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post #31 of 153
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Originally Posted by ManicMiner View Post

Great stuff ssabripo!

Do you have a better picture of the new Ultra enclosure? From what I can tell of what I can see of the brochure it is front firing, with 3 ports? Did you notice the size of the ports, and also what material is the cone of the Ultra driver made of?

Yeah. The cone compound is not aluminium as I can see from the pic. Probably kevlar and some other polymer. Awesome pics!
post #32 of 153
Let's hope those are 4" ports. 16Hz with two 4" ports open?
post #33 of 153
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Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post

Let's hope those are 4" ports. 16Hz with two 4" ports open?

And the cabinet volume/efficiency to go with it? Yikes...
post #34 of 153
I just can't imagine that SVS would design a cabinet that would shortchange the performance of that driver. I'm sure it must be well thought out and optimized.
post #35 of 153
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Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post

Let's hope those are 4" ports. 16Hz with two 4" ports open?

Not possible in a box sized like that.
post #36 of 153
Hopefully this report just in at another site from an attendee is not accurate.

"The move from the Alexis Park to the Venetian is at best a disaster for the attendees and for the manufacturers who paid good money to be there.

For the attendees, go through the casino, make your way to the elevators and ride up 29 floors totally jammed with people, get off the elevator in the designated smoking section. Walk around in a daze trying to figure who's where. No bathrooms anywhere if you need to use 'em, ride the elevator down 29 floors, walk through the casino to find the men's room... And forget about vendors selling records, CD's, tubes, tweaks like they did in past years at the Alexis Park... they're not allowed to do that at the Venetian. I did not hear one system/room that sounded good. Not one. The rooms were not meant to showcase audio, or HT for that matter.

From the manufacturers perspective the traffic is light for all of the reasons listed above. The costs are astronomical too: not allowed to bring their own gear into the hotel, pay $300 to the hotel to move the furniture out of the way in the room, etc... lotsa folks saying no more CES, they'll sign up to T.H.E. Show next year."
post #37 of 153
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Originally Posted by jakeman View Post

Hopefully this report just in at another site from an attendee is not accurate.

"The move from the Alexis Park to the Venetian is at best a disaster for the attendees and for the manufacturers who paid good money to be there.

For the attendees, go through the casino, make your way to the elevators and ride up 29 floors totally jammed with people, get off the elevator in the designated smoking section. Walk around in a daze trying to figure who's where. No bathrooms anywhere if you need to use 'em, ride the elevator down 29 floors, walk through the casino to find the men's room... And forget about vendors selling records, CD's, tubes, tweaks like they did in past years at the Alexis Park... they're not allowed to do that at the Venetian. I did not hear one system/room that sounded good. Not one. The rooms were not meant to showcase audio, or HT for that matter.

From the manufacturers perspective the traffic is light for all of the reasons listed above. The costs are astronomical too: not allowed to bring their own gear into the hotel, pay $300 to the hotel to move the furniture out of the way in the room, etc... lotsa folks saying no more CES, they'll sign up to T.H.E. Show next year."


Agreed, Although CES should not be canceled, the manufacturers should not resort to the kinda treatment they are receiving from Sin City. Instead of welcoming them with cost incentives they screw them in the back with a three fold price increase in everything just for that week.. Why, because they can..

Why not find a new location to host CES? Granted, the cost to the manufacturers to attend CES is ridiculous.
post #38 of 153
Orlando could easily host it with its huge Convention center & hotels around it. I work at the largest Marriott in the world there & we are in the process of adding on the largest ballroom in the world.
post #39 of 153
They are building a HUGE new state of the art conference center in Branson, MO. It is on one of the lakes in a new development area called Branson Landing. They will be trying to fill it up for next year.

You don't get much more centrally located than that.

-Eli
post #40 of 153
sweet pics, thanks. Now I am drooling to build a new sub. I can't wait to get a bigger house now.
post #41 of 153
It needs to go back to Chicago AND be in the summer time again. The CE Show doesn't allow manufacturers to show anything "new" and create hype for the holiday selling season ... it is essentially pointless from a business perspective, given its now astronimical cost.
post #42 of 153
It's almost turned into a "bragging rights" type of event, plus it's too crowded, plus it's too damn expensive for the little guys, the videogame industry recognized this a long time ago.

2 shows back in the day was very sweet.
post #43 of 153
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Originally Posted by TrzVpr View Post

Agreed, Although CES should not be canceled, the manufacturers should not resort to the kinda treatment they are receiving from Sin City. Instead of welcoming them with cost incentives they screw them in the back with a three fold price increase in everything just for that week.. Why, because they can..

Why not find a new location to host CES? Granted, the cost to the manufacturers to attend CES is ridiculous.

CES right now is a lose-lose situation -- for everyone except Las Vegas!

Right after Christmas, almost no vendors have their new lines ready for next year's big selling season. The consumer's don't get to see the actual products they'll be buying next Chistmas. And the event is so far removed in time from the next big selling season that no one remembers anything anyway. All the media can do is work the floor and generate page after page of "...Then I went to ABCs booth. They had this and that. Then I went to DEFs booth..." which no one reads because most products are not ready and won't be for months.

And guess who pays for all this waste? We do!
post #44 of 153
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Originally Posted by meeks32 View Post

Orlando could easily host it with its huge Convention center & hotels around it. I work at the largest Marriott in the world there & we are in the process of adding on the largest ballroom in the world.

It would be a feather in your cap to land next years CEA event. Might be worth making a call or presentation to CEA executives and making a pitch in light of this fiasco. I used to jump at similar opportunities. Still do.
post #45 of 153
another huge problem with just the one show is that you have manufacturers announcing products for q3/4, when the time arrives, we're all scouring the boards and web to figure out if they are actually still being released and where to get em.

Also, imo, the keynotes are ridiculous, new windows, new iphone, blah blah... What is Jobs wearing, what color was Bill's sweater, etc....

Xbox 360 is getting IPT, wow!!!!!
Pioneer announces SED beating technology but won't show it....
Panasonic dumping on LCD...
Iphone can connect to google......
Samsung lands Loreal contract for Booth Girls...
"insert company here" announces revolutionary "insert product here" that will
change the world...
post #46 of 153
forgive my rant, perhaps my expectations were a little unrealistic
post #47 of 153
I know this is the Sub forum, but where there any new showings of SVS speakers? I thought they were going to be displaying them at CES?

Any word or pictures?
post #48 of 153
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Originally Posted by new27 View Post

another huge problem with just the one show is that you have manufacturers announcing products for q3/4, when the time arrives, we're all scouring the boards and web to figure out if they are actually still being released and where to get em.

Also, imo, the keynotes are ridiculous, new windows, new iphone, blah blah... What is Jobs wearing, what color was Bill's sweater, etc....

Xbox 360 is getting IPT, wow!!!!!
Pioneer announces SED beating technology but won't show it....
Panasonic dumping on LCD...
Iphone can connect to google......
Samsung lands Loreal contract for Booth Girls...
"insert company here" announces revolutionary "insert product here" that will
change the world...

I'm sure it's coincidental that the annual Adult Entertainment Awards are scheduled concurrently at the Sands...
post #49 of 153
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Originally Posted by ggunnell View Post

I'm sure it's coincidental that the annual Adult Entertainment Awards are scheduled concurrently at the Sands...

HaHaHa... Hidden incentives for Execs.. Meet 'their' favorite actresses and/or clients..
post #50 of 153
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

I know this is the Sub forum, but where there any new showings of SVS speakers? I thought they were going to be displaying them at CES?

Any word or pictures?

The only pictures so far are on page 1 of this thread..

Ron said they would have an Ultra Woofer prototype for display (at the very least) @ CES but were not ready to showcase a finished product.

The most anybody really expected to see was the ultra driver and maybe some specs..

But, as it appears from the second pic with brochure, the single driver sub is closed to being finalized as Front Firing with three ports..
post #51 of 153
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Originally Posted by ManicMiner View Post

I hope Ron, Ed or Tom will chime in to tell as more about the new Ultra, I have a TON of questions : )

-Why the switch to FF?
-Cone material?
-Price estimates?
-New amp technology?

1) Elimination of the base plate allowed a substantial increase in interior enclosure volume, which improves output/efficiency at the deepest frequencies.

2) Porting is triple 3.5" (about 15% more port area than dual 4") in the native 20 Hz tune, with 15 Hz, 10 Hz, and sealed tuning options.

3) The single driver Ultra products will feature BASH amps (power range is still being tweaked but expect anywhere 750-950 watts) with:

- RCA I/O with bypassable high pass for daisy-chaining
- XLR I/O with bypassable high pass for daisy-chaining
- variable low pass filter with bypass
- variable phase
- variable tuning switch (20/15/10/sealed)
- room gain compensation control

4) Ultra-13 Woofer Features:
High-temp, flat-wire 3 US aluminum voice coil
Polyimide impregnated fiberglass former
Nickel-plated 1008 low-carbon steel motor components
Copper Faraday ring for enhanced frequency response
13.5 Foam-core/glass composite cone (Polymethacrylimide)
High-excursion parabolic SBR Surround, w/integrated top gasket
Dual linear 9 Spiders, w/integrated lead wires
Exclusive high-strength aluminum die-cast frame
Chrome plated, spring-lock power terminals
Low distortion, FEA optimized motor assembly
Dual stack select grade ferrite magnets (Y-35)

5) Prices - TBD.
post #52 of 153
I also ask, where are the SVS speakers? I own and love their subs, so maybe
my next upgrade will be to their speakers....
post #53 of 153
Ed ... That looks like one heck of a subwoofer design. Any chances of getting some info on the Dual Driver Ultra ?
post #54 of 153
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

1) Elimination of the base plate allowed a substantial increase in interior enclosure volume, which improves output/efficiency at the deepest frequencies.

2) Porting is triple 3.5" (about 15% more port area than dual 4") in the native 20 Hz tune, with 15 Hz, 10 Hz, and sealed tuning options.

3) The single driver Ultra products will feature BASH amps (power range is still being tweaked but expect anywhere 750-950 watts) with:

- RCA I/O with bypassable high pass for daisy-chaining
- XLR I/O with bypassable high pass for daisy-chaining
- variable low pass filter with bypass
- variable phase
- variable tuning switch (20/15/10/sealed)
- room gain compensation control

4) Ultra-13 Woofer Features:
High-temp, flat-wire 3 US aluminum voice coil
Polyimide impregnated fiberglass former
Nickel-plated 1008 low-carbon steel motor components
Copper Faraday ring for enhanced frequency response
13.5 Foam-core/glass composite cone (Polymethacrylimide)
High-excursion parabolic SBR Surround, w/integrated top gasket
Dual linear 9 Spiders, w/integrated lead wires
Exclusive high-strength aluminum die-cast frame
Chrome plated, spring-lock power terminals
Low distortion, FEA optimized motor assembly
Dual stack select grade ferrite magnets (Y-35)

No fair.
post #55 of 153
Ed,

Thanks for that update. Do you expect the first products with the Ultra-13 Woofer to ship in Q1 or Q2?

Also, could you provide some details on your standalone EQ product?
post #56 of 153
Here Is The Cut Sheet For The New Processor
post #57 of 153
Fantastic. Makes the Velo SMS-1 look a little dated
post #58 of 153
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Ed,

Thanks for that update. Do you expect the first products with the Ultra-13 Woofer to ship in Q1 or Q2?

New single driver Ultra products are slated for release in April 2007, so if that slips a bit, Q2 would probably be the safer bet.
post #59 of 153
will the front firing ultra be much better than the new ultra cylinder since that will be down firing?
post #60 of 153
Suh-weet! Man, subwoofers are becoming like PC's. Six months and they're obsolete...
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