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Cinema Series(R) REGZA 1080p Full HD - LX177 Series

" In addition to the many enhancements made throughout the new REGZA
line, Toshiba is proud to offer four new Cinema Series REGZA 1080p Full HD
models in 42", 46", and new 52" and 57" diagonally measured screen sizes -
57" is the largest flat panel TV Toshiba has offered yet. In addition to
the features and benefits of all the new REGZA models mentioned above, 2007
Cinema Series REGZA models also feature new ClearFrame 120 Hz anti-blur
technology. This advanced technology doubles the frame rate from 60 frames
per second to 120 frames per second using Motion Vector Frame
Interpolation, virtually eliminating motion blur without adding flicker or
reducing image brightness. This makes Cinema Series REGZA the perfect
choice for fast action movies and sports. The Cinema Series REGZA HDMI
connections also include Deep Color and XVycc technology for further
enhanced color space.

Cinema Series REGZA 1080p Full HD models also feature a new and
innovative premium cabinet design with new SoundStrip2 technology. This
technology utilizes an acoustic chamber within the set to develop rich
bass, natural voices and crisp highs, all with a further reduced cabinet
height enhancing the overall Cinema Series design.
In addition, Cinema Series REGZA models target high-end home theater
applications with connectivity such as an IR input and a THINC(TM) RJ-45
connection, plus Virtual Dolby(R) sound and a new 6-Item A/V illuminated
universal remote."

Cinema Series REGZA 1080p Full HD
42LX177 (June/July 2007)
46LX177 (June/July 2007)
52LX177 (June/July 2007)
57LX177 (June/July 2007)
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The full press release:

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CES, LAS VEGAS, Jan. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- Toshiba America Consumer Products, L.L.C. ("Toshiba") announced today its newly enhanced LCD flat panel line at CES 2007. In a move designed to build on the momentum from its May 2006 REGZA brand launch, Toshiba is rolling out 13 new REGZA models including new high level picture technologies, larger screen sizes and beautiful new high-gloss cosmetic designs.

Toshiba's REGZA LCD line includes new models ranging from 26" diagonally measured all the way up to 57" diagonally measured - the 52" and 57" screen sizes are new and on display at CES. New industry leading enhancement technologies found in the line include PixelPure3G(TM), DynaLight(TM), ColorBurst(TM), ClearFrame(TM) and CE-Link(TM).

"The acceptance of REGZA in the marketplace has been stunning," said Scott Ramirez, Vice President of Marketing. "Our market share in 32"+ LCD has nearly tripled in just six months. The combination of high quality you can trust, leading technology to take you into the future, and true consumer value, is making REGZA the smart choice."

For 2007, Toshiba has enhanced overall image quality yet again, creating a new line of REGZA LCD TV with picture quality that is truly second to none. In addition to its continued commitment to image quality, Toshiba has now focused on creating cabinetry that will also set REGZA apart. All new 2007 REGZA models now feature beautiful high-gloss black cabinetry with Toshiba's slim SoundStrip(TM) speaker technology. SoundStrip enables more compact cabinetry, without sacrificing the big home theater sound, creating a more modern high-class look.

REGZA 720p - HL67 & LV67 Series

Toshiba's REGZA line includes six 720p models ranging from 26" diagonally measured to the new 42" diagonally measured. These televisions include new advanced Toshiba technologies such as PixelPure3G and DynaLight. The new Toshiba PixelPure3G advanced 14-bit internal digital video processing offers 4,096 levels of gradation for 16 times the gradation levels of standard 8-bit systems, and now creates cleaner more natural images by incorporating new enhanced MPEG noise reduction technology. Unlike standard LCD panels, the new CineSpeed(TM) panels incorporate DynaLight dynamic backlight control. This system works with PixelPure to monitor the brightness of the incoming video signal, and then adjust the backlight intensity to maximize contrast. This system creates a dynamic contrast that is up to 5X that of the original panel contrast, significantly improving black levels for deep images in virtually any viewing environment.

For 2007, REGZA 720p models truly stand out with beautiful high-gloss black cabinetry, currently uncommon in this category. Plus, the entire 2007 REGZA line also includes ATSC/QAM digital tuning, SRS WOW(TM) sound, a PC input, and three HDMI(TM) inputs for simple and complete all-digital connectivity.

Toshiba will also offer two REGZA LCDVD(TM) models in 26" diagonally measured and 32" diagonally measured sizes. These models offer all of the advanced technologies of the REGZA 720p TV models, plus a built-in DVD player with internal upconversion to 720p for HD display.

REGZA 1080p Full HD - HL167 Series

Toshiba continues to expand its 1080p offering and is adding a 52" diagonally measured LCD model to its REGZA 1080p Full HD line-up, which already includes 42" and 47" diagonally measured models.

2007 REGZA 1080p Full HD models all accept 1080p input signals and include enhancements such as ColorBurst, and CE-Link (HDMI - CEC). While a standard LCD TV may only reproduce 72% of the NTSC color gamut, ColorBurst is a wide color gamut LCD that can reproduce 90%+ for 25% more color. REGZA 1080p Full HD models now provide both enhanced resolution and increased color depth for richer colors and more realistic images. CE-Link allows two-way control between the TV and applicable source devices, such as HD DVD, through the HDMI cable. The user can use the TV remote to control the source devices, or the source devices to control the TV, allowing simplified operation. Because no IR is needed, the source devices can be placed in a cabinet or closet, which is perfect for flat panel TV applications. To ensure flexible remote connectivity of non CE-Link source devices, Full HD models also include an IR Pass-Through jack.

2007 REGZA 1080p Full HD models feature new step-up high-gloss black cabinetry that further differentiates the 720p and 1080p Full HD series. These models also include Toshiba's Native Mode, which provides clean 1080p pixel-for-pixel display without any overscanning.

Cinema Series(R) REGZA 1080p Full HD - LX177 Series

In addition to the many enhancements made throughout the new REGZA line, Toshiba is proud to offer four new Cinema Series REGZA 1080p Full HD models in 42", 46", and new 52" and 57" diagonally measured screen sizes - 57" is the largest flat panel TV Toshiba has offered yet. In addition to the features and benefits of all the new REGZA models mentioned above, 2007 Cinema Series REGZA models also feature new ClearFrame 120 Hz anti-blur technology. This advanced technology doubles the frame rate from 60 frames per second to 120 frames per second using Motion Vector Frame Interpolation, virtually eliminating motion blur without adding flicker or reducing image brightness. This makes Cinema Series REGZA the perfect choice for fast action movies and sports. The Cinema Series REGZA HDMI connections also include Deep Color and XVycc technology for further enhanced color space.

Cinema Series REGZA 1080p Full HD models also feature a new and innovative premium cabinet design with new SoundStrip2 technology. This technology utilizes an acoustic chamber within the set to develop rich bass, natural voices and crisp highs, all with a further reduced cabinet height enhancing the overall Cinema Series design.

In addition, Cinema Series REGZA models target high-end home theater applications with connectivity such as an IR input and a THINC(TM) RJ-45 connection, plus Virtual Dolby(R) sound and a new 6-Item A/V illuminated universal remote.

Expected Availability

REGZA
26HL67 (March/April 2007)
32HL67 (March/April 2007)
37HL67 (March/April 2007)
42HL67 (March/April 2007)

REGZA LCDVD
26LV67 (March/April 2007)
32LV67 (March/April 2007)

REGZA 1080p Full HD
42HL167 (March/April 2007)
47HL167 (June/July 2007)
52HL167 (June/July 2007)

Cinema Series REGZA 1080p Full HD
42LX177 (June/July 2007)
46LX177 (June/July 2007)
52LX177 (June/July 2007)
57LX177 (June/July 2007)

Summer is a long time away.
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Cablecard and TV Guide on the 52" LX177????

(The 2006 46" REGZA top 'o the line had these features - I hope they weren't dropped for 2007...)
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Originally Posted by lorenzow View Post

The full press release:



Summer is a long time away.

Yes, but if it's band free, which i am certain it will be, it jumps ahead of Sharp. Also, this set looks like it will also have 1.3. I'm thru with Sharp, I'm going to give Toshiba a look.
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Originally Posted by lorenzow View Post

The full press release:



Summer is a long time away.

Does anyone knwo anything about the Contrast Ratio specs for these sets , particularly the LX177 series?

Thanks
JW
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And, what about it's BLU? Important factors for PQ are color, CR,... For motion, 120Hz/VP. For PC, 1080p & 1:1. This stuff, I can see. How well does the Tosh measure up?
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I'd love to see the CR #'s as this is an area that Toshiba has definitely lagged (far) behind the competition. Although it sounds like they are finally implementing a dynamic backlight, which should help the CR #'s....

If they can keep the price simliar to the 92U's, even have a 1,500:1 ACTUAL contrast ratio, and can produce an even backlight, I could become a Toshiba convert... (They'd have to have REAL product available by June, though... not sure I can even wait that long...)
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Originally Posted by dmzguy View Post

I'd love to see the CR #'s as this is an area that Toshiba has definitely lagged (far) behind the competition. Although it sounds like they are finally implementing a dynamic backlight, which should help the CR #'s....

If they can keep the price simliar to the 92U's, even have a 1,500:1 ACTUAL contrast ratio, and can produce an even backlight, I could become a Toshiba convert... (They'd have to have REAL product available by June, though... not sure I can even wait that long...)

Is the Toshiba press release all we know about this series? I also would be interested in the CR plus the size and weight for the 57 inch model. Any pictures yet?
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Anybody have any idea what the suggested MSRP's are going to be? I'd like to know so I'll know how big a second mortgage I'll have to take out.Thanks. -Bill
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Originally Posted by Digitally challe View Post

Anybody have any idea what the suggested MSRP's are going to be? I'd like to know so I'll know how big a second mortgage I'll have to take out.Thanks. -Bill

I also would like to know the price for the 57 inch model.
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Who makes the panels for Tosh?
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr View Post

Who makes the panels for Tosh?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9765016

Some seem to think it might be Che Mei (CMO) and AUO. Other thoughts are a joint venture among Toshiba, Matsushita and Hitachi in an IPS technology panel (IPS Alpha, as opposed to some form of PVA).

http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/off...n041029-2.html

Anyone know for sure?
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr View Post

Who makes the panels for Tosh?

According to an article posted by Westa in the Sharp D92U owners' thread, LPL and AUO have been making Toshiba panels. If I read the article correctly, they are the first and third largest panel-makers in the world.

You can find the article at http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/1679/98/
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Hi,

I wonder when there will be any further news on the LX 177 ?
(still struggling whether the Sharp D92 should be my one or the upcomming Toshiba but there are no further news -yet?)
K
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Originally Posted by garniemand View Post

Hi,

I wonder when there will be any further news on the LX 177 ?
(still struggling whether the Sharp D92 should be my one or the upcomming Toshiba but there are no further news -yet?)
K

I'm trying to find out more info, i will post it as soon as possible.
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9672518-1.html

ETA: second quarter of 2007

Toshiba 52LX177 Features

1080p HDTV Resolution
PixelPure 3G 14 Bit Digital Video Processing
ClearFame 120Hz Anti-Blur
ColorBurts Wide Color Gamut Panel
HDMI Deep Color Support
HDMI xvYCC Support
DynaLight Dynamic Backlight
CineSpeed High-Contrast LCD Panel
3 HDMI (1080p In)
CE-Link
Native Mode
ATSC/QAM Digital Tuning
SRS WOW Sound
Virtual Dobly
THINC 2 (RJ45 Port)
PC Input
Side A/V in
Channel and Input Labeling
IR Pass-Through
post #16 of 3440
Came across this.......too bad they are scam artists.
http://www.earthcommerce.com/PD/56/017000237856.html
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

I'm trying to find out more info, i will post it as soon as possible.
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9672518-1.html

ETA: second quarter of 2007

Toshiba 52LX177 Features

1080p HDTV Resolution
PixelPure 3G 14 Bit Digital Video Processing
ClearFame 120Hz Anti-Blur
ColorBurts Wide Color Gamut Panel
HDMI Deep Color Support
HDMI xvYCC Support
DynaLight Dynamic Backlight
CineSpeed High-Contrast LCD Panel
3 HDMI (1080p In)
CE-Link
Native Mode
ATSC/QAM Digital Tuning
SRS WOW Sound
Virtual Dobly
THINC 2 (RJ45 Port)
PC Input
Side A/V in
Channel and Input Labeling
IR Pass-Through

If the LX177 can live up to its specs(and my expectations), I may have found my next TV. However, I still would like to compare it to the also upcoming Samsung 81. May the better TV win(along with we the consumers)!!!!!
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I'm looking at possibly buying a 42inch LCD by years end and looked at some of the REGZA stuff online today. According to Toshiba (I called their customer service line) the Cinema series will come with a built in DVD player, this IMO is a bad thing. Was the custserv rep wrong or is this true?
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

I'm looking at possibly buying a 42inch LCD by years end and looked at some of the REGZA stuff online today. According to Toshiba (I called their customer service line) the Cinema series will come with a built in DVD player, this IMO is a bad thing. Was the custserv rep wrong or is this true?

no way

I think he was def wrong on this one

I don't mind the dvd player if the tv performs without flaws
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Originally Posted by Amel View Post

no way

I think he was def wrong on this one

I don't mind the dvd player if the tv performs without flaws

I thought it was odd too :dunno:

I do mind the dvd player, I worked in service for awhile at bby and combo's suck
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The Regza HXD has a contrast ratio of 800:1 on their website. I do not see a CR on the cinema series. 800:1 seems rather poor though, or am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

I'm looking at possibly buying a 42inch LCD by years end and looked at some of the REGZA stuff online today. According to Toshiba (I called their customer service line) the Cinema series will come with a built in DVD player, this IMO is a bad thing. Was the custserv rep wrong or is this true?

No, it is not true, at least not the sets we are talking about that competes with the Sharp 92u, Sony XBR2/3, and the Samsung 65F series.
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

The Regza HXD has a contrast ratio of 800:1 on their website. I do not see a CR on the cinema series. 800:1 seems rather poor though, or am I wrong?

The LX 177 series will have a dynamic CR of between 8000:1 to 15000:1 with a native CR of 2000:1 to 3000:1. Don't get caught up in dynamic CR which is measured from the whitest white to blackest black. A more accurate and realistic CR rating is "ansi" or what the CR measures during normal viewing which consists of varying degrees of contrast. Also, a high CR number means nothing if it crushes blacks and shadow detail sux. Since the new Toshiba is capable of 4096 shades of grey the possibility exists that the shadow detail will approach that of the Sony SXRD.
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

The LX 177 series will have a dynamic CR of between 8000:1 to 15000:1 with a native CR of 2000:1 to 3000:1. Don't get caught up in dynamic CR which is measured from the whitest white to blackest black. A more accurate and realistic CR rating is "ansi" or what the CR measures during normal viewing which consists of varying degrees of contrast. Also, a high CR number means nothing if it crushes blacks and shadow detail sux. Since the new Toshiba is capable of 4096 shades of grey the possibility exists that the shadow detail will approach that of the Sony SXRD.

Good info for a noob, thank you!
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Even more important than the contrast ratio is the color gamut percentage. Anyone know what it is for this TV?
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Originally Posted by elg2001 View Post

Even more important than the contrast ratio is the color gamut percentage. Anyone know what it is for this TV?

I posted in another thread that the lower model 167 series would be 90% + and that the top of the line LX177 would approch 100% because it's capable of "deep color" and 1.3.
post #27 of 3440
The panel/BLU provide the color, not the pipe/chips. LEDs and 5 wavelength will improve color %. HDMI spec (1.3) will provide NO addition without improved content, which is currently unavailable. >=10bit VPs will avoid reducing color scale steps while processing 8bit input, but do not actually add to the TV's color spectrum.

Post CES, reports were that Tosh would include Micronas' truD HD. The big half of PQ remains the panel, which Tosh does not make. I'll wait and hope for the best.
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I've been waiting to see the complete specs on the 42lx177. Looks very nice. Crutchfield is the only one so far that I have seen with this model listed on it's site. Hope it's going to be available soon. I'm getting impatient.

I'm also considering Sony's KDL-40v3000, but that looks to a be long time away and probably will have a higher street price, especially at first. But as far as I can tell these two models match up fairly well as far as specs/features.
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr View Post

Post CES, reports were that Tosh would include Micronas' truD HD.

They said the same thing about the Sharp D92, and it turned out to be false information . I'd suggest not repeating this, as it will likely get legs (like the Sharp thing) and it will be assumed that it's true.
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Originally Posted by cliffw63 View Post

I've been waiting to see the complete specs on the 42lx177. Looks very nice. Crutchfield is the only one so far that I have seen with this model listed on it's site. Hope it's going to be available soon. I'm getting impatient.

I'm also considering Sony's KDL-40v3000, but that looks to a be long time away and probably will have a higher street price, especially at first. But as far as I can tell these two models match up fairly well as far as specs/features.

I didn't find any new information on the LX177 on the Toshiba site; only the 7 Jan 2007 press release. Is there something newer than that? If so, can you provide a link?
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