everyone of us that has built a home theater has done it wrong then. Lets see to sit eye level with the top of my screen I would have to be about 14" off the ceiling, I better go find some real tall chairs wink.gif

Not the top of your screen, the center of your screen. Notice where your eye level is when sitting in the middle of a movie theater. That's why the seats gently slope upwards from front to back. At the optimum viewing distance for the screen, the eyes are center leveled.
post #222 of 279
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Not the top of your screen, the center of your screen. Notice where your eye level is when sitting in the middle of a movie theater. That's why the seats gently slope upwards from front to back. At the optimum viewing distance for the screen, the eyes are center leveled.

I was refering to tgm1024's post above where he suggest that larger displays you should be closer to the top of the screen.

In my theater the front row is just above the bottom of the screen. Back row is 15" below the center of screen.

Bottom line here is do what ever you like and you find that works for you. I just fate seeing people post that you have to be at eye lever center of your screen or it is wrong. They are guide lines, not set in stone laws of mounting a display.
post #223 of 279
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Not the top of your screen, the center of your screen. Notice where your eye level is when sitting in the middle of a movie theater. That's why the seats gently slope upwards from front to back. At the optimum viewing distance for the screen, the eyes are center leveled.

I was refering to tgm1024's post above where he suggest that larger displays you should be closer to the top of the screen.

 

That was Chronoptimist's statement, not mine.  When I agreed with him, (with the "BINGO" comment), I was talking about the aesthetics of a tv over the fireplace ruining the look of the room.  Though it's fairly unclear given that I included the post HE was responding to.  I'll go and trim it down.

post #224 of 279
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

That was Chronoptimist's statement, not mine.  When I agreed with him, (with the "BINGO" comment), I was talking about the aesthetics of a tv over the fireplace ruining the look of the room.  Though it's fairly unclear given thatI included the post HE was responding to.  I'll go and trim it down.

No problem.

Another thing to that I guess would come in to account is the type of seating you have for your display. If you are layed back more then a higher display isn't too big of deal, also the further away you are the less problem. Sitting close to a screen over the fireplace would be a bad idea I think.
post #225 of 279
So I'm a big proponent of the TV above fireplace thing. One thing I've never figured out why people complain about the angle? I had 5 minutes and AutoCAD, and the math doesn't make that much of a case.

In my room, with rough dimensions (estimated/guessed). This is the AVS approved position that is not insulting.

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In my room now.

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And if I lean back in my chair, which being a married, white, middle-class, suburban male, I tend to do

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post #226 of 279
The further away you are the less of a big deal it is, I am about 16' from mine. Actually our seating is off angle to the TV, you have to turn your head about 35 deg to the left to watch, that is far more bothersome then the up angle.
post #227 of 279
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

The further away you are the less of a big deal it is, I am about 16' from mine. Actually our seating is off angle to the TV, you have to turn your head about 35 deg to the left to watch, that is far more bothersome then the up angle.

 

There are times when I truly have to wonder about whether or not the majority of home architects ever think about such things at all.  Things like usable mudrooms, potential positions of couches, etc., are so often completely overlooked.

post #228 of 279
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

There are times when I truly have to wonder about whether or not the majority of home architects ever think about such things at all.  Things like usable mudrooms, potential positions of couches, etc., are so often completely overlooked.

A lot of newer houses have open or "Great Rooms" which frequently mean no practical way to sit across from the TV. I've seen model homes where they have a TV placed in a corner & you have to look sideways to see it. I'm not against fireplaces, my last 2 houses had them. But when looking for a new place it was more important to have practical seating, and not just for TV watching. So we don't have a fireplace.
post #229 of 279
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

There are times when I truly have to wonder about whether or not the majority of home architects ever think about such things at all.  Things like usable mudrooms, potential positions of couches, etc., are so often completely overlooked.

A lot of newer houses have open or "Great Rooms" which frequently mean no practical way to sit across from the TV. I've seen model homes where they have a TV placed in a corner & you have to look sideways to see it. I'm not against fireplaces, my last 2 houses had them. But when looking for a new place it was more important to have practical seating, and not just for TV watching. So we don't have a fireplace.

 

The other common problem is far too many windows.  It completely squashes your ability to position things.

 

I know this too well.  I have a window in absolutely every conceivable place I can, including upstairs, and wow does that ever screw things up.

post #230 of 279
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

There are times when I truly have to wonder about whether or not the majority of home architects ever think about such things at all.  Things like usable mudrooms, potential positions of couches, etc., are so often completely overlooked.

That is your problem, most architects are just good at drawing pictures, forget structure and use. I know because I am in the industry and do all my own design and drawing, hate it when I see architect plans come through the door beacause I know 9 times out of 10 it will be up to me to figure out how to hold the house up and make the roof work mad.gif
post #231 of 279
A bit off-topic, but I knew your name sounded familiar because I just looked at your Star Ceiling and remember following your build project. Just way too cool for words. smile.gif
post #232 of 279
Has anyone tried this mounting bracket for above fireplace mounting? This to me would provide the best of both worlds in terms of being able to mount the TV above the fireplace where you want it while also being able to lower it to a more comfortable viewing position when necessary.

http://www.mantlemount.com/

I'm considering picking one up but wanted to hear a review or two first.
post #233 of 279
I'm also looking for a review of MantleMount... the website looks like a goofy infomercial so I inherently don't trust it. But if the product is legit it is exactly what I've been searching for....
post #234 of 279
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I'm also looking for a review of MantleMount... the website looks like a goofy infomercial so I inherently don't trust it. But if the product is legit it is exactly what I've been searching for....

Another negative, their email on the web site doesn't work (contact@mantlemount.com) which is never a good sign. I have not tried calling them yet though.
post #235 of 279
I emailed them this morning and it didn't bounce... if I get a response I'll let you know.

Hopefully they're better at mounts than they are at websites/email. wink.gif
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Another negative, their email on the web site doesn't work (contact@mantlemount.com) which is never a good sign. I have not tried calling them yet though.
post #236 of 279
It took a day for the email I sent them to bounce back... hopefully you have better luck - looking forward to your reply!
post #237 of 279
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It took a day for the email I sent them to bounce back... hopefully you have better luck - looking forward to your reply!

I actually got a response! smile.gif

"MantleMount is 3 years old, we've only sold direct to consumer. We do not sell through third party websites. Our customers find us on google or word-of-mouth, buy the product, install the product, and enjoy it. They never speak to us again unless we ask them, and when we do they're always very happy. We have a good product at a good price, and our website expresses our enthusiasm. Don't let it scare you off. MantleMount is 1/8" powder-coated steel that will last your lifetime."

So I think I'm going to give it a go... I won't be able to report back for a couple of months (new home build) but fingers crossed!
post #238 of 279
Awesome, I look forward to your results.

I just emailed them again asking if putting a 2" home made wooden plate between the mantle mount bracket and the wall would be acceptable since it would essentially decrease the depth of my mantle by 2". Awaiting a response.
post #239 of 279
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thanks for the suggestion.

But, yes whenever I make a cable run I always leave additional cable slack.

A good deal of the cabling seen in the photo will be eliminated shortly.


Wed of this coming week I am having a DN VIP722 HD receiver installed which has an HDMI port.That will eliminate 2 cables. Also my dvd player is presently connected via component....that will eliminate 4 cables, as it also has an HDMI port. The SD receiver I now have will be retired. It does not have HDMI only has comp, RCA, Svideo, jacks.


I also ran 2 dedicated 110 vac lines with duplex receptacles, and an RJ 11, which you can't see behind the side legs of the overmantle. I constructed the complete wall cabinetry so it can be removed for modification if ever with out injuring any it. Also should I sell my home, a prospective buyer may disapprove of it, benig it is in the living room.
post #240 of 279
Position screen as Chronoptimist has suggested. Move the fireplace somewhere else.
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