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Pioneer announces four new receivers for 2007

post #1 of 27
1/8/07 at 3:30am
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From Engadget:

Pioneer today announced four new A/V receivers -- lovingly designated as the VSX-517, VSX-817, VSX-917V, and VSX-1017TXV (pictured) -- three of which feature compatibility with Sirius' SiriusConnect SC-H1 and XM's Connect & Play Satellite Radio solutions. The VSX-1017TXV top-of-the-range THX Select 2 certified model also features iPod connectivity -- seriously, what doesn't in this day and age? -- via a separate and optional iPod docking station. All four receivers feature Pioneer's proprietary digital sound processing technologies which are designed to adapt the audio output to different room spaces, as well as Pioneer's Multi-Channel Acoustic Calibration for optimizing sound across several channels. Now for the raw specs: the first three models are all capable of pumping 110 Watts over each of their 7 channels -- 5 in the case of the VSX-517 -- with the top end 1017TXV upping that another 10 to 120 Watts/channel output. Only the top two models (VSX-917V and VSX-1017TXV) feature HDMI video switching, so if you opt for either the VSX-517 or VSX-817 you'll have to settle for their audio-only coaxial and optical inputs. Pioneer is asking $199 for the VSX-517, $299 for the VSX-517, $399 for the VSX-917V, and has yet to make its mind up on a tag for the VSX-1017TXV. Bar the top end model which will be available in July this year, all other models will be up for sale in April.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/p...ius-satellite/

Hmmm... still no mention of any Dolby True HD or DTS-HD processing. I'm assuming more model announcements are on the way.
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post #2 of 27
1/8/07 at 8:07am
I was hoping to see some new models in Elite series, no news on those.
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post #3 of 27
1/8/07 at 8:13am
399 for the 917v sound great to me as long as it can process 7 channel pcm, with no lfe problems. It'll fit perfect with my ps3. I'm all about bugdet recivers because i don't have the funds for the hi-end toys.
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post #4 of 27
1/8/07 at 8:33am
The 917 is going to be video pass through only. Still, I think it is a good deal. It'll be one of the most affordable HDMI receivers on the market.

I doubt we'll see any new Elite models soon because of HDMI 1.3. I bet the new 82 and 84 equivalent receivers will be 1.3 capable. Denon is the first to announce 1.3 capable receivers and those are not coming out for a while and I bet Pioneer won't be far behind.
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post #5 of 27
1/8/07 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by Chaosphere482 View Post

Denon is the first to announce 1.3 capable receivers...

Where did you get that from? Do you have a link?
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post #6 of 27
1/8/07 at 9:21am
[quote=Chaosphere482]The 917 is going to be video pass through only. Still, I think it is a good deal. It'll be one of the most affordable HDMI receivers on the market.

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Sounds like another HK AVR240 to me if it doesn't do audio via HDMI. Now if $399 is MSRP and you only have to pay $299 that is one thing but if $399 is street, then the deal is not so good IMHO.

Greg
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post #7 of 27
1/8/07 at 9:22am
Should i wait for these to come out or just pick up the VSX-1016TX ?
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post #8 of 27
1/8/07 at 9:59am
looks like more of the same to me, HDMI with video pass through only, stressing IPOD and XM compatability....most receivers have this. Would be nice if Pioneer could suprise us with somethig like they did with the 1015, then went and dummied it down with the 1016 and still in the same rutt.
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post #9 of 27
1/8/07 at 10:58am
Here is the official release from Pioneer Electronics:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...139549,00.html

There are also pictures of the new 817, 917 and 1017 on the sidebar on the right.
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post #10 of 27
1/8/07 at 11:17am
Heres an image of the new VSX-1017TX:
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post #11 of 27
1/8/07 at 1:04pm
Will any new Pioneer Elite receivers be show at CES, or will they be announced at a later date? CEDIA?
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post #12 of 27
1/8/07 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by peterpioli View Post

Will any new Pioneer Elite receivers be show at CES, or will they be announced at a later date? CEDIA?

Pioneer typically announces their Elite line-up later than the standard line. In the past, these announcements have come anywhere from early to late summer, so June to August timeframe. I think CEDIA isn't until Sept. 5th, so if new Elites are being released, you would probably see them then.
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post #13 of 27
1/8/07 at 6:42pm
I can't remember exactly where I read about Denon's anouncement of 1.3 but it was either engagenet, audioholics, CNet, or Denon.com. That's official. In terms of me saying that Pioneer will closely follow with 1.3 capable Elite receivers was my humble opinion. They are one of Blueray's main manufactures, developed the first (I believe) 1080p plasma, developed one of the first series of 1080p capable receivers so I woundn't see why they wouldn't be one the first to jump on 1.3.

In terms of 917 (and 1017) being only video pass through I'm guessing that somebody thats "only" going to spend $399 on a receiver probably isn't going to get an HD DVD or Blueray player anytime soon so using SPDIF would provide the exact same sound quality for the moment. However, I'm not disagreeing that HDMI audio processing would be better. $399 MSRP will be one of the most affordable HDMI receivers.

I have my ears opened for the word on the next Elite receivers. I'm axiously waiting to hear something official.
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post #14 of 27
1/8/07 at 7:39pm
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I can't remember exactly where I read about Denon's anouncement of 1.3 but it was either engagenet, audioholics, CNet, or Denon.com. That's official. In terms of me saying that Pioneer will closely follow with 1.3 capable Elite receivers was my humble opinion. They are one of Blueray's main manufactures, developed the first (I believe) 1080p plasma, developed one of the first series of 1080p capable receivers so I woundn't see why they wouldn't be one the first to jump on 1.3.

In terms of 917 (and 1017) being only video pass through I'm guessing that somebody thats "only" going to spend $399 on a receiver probably isn't going to get an HD DVD or Blueray player anytime soon so using SPDIF would provide the exact same sound quality for the moment. However, I'm not disagreeing that HDMI audio processing would be better. $399 MSRP will be one of the most affordable HDMI receivers.

I have my ears opened for the word on the next Elite receivers. I'm axiously waiting to hear something official.

Sorry new to the whole audio thing, but what does SPDIF mean? Also since the Pioneers will not pass audio through HDMI, the only "EXTRA" connection you would have to make is running an audio cable from the Television to the reciever correct? Or is there something else?
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post #15 of 27
1/8/07 at 7:47pm
SPDIF either refers to an optical or coaxial digital connection.

And yes, you are right. You would need to add a digital audio connection to the receiver in addition to the HDMI cable. To my understanding HDMI audio and SPDIF will sound the same for current Dolby and DTS movies. But when it comes to Dolby Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS Master Audio, (DVD audio?) HDMI will have an advantage as it is upgradable and has a larger bandwidth to accomodate the new sound formats.
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post #16 of 27
1/8/07 at 7:57pm
Yep we'll see the new elite line this summer, no way they announce it so early in product sale cycle of the 8x series...
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post #17 of 27
1/8/07 at 8:55pm
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Sorry new to the whole audio thing, but what does SPDIF mean?

S/PDIF is short form for "Sony/Philips Digital Interface Format" and is named after the two companies, which designed it.

As Chaosphere482 already mentioned, it refers to optical and digital co-ax connection.
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post #18 of 27
1/18/07 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by Chaosphere482 View Post

The 917 is going to be video pass through only. Still, I think it is a good deal. It'll be one of the most affordable HDMI receivers on the market.

That means we wont be able to use it,as an HDMI to PCM for new HD audio forats l

like DTS HD etc etc decoding ?

Since I have a still boxed 916 that lacks just of hdmi ins,and 100W instead of the

new one 110W.Btw if theres something more i couldnt see,if u know it please

help.
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post #19 of 27
1/18/07 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by peterpioli View Post

Will any new Pioneer Elite receivers be show at CES, or will they be announced at a later date? CEDIA?

A couple of other threads mentioned this already..
@ ICES the Elite flagship was shown in a hotel suite..
Replacements for the 82 and 84 are targeted for CEDIA, basic challenges are 1.3 ICs and certain HD audio codecs not yet certified from Dolby & DTS.

Regarding Denon @ ICES in the Alladin Hotel they they did show their new AVR lineup but like confirmed by all of the primary AVR brands the holdups are 1.3 ICs and pending HD audio codec certifications.

If the technical holdups continue..
The AVR rollout with HDMI 1.3 level compliance will be too late for this Fall and will slip into 2008..

Just my $.02 worth...
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post #20 of 27
1/18/07 at 8:46am
meh
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post #21 of 27
1/18/07 at 9:20am
I have been trying to read the specs on the 1016 vs the 1017 and it seems these units are about the same except for a little more power on the 1017 and the "ipod" thing. I know I am probably missing something so has anyone done a comparison of the 2 and if so give me idea what on the 1017 makes it different from the 1016.

Thanks
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post #22 of 27
1/18/07 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by luniz97 View Post

Should i wait for these to come out or just pick up the VSX-1016TX ?


I don't see anything here that seems to be a big step up from the 1016. I am still perfectly happy with my 1014 and none of the later models has had enough enhancements to make me even think about upgrading.

When we get audio decoding over hdmi 1.3, then I am there. As long as the HDMI connections stay soley as video passthrough, I could care less
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post #23 of 27
1/18/07 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by RonH54 View Post

I have been trying to read the specs on the 1016 vs the 1017 and it seems these units are about the same except for a little more power on the 1017 and the "ipod" thing. I know I am probably missing something so has anyone done a comparison of the 2 and if so give me idea what on the 1017 makes it different from the 1016.

Thanks

hopefully audio pass through too, wishful thinking!
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post #24 of 27
1/18/07 at 7:10pm
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meh

indeed.
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post #25 of 27
4/3/07 at 11:32am
That's a deal killer for me. I'll wait 'till July and check out the 1017.
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post #26 of 27
4/3/07 at 12:04pm
Bring on the HDMI 1.3 models, Pioneer!
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post #27 of 27
4/6/07 at 8:27pm
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That's a deal killer for me. I'll wait 'till July and check out the 1017.

HOLY CRAP You're right. I was thinking about getting one till I saw you're post and thought you must be mistaken, but you're not. WOW! Deal breaker indeed!
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