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post #61 of 249
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How strange, they looked much better on my display too. They play like that again and 41 is in the bag. (Tip) Take the bears and the seven points.

I agree, with the seven points, it makes it interesting. I am a little biased being a Bears fan, though. Funny thing is, I live almost half-way between Chicago and Indy and half my friends are Colts' fans and the other half Bears' fans, so these next eleven days are going to get pretty heated.
post #62 of 249
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For a ceiling mount though retro-reflective not such a good answer.... also viewing area too wide for HP.... (175" wide at 15').

The HD70 and HD72 don't really need the gain. What we should buy this material for is the lack of seeing waves in video. This way we can have a low priced non-tensioned screen. I wouldnt' recommend any of the the other type materials for a budget non-tensioned except for maybe Matt White, but mat white gets a little boring. Also it's not as good as the retro at hiding waves. The HD73 is 475lumens at 106" 1.0 gain and the white tone of the HP is a better match for the type is image it has. Which is very deep on the blacks and strong on the colors.
post #63 of 249
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I just posted some tuning numbers in the first post for HDTV at 720p over the component hook up. I assume most everyone is setup this way. Anyway after the tuning I'm looking over the most excellent series from HBO (Rome). The images look extremely good on this beautifully done TV series. Hard to believe it's just TV. If you haven't viewed this show you're really missing something, forget Gladiator this is awesome stuff, characters, art direction, one of a kind opening art sequence. Very nice looking on the HD73.
post #64 of 249
Tom,
Thanks for the numbers, I had a little bit of time to play around with them last night. It definately improved the flesh tones. Are you only using PC degamma b/c you are using a HTPC?

Also, could you check and see if your LBX mode is working correctly? I am getting ready to set up for CIH, and unfortunatley, my LBX mode is not doing anything.

Thanks.
post #65 of 249
Do you have a link to those numbers?

Steve W
post #66 of 249
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

Do you have a link to those numbers?

Steve W

Steve;

You'll find them on the frist post on this thread
post #67 of 249
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Originally Posted by bluesboyjr View Post

Tom,
Thanks for the numbers, I had a little bit of time to play around with them last night. It definately improved the flesh tones. Are you only using PC degamma b/c you are using a HTPC?

Also, could you check and see if your LBX mode is working correctly? I am getting ready to set up for CIH, and unfortunatley, my LBX mode is not doing anything.

Thanks.

One thing I do is run through all the gamma choices with the Accupel to find the one that gets closest to 2.20 gamma, PC was the one. Even after tuning up the grayscale the gamma stayed right on and at 2.19 which is very good.

The HD73 has the picture quality we're looking for in a HT setup. Very easy to have appealing colors, dark black level, excellent deinterlacing of 480i source. Regular TV - shows up very smooth with a low artifact level, mpeg noise there's barely any. Looks like a keeper to me.

The Letterbox aspect will work correctly, mine is a pre pro and no it's not expanding like it should. Letterbox on mine stands the same as 16.9. 16.9 works correcty with no overscan.
post #68 of 249
Hi, I'm new here.

I've been saving up for a projector and was going for the HD72 but the 73 was announced shortly after and decided to aim for that one. I'm wanting the best picture possible and been reading the 73 does have a superior picture over the 72, but I was curious as to how much of a difference. If the picture really isn't that much better I'd like to be able to save $500. But I am willing to spend it if it's that damn good.
post #69 of 249
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You would be paying for a DC3 which has better blacks and fill, Faroudja processing and an optimized colorwheel geared for movie cinema. Both machines can do decent pictures and so can the $999 H70 but the HD73 is the superior machine. The colors and blacks will set it apart. Weigh your needs, money or the best quality.

Me I'd be far happier with the HD73, I asked to buy the demo today it's that good.
post #70 of 249
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One thing I do is run through all the gamma choices with the Accupel to find the one that gets closest to 2.20 gamma, PC was the one. Even after tuning up the grayscale the gamma stayed right on and at 2.19 which is very good.

The HD73 has the picture quality we're looking for in a HT setup. Very easy to have appealing colors, dark black level, excellent deinterlacing of 480i source. Regular TV - shows up very smooth with a low artifact level, mpeg noise there's barely any. Looks like a keeper to me.

The Letterbox aspect will work correctly, mine is a pre pro and no it's not expanding like it should. Letterbox on mine stands the same as 16.9. 16.9 works correcty with no overscan.

Thanks for clearing those points up, Tom.
post #71 of 249
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Originally Posted by bluesboyjr View Post

Tom,
Thanks for the numbers, I had a little bit of time to play around with them last night. It definately improved the flesh tones. Are you only using PC degamma b/c you are using a HTPC?

Also, could you check and see if your LBX mode is working correctly? I am getting ready to set up for CIH, and unfortunatley, my LBX mode is not doing anything.

Thanks.

I noticed I got Letterbox over the composite connection but don't worry Wing is the Apect expert for Optoma he'll fix it up for sure. Plus I hope they get the online firmware site going pretty soon also.
post #72 of 249
Thanks for the info. I'll probably go for the 73 since I'm after the best cinema experience.
post #73 of 249
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Good idea you'll sleep better knowing you made the best of it.
post #74 of 249
OK, after thinking about it for a few months, I'm going to go with the HD73. Just returned the HC3000U that I bought last week at Best Buy. I pretty much have my dedicated basement room ready with cables and a HDMI switch coming from Monoprice this Friday. Now I just need to find the projector and get a fixed frame screen. I'm still a little lost on screens. I was leaning towards a grey screen, but after reading through a bunch of threads, I'm thinking a matte white will be better for a room that is completely dark. Any opinions on screens for this pj. It will be ceiling mounted (8ft up) and 12 ft away, will probably go with 100" or slighly less. Thanks.
post #75 of 249
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Originally Posted by bluesboyjr View Post


Also, could you check and see if your LBX mode is working correctly? I am getting ready to set up for CIH, and unfortunatley, my LBX mode is not doing anything.

Thanks.

With my HD72 I found LBX did not work properly if I used the 'overscan' function at all. Setting overscan = 0 (disabled) cured it and LBX works on all inputs at all resolutions...even 1080p. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case with the HD73 too given their similarities.

I have a CIH setup and it works great.

Mike
post #76 of 249
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Originally Posted by Uatatoka View Post

With my HD72 I found LBX did not work properly if I used the 'overscan' function at all. Setting overscan = 0 (disabled) cured it and LBX works on all inputs at all resolutions...even 1080p. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case with the HD73 too given their similarities.

I have a CIH setup and it works great.

Mike

Thanks for the tip, Mike. I know I am definately using overscan. I will check to see if it works when I get home from work.
post #77 of 249
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

You would be paying for a DC3 which has better blacks and fill, Faroudja processing and an optimized colorwheel geared for movie cinema. Both machines can do decent pictures and so can the $999 H70 but the HD73 is the superior machine. The colors and blacks will set it apart. Weigh your needs, money or the best quality.

Me I'd be far happier with the HD73, I asked to buy the demo today it's that good.


Tom, How does it compare to the HD7100?
post #78 of 249
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Re the overscan and letterbox, good find that's it just turn off overscan and you can use Letterbox.

The HD7100 is better but has some problems. I still couldn't use the Tosh HDa1 with it and there's no problem with the HD73. Plus the HD7100 had no overscan or not enough to eliminate TV noise when viewing TV channels.

But picture wise the HD7100 is pretty solid.
post #79 of 249
^ cool my bud is picking it up.

Currently I run 2 pj's. I have my hd7100 hooked to my Dual Tuner HD DVR, and my Blu-Ray player. then I have my Sp5700 with new bulb hooked to my Htpc(s). I am going to pick up a DVD0 Vp50 soon. but first I need my Pioneer Elite vxs8x. and new speaker system so I can get Get 1080 passthru and Uncompressed PCM via my PS3.

Re the hda1 issues. Component looks fine. tho can't upscale. but now I am leaning towards BD.
post #80 of 249
You know I also had a question about screens myself. Right now, the front runner is sheetrock, cut to fit painted with the goo systems screen goo. I talked to someone who got it and swears by it, but I also talked to someone who installs HT systems for a living and so far no one has used it, I'm assuming because they don't know about it. I knows there's pros and cons to everything, but I'd like a second opinion from here.
post #81 of 249
^ I swear by Da-light High Contrast Cinema Vision Fabric. 500 bux for fabric and then you have a 1500 dollar + screen.
post #82 of 249
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Originally Posted by Uatatoka View Post

With my HD72 I found LBX did not work properly if I used the 'overscan' function at all. Setting overscan = 0 (disabled) cured it and LBX works on all inputs at all resolutions...even 1080p. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case with the HD73 too given their similarities.

I have a CIH setup and it works great.

Mike

Just an additional confirmation that this was indeed the problem. Thanks again, Mike.
post #83 of 249
HD73 Review

Projector - HD73.
Screen - Stewart Firehawk (170cm wide)
Sources - SKY HD Box & Toshiba HD-E1
Material - Sin City' and The Forgotten' HD recordings from SKY HD. Grease' Sky One & Sky 1 HD simulcast. King Kong' HD-DVD. Terminator 2: Judgement Day' SD DVD.
Seating distance c.310cm.

I have only run a very basic set up procedure with my new projector. Nonetheless, I don't think it will take too much tweaking to get it perfect.

PAINT THE WHOLE WORLD WITH A RAINBOW

Firstly, the bad news. For Sin City' read Rainbow City', with Zippy, George and Bungle in full attendance (not to mention Rod, Jane and Freddy) **. I consider myself a moderate RBE sufferer, though I often suffer most badly on black & white films. I'm afraid that the rainbows on Sin City' were the worst I've ever seen. Indeed, my partner, who had never noticed RBE on my old projector (the SD H56), complained that she was suffering badly on this film. However, it should be noted that she never saw a black and white film on the H56.

AND NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS

On all the other material (all of it colour), whether it be SD, HD, from satellite, or from disc, it was virtually impossible to induce rainbows, despite some pretty wild blinking, shaking of heads, and exaggerated movement. I did get a little, but hardly any. Personally, I would not consider this anything but the most minor of hindrances for the HD73, unless you wanted to watch a lot of films in black and white.

What a shame there was so much RBE in Sin City', as the picture was otherwise awesome. The Sky HD broadcast has had some stick in the Sky HD forum here, but to my eyes, apart from the RBE, I found the picture to be beyond reproach. I'd even go as far as to say that it was the best image we saw. To be fair, I think this may largely down to the fact that the images are relatively simple in this film, with animated blocks making up much of the picture, and lots of ecu shots to show off Bruce Willis' stubble in all its detailed glory. This is obviously quite different to King Kong's complex backgrounds of vegetation, with thousands of tiny leaves, etc.

SOURCE MATERIAL IS IMPORTANT

Unfortunately, The Forgotten' was not of the same standard. There was nothing particularly wrong with the image, it just wasn't striking. I think this may be due, in part, to the moody & soft look of the source material.

Grease' was a different matter entirely. Swapping between the SD broadcast on Sky 1, and the HD broadcast on Sky 1 HD, the difference was most noticeable; so much so that I'd be tempted to suggest that Sky had knobbled' the SD image. In reality, I think the comparison merely showed up the limitations of a carelessly compressed SD broadcast on an HD projector.

MY PROJECTOR IS TOO GOOD

King Kong' was a joy to watch. The image was crisp, colourful, vibrant, and detailed. Some of the long shots of Kong sat on top of the island were breathtaking.

Unfortunately, I fear the image may actually have been too good. The brontosaurus stampede looked too obviously blue screen' - it was almost impossible to remove the mental image of actors stood against blue screen, with the CGI added later.

I most certainly didn't see this at the cinema. Indeed, both my partner and I felt King Kong' looked noticeably better than it did when we saw it at the cinema, despite the fact that we had no complaints about what it looked like originally.

Finally, the SD DVD of Terminator 2: Judgement Day' looked as good as I've ever seen it - at least as good as the HD recording of The Forgotten'.

SO, JUST HOW GOOD IS THE HD73?

I would not claim to be an expert on projectors, though I am a massive film fan. I'm used to seeing excellent images at the cinema, and for many years was a frequent patron of the NFT in London, having seen many virgin, newly restored prints.

I'm sure that, placed alongside a more expensive model, I might notice some shortcomings with the HD73. I'm equally sure that someone who retails projectors, and sees them day-in, day-out, may well notice things they'd like improved.

However, RBE aside, the HD73 produced as good an image as I have ever seen - video or film, home, multiplex, or arthouse cinema.

Several months ago, I witnessed a SIM C3X a couple of times. The image was gorgeous, but I don't remember it being particularly better than I saw last night - RBE aside. Don't get me wrong, as I've said, I'm sure that side-by-side there'd be noticeable differences. But we don't watch like that. Few of us, I imagine, have ever seen any video projector alongside 35mm film. We must rely on our satisfaction, and our memories, and on that count I'd say the images I saw on the HD73 were as satisfying as any I've ever seen, and there was nothing I saw which I could remember seeing better elsewhere.

Colours looked natural - reds looked red, greens looked green, etc. Contrast, and detail in both very dark and very bright scenes looked excellent. Brightness was no problem, with bright scenes looking white, rather than dark grey (this may well have been helped by the fact that my cinema room is pitch black, and I have a relatively small screen). I saw nothing immediately in the way of digital artefacts.

In short, if you enjoy watching the film, rather than the image, and simply want PQ good enough that it doesn't distract from the film, but amazes you as a spectacle occasionally, as great cinema sometimes does, the HD73 is as good as you'll ever need.

Both my partner and I were very clear in our conclusion - the HD73, fed with a good HD source, looked noticeably better than a multiplex cinema, and at least as good as a top quality cinema picture.

In 5 years time I hope (expect?) Themescene/Optoma to have a 3 chip, RBE-free projector, which is otherwise the same quality as this, for £3,000. I will buy it, and never want for another projector again.

Steve W

** For my trans-Atlantic cousins, 'Rainbow' was a British children's TV programme, with resident puppets George, Bungle and Zippy, and cheesy-smiled singing trio Rod, Jane and Freddy.

SW
post #84 of 249
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

HD73 Review

Projector - HD73.
Screen - Stewart Firehawk (170cm wide)
Sources - SKY HD Box & Toshiba HD-E1
Material - Sin City' and The Forgotten' HD recordings from SKY HD. Grease' Sky One & Sky 1 HD simulcast. King Kong' HD-DVD. Terminator 2: Judgement Day' SD DVD.
Seating distance c.310cm.

I have only run a very basic set up procedure with my new projector. Nonetheless, I don't think it will take too much tweaking to get it perfect.

PAINT THE WHOLE WORLD WITH A RAINBOW

Firstly, the bad news. For Sin City' read Rainbow City', with Zippy, George and Bungle in full attendance (not to mention Rod, Jane and Freddy) **. I consider myself a moderate RBE sufferer, though I often suffer most badly on black & white films. I'm afraid that the rainbows on Sin City' were the worst I've ever seen. Indeed, my partner, who had never noticed RBE on my old projector (the SD H56), complained that she was suffering badly on this film. However, it should be noted that she never saw a black and white film on the H56.

AND NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS

On all the other material (all of it colour), whether it be SD, HD, from satellite, or from disc, it was virtually impossible to induce rainbows, despite some pretty wild blinking, shaking of heads, and exaggerated movement. I did get a little, but hardly any. Personally, I would not consider this anything but the most minor of hindrances for the HD73, unless you wanted to watch a lot of films in black and white.

What a shame there was so much RBE in Sin City', as the picture was otherwise awesome. The Sky HD broadcast has had some stick in the Sky HD forum here, but to my eyes, apart from the RBE, I found the picture to be beyond reproach. I'd even go as far as to say that it was the best image we saw. To be fair, I think this may largely down to the fact that the images are relatively simple in this film, with animated blocks making up much of the picture, and lots of ecu shots to show off Bruce Willis' stubble in all its detailed glory. This is obviously quite different to King Kong's complex backgrounds of vegetation, with thousands of tiny leaves, etc.

SOURCE MATERIAL IS IMPORTANT

Unfortunately, The Forgotten' was not of the same standard. There was nothing particularly wrong with the image, it just wasn't striking. I think this may be due, in part, to the moody & soft look of the source material.

Grease' was a different matter entirely. Swapping between the SD broadcast on Sky 1, and the HD broadcast on Sky 1 HD, the difference was most noticeable; so much so that I'd be tempted to suggest that Sky had knobbled' the SD image. In reality, I think the comparison merely showed up the limitations of a carelessly compressed SD broadcast on an HD projector.

MY PROJECTOR IS TOO GOOD

King Kong' was a joy to watch. The image was crisp, colourful, vibrant, and detailed. Some of the long shots of Kong sat on top of the island were breathtaking.

Unfortunately, I fear the image may actually have been too good. The brontosaurus stampede looked too obviously blue screen' - it was almost impossible to remove the mental image of actors stood against blue screen, with the CGI added later.

I most certainly didn't see this at the cinema. Indeed, both my partner and I felt King Kong' looked noticeably better than it did when we saw it at the cinema, despite the fact that we had no complaints about what it looked like originally.

Finally, the SD DVD of Terminator 2: Judgement Day' looked as good as I've ever seen it - at least as good as the HD recording of The Forgotten'.

SO, JUST HOW GOOD IS THE HD73?

I would not claim to be an expert on projectors, though I am a massive film fan. I'm used to seeing excellent images at the cinema, and for many years was a frequent patron of the NFT in London, having seen many virgin, newly restored prints.

I'm sure that, placed alongside a more expensive model, I might notice some shortcomings with the HD73. I'm equally sure that someone who retails projectors, and sees them day-in, day-out, may well notice things they'd like improved.

However, RBE aside, the HD73 produced as good an image as I have ever seen - video or film, home, multiplex, or arthouse cinema.

Several months ago, I witnessed a SIM C3X a couple of times. The image was gorgeous, but I don't remember it being particularly better than I saw last night - RBE aside. Don't get me wrong, as I've said, I'm sure that side-by-side there'd be noticeable differences. But we don't watch like that. Few of us, I imagine, have ever seen any video projector alongside 35mm film. We must rely on our satisfaction, and our memories, and on that count I'd say the images I saw on the HD73 were as satisfying as any I've ever seen, and there was nothing I saw which I could remember seeing better elsewhere.

Colours looked natural - reds looked red, greens looked green, etc. Contrast, and detail in both very dark and very bright scenes looked excellent. Brightness was no problem, with bright scenes looking white, rather than dark grey (this may well have been helped by the fact that my cinema room is pitch black, and I have a relatively small screen). I saw nothing immediately in the way of digital artefacts.

In short, if you enjoy watching the film, rather than the image, and simply want PQ good enough that it doesn't distract from the film, but amazes you as a spectacle occasionally, as great cinema sometimes does, the HD73 is as good as you'll ever need.

Both my partner and I were very clear in our conclusion - the HD73, fed with a good HD source, looked noticeably better than a multiplex cinema, and at least as good as a top quality cinema picture.

In 5 years time I hope (expect?) Themescene/Optoma to have a 3 chip, RBE-free projector, which is otherwise the same quality as this, for £3,000. I will buy it, and never want for another projector again.

Steve W

** For my trans-Atlantic cousins, 'Rainbow' was a British children's TV programme, with resident puppets George, Bungle and Zippy, and cheesy-smiled singing trio Rod, Jane and Freddy.

SW

Good Review.

King Kong is a crap movie. too much CGFantasy.


Pick Up Copy of Crank, Kingdom of Heaven, Blackhawk Down, Transporter1, or 2.

yup they are all BD. hmm...


I see no rainbows on my HD7100.

my buddy will like this review. thanks again.
post #85 of 249
I've got an HD72 at the moment and was wondering how the fill rate of the 73 compared against it? Are the mirrors closer together than the HD72? Not that the HD72 is bad in this respect (especially when compared to LCD), but can you sit closer to the screen with the HD73 without noticing SDE?
post #86 of 249
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Originally Posted by Canary_Jules View Post

I've got an HD72 at the moment and was wondering how the fill rate of the 73 compared against it? Are the mirrors closer together than the HD72? Not that the HD72 is bad in this respect (especially when compared to LCD), but can you sit closer to the screen with the HD73 without noticing SDE?

I've had the HD72 and I now have the HD73, and I think the fill ratio is definately a little better with the HD73. It is not a huge improvent, and I don't think it would allow you to get much closer to the screen, though.
post #87 of 249
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Originally Posted by bluesboyjr View Post

I've had the HD72 and I now have the HD73, and I think the fill ratio is definately a little better with the HD73. It is not a huge improvent, and I don't think it would allow you to get much closer to the screen, though.

Thanks. So you think the HD73 is a worthy upgrade? I spoke to the dealer I bought my HD72 from today and asked them about it. He said that the picture from the HD73 was phenomenal and that in his opinion the HD73 looked almost as good as the Sony Pearl - which is saying something! Maybe this is hyperbole but if it is I get the point. Another dealer I spoke to a couple of weeks back, however, said there really wasn't much of an improvement and for the price of the upgrade I'd be better off keeping my HD72. Don't know which dealer to believe!
post #88 of 249
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Don't know which dealer to believe!

My money's on the guy who is trying to talk you out of buying the 73. Unless of course he's thinking he's got you on the line for something even more expensive down the road...

- Jim the Noob
post #89 of 249
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Originally Posted by bluesboyjr View Post

I don't think it would allow you to get much closer to the screen, though.

That reminds me of a good question. How close do you have to sit to notice the SDE? And how bad is it really?
post #90 of 249
Tom - any chance you will be calibrating HD over HDMI for this projector? Do you think it would be significantly different from your component settings? I took a shot at it, but I'm no pro. I managed to set the basic settings using Avia, but I couldn't make any sense out of the color tests at the end. The squares didn't seem to change much no matter what setting I used. I could hire a pro to come out here, but I am way out in the sticks, so it would cost a bundle.

No that I am suffering. When I first hooked it up, Discovery HD was running a nature documentary with coral reef footage. My wife was blown away by the PQ (thanks, DSCHD)
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