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Seleco SVP400 ? any good ?

post #1 of 24
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guys,

is this crt model any good for dvd movies ?

Im after a quiet unit, that I can set up myself...........

is this model better than say a Sony HS60 lcd PJ ?

I know the blacks will be better, but will it be a compromise elsewhere ?

and if so , where ?

Im considering CRT, but its much more difficult to choose the right PJ, than a LCD is....

thanks
post #2 of 24
At this point it's considered an entry level set, but it's still better than any LCD. If you're in England or Europe, they are quite popular there, but in NOrth America there's ZERO parts for them out there. (put your location in your profile please!)

I'd pay no more than $150-200 for it in NOrth America, and make sure it has the service remote with it or you won't be able to set it up. IN Europe it's worth more with backup support.
post #3 of 24
For the price of Sony HS60 you can do a Sony G70, Nec XG or Electrohome 8500LC. These are the most popular PJ's that beat HS60 in most areas.
post #4 of 24
If you want to beat your previous projector not just in black levels but also in other areas too you have to stop scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Troy
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by pcCinema View Post

If you want to beat your previous projector not just in black levels but also in other areas too you have to stop scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Troy


Interesting points...............well, the seller is asking £ 1,750 for this item, thats about $ 3,000 US

so I thought it was a pretty high end machine, considering he wants this much for a used one...........

it has only 300 hours from new................

seems the price is crazy ?

yes, Im in UK............I will update my profile...........
post #6 of 24
Im the seller !!!!!!!!!!!!

Im guessin !!!

Put this in perspective people in the UK pay £5-7K for a high end 9 inch - they sell for $7-10K USA

The Seleco was about £8000 new 9 inchers £35,000-50,000


Your on the USA based forum, most guys here wont know Seleco...........

You can find me here, Curts forum, UK forum........

So yu are buying from a fairly well know guy.......................IF you buy it!
post #7 of 24
Ask what others think about the PJ,

Many guys have also dealt with me, So ask them what they think of me!



Time to find out who my friends are !!!
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
Yes, I saw it today online, for 1,750...............there was only one, so I guess it is indeed your sale........

I dont know why ( in that case ) the previous poster said I was " scraping the bottom of barrell " IF he is unaware of what the model is actually like ?

that seems a silly remark to make, if someone doesnt actually recognise the unit ?

CRTs do appeal, but I really know nothing about them, I dont even know if I can play a HD dvd through the 450+ ?
post #9 of 24
Yes we don't know seleco's here in the US much at all. I've never owned one and I can't find specs on that one but I believe it is an ES focus 7" machine. Hardly something I'd recomend these days and wouldn't bring $50 here. 7" ES focus machines are bottom of the barrel.

Even if I were in the UK I'd still go for something more common. Like a nice barco...
8" or 9" EM barco... LC and Color filtered lenses too please.

If CRT projectors are that expensive there it may very well be cheaper to buy from the US or Canada and have it shipped there. I know that Curt Palme and others ship there all the time and you could probably get a top 8" machine shipped for the same or less than what you're looking at now.

Troy
post #10 of 24
Curt has a 1209 for $5800 and a 1209s for $8000 (£2900/£4000)

I also am selling a 1209 and 1209s Both of mine are £4000.00

My 1209 is a much higher spec than the current one Curt offers due to specific upgrades fitted.

So my Uk price is actually cheaper than Curts....

Remember import duty 4%, VAT 17.5% shipping about £500

So why then do the Selecos appear so expensive - well they serve a much different market place. Curt mentioned $50-200 for one.
Ask him again what price for a 450PLUS in original box, both remotes, ceiling bracket, manual and about 300 hours use with original tubes in the UK, thats a fair question about the unit you are talking about here............I would only give $100 for an ex pub 350 unit just like Curt..............

Small compact, great looking cases so are more desirable in a living room, VERY easy to setup as a first time CRT.

I would not take the word from someone who has never seen a Seleco in action, the LOW grade seleco 350 versions were/are found in pubs, very reliable, from the 400,400HT,450,450+,500HT,500+HD these were all designed as the better home cinema unit, top of the range is the 800.

Of course maybe you might want a Barco! as mentioned in my sig.........
post #11 of 24
I don't have to see one to know what lind of picture it can throw. I've had every 7" ES machine that was ever common in my part of the world and there is a natural limit to what they can do.

Hell I run a 708s now (cine7) so trust me I don't need to know the seleco brand to know what I'm talking about. Any projector can't be any better than the sum of it's parts.

It still makes no sense to spend that kind of cash on that type of machine no matter what comes with it or how low the hours are. You are too far into 8" EM price points.

Not everyone needs a 9" machine, but everyone can see the limits of a 7" ES set easily enough.

Don't be condecending with that type of comment about not taking advice from someone who hasn't had that particular model. I'd have a masters in CRT front projectors by now if there were such a thing and your comment is insulting. I know you'd love to make a sale and my comments certainly aren't helping you sell the seleco, but I'm not calling you an ass and telling him not to consider a decent barco from you.

Troy
post #12 of 24
OK, well my post is still valid. My understanding is that it's a virtually new set with the remote and backup tech support (Mad emailed me about this set a while back).

So yes, from someone like him it's worth the asking price. On the used/tubes worn market it wouldn't be.
post #13 of 24
Troy my comment was not aimed at you, but a general statement.

There is a range of Seleco projectors and each use the same tubes, increasing in quality of picture as you go up the range, the 400s had internal line doubler options, and the later versions an upgraded line doubler and higher quality optics.

My comment was aimed at those who often dismiss the Seleco range as they have memory of the original 150 / 190 units which in their time were good but in my opinion are now past their useful life - YES there are still many available but the 3xx series brought with it sleek design & compact size.

I personally rate the "almost as new" Seleco at the same value as a second hand clean 1208 series, each has its merits and are sold for different reasons........The Barco is harder to setup, twice the size and weight.

(Troy I am not going to cover old ground, I personally dont rate you as high as you do yourself, and thats from personal experience of BUYING a PJ from you, From what you wrote above you seem to think I still care about that sale, I moved on a long time ago and im the the one who got the bad end of that deal. Dont think everything I post is a personal attack on you, I really have better things to do with my time. If you wish to drag the past up start another thread.)
post #14 of 24
Yawn

I had forgotten all about that "as is" machine actually. I have no motive other than giving a non biased opinion of the pj in question. To me it's like buying a used native svga bulb projector for $1500 now because it has a pretty case and is practically new. Hardly a smart thing to do given you can now get xga and 720p bulb projectors for $1000 and less.

But hey, what do I know... Since I haven't seen every svga bulb projector on the market maybe some are more magically delicious than higher res newer bulb projectors.

Note that I said no to the seleco before you were ever in this thread MadMRH, so to try to say I'm just trying to poke at you is pretty silly. I had no idea and could care less who the seller is. If this same guy wanted to buy a ECP 4500+ with acon and dual input boards in mint shape in the box from Curt for a similar price point I would still be saying the same thing. I would say that 4500+ might sound nice but would hardly reccomend it over a better pj in the same price range.

Troy
post #15 of 24
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I have to agree, all things considered, I think pc Cinema has the best judgement on the Seleco.

£ 1,750 is almost $ 3,000 US. It might be close to new, but the price is just too much, considering how the market has moved on.

When these Seleco and other CRTs used to cost 10,000s, home cinema was only for people with serious cash to spare.

nowadays, its almost for anyone, well, anyone who can afford a $ 600 PJ.

So, for what I see, as a limited CRT ( No HD support, limited image processing ) the price should not be more than what a good, new , LCD or DLP PJ would cost.

Sure, I do like the CRT blacks, and smoothness, but to buy the 450+ for £ 1,750 ( $ 4000 ) seems like dead money.

If I buy a modern digital PJ, and dont like it, I can sell it on, minimal loss, and buy another. moreso, I can go to my local dealer, and demo before I buy.

I think I will pass on CRTs, as much as I would like one, they are still , in many ways, for people who have the cash to throw on them, setting up, initial purchase costs, etc etc

The biggest problem for me, has to be, I dont have anyone remotely local, where I could see a CRT working, so i could judge the image quality, noise factor, etc

I think purchasing these units blindly, is a big risk.

Anyway, for what has been said, it really does seem, that close to $ 4,000 is madness for the Seleco 6" tubed CRT, whether is close to new or not.

Anyone else think my comments make sense ?
post #16 of 24
I'll only comment on 'throwing cash at a CRT'. In the long run, it's the digitals that you throw money at. Disposable electronics, expensive short lived bulbs, blah blah. Cost per hour of run time is far lower on a used CRT, even if the initial cash outlay of the CRT and digital sets is the same.
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by ag studios View Post

So, for what I see, as a limited CRT ( No HD support, limited image processing ) the price should not be more than what a good, new , LCD or DLP PJ would cost.

Where that come from? Limited processing/no HD compatibility with CRT!!?? Give me a break!
You have got it backward fella.
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post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by eandoz View Post

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.p...442&class&3&4&

How can you go wrong?

THANK YOU for that info, WOW that is a heck of a difference $ 400, or $ 4,000 from the UK seller.

( Ok, one is the 400 HT model, the other the 450+ model _ still, $ 3600 price difference ????? )

As for my previous comments about HD, sorry, I was referring onto the the Seleco CRT, that I was considering purchasing.
post #20 of 24
To put this in perspective, AVS themselves were selling brand new in box SVD-800HD's with all the support and warranty that purchasing from AVS implies for $3500 a bit over a year ago.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by The_Preacher1973 View Post

To put this in perspective, AVS themselves were selling brand new in box SVD-800HD's with all the support and warranty that purchasing from AVS implies for $3500 a bit over a year ago.

And according to Alan, they didn't sell any..

AG,
I'm sure these are great es projectors that compare nicely with something like an ECP 4500. This set is not bottom of the barrel. With only 300 hours it wil likely perform very close to an 8" machine with a few thousand hours but it will eventually start to soften and loose focus.....and about the price, well there is no doubt you can get much more performance for your money.
post #22 of 24
The original price was high to stop lots of people asking loads of questions over the Crimbo period when many are at home with nothing better to do than ask seller questions.............

A SELECO in the USA has no value, period. They were not really sold there and so there are few parts available or units for sale.........

They were sold in great number in the UK.

the 350 is the basic PUB install model..........and they go up from there..............

January Sales !!!


Anyway I cant believe you posted "No one in the UK will show you a CRT!!!"

My advert clearly gives you a link to the UK CRT forum and you have not used that to ask anyone.............

This is mainly the USA forum so little chance you will find a UK CRT here.......there are about five of us from the UK on here...............

There is one NEW in box SVD800 in the UK for £4000, its a different market place over here........

It costs money to ship them over here......say £500 shipping, 4% duty, 17.5% VAT.

AND YES Shipping from the UK side is expensive as well - Shipping from almost anywhere else in the world is much cheaper..............NOT MY PRICES, thats just how it is.............

OH! and Alan may not have sold any but at least FIVE of those USA units sold - the 800's


The condition of the tubes usually dictates the price, chassis hours next, previous use etc......

Drop in to the UK CRT forum, if not buy a digital. Just hope you never see the picture of a CRT and then you will never cry about what you missed.....................
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by eandoz View Post

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.p...442&class&3&4&

How can you go wrong?

Hes in the UK, so I would say not practical to look at USA sites.........
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by Rinx View Post

And according to Alan, they didn't sell any..

Well if that's the case then I better go check exactly what's hanging in my theatre. I mean, Alan told me it was an SVD-800Hd and that's what it had written on the box...
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