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SVS-PB10 vs. HSU VTF-2 MK 2

post #1 of 28
1/9/07 at 8:08am
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Yet another comparison thread: It's the battle of the "budget" subs!

Both of those subs are around the budget limit I have for my new sub. It'll be paired up with my (not bought yet) Onkyo TX-SR604 and HTD Level2 Bookshelfs/Center 5.0 system.

I just wanted to get opinions about the pros and cons and features of both subs.

EDIT: It will be 80% home theater/gaming, 20% music.

EDIT #2: My current (and failing) sub is a Klipsch Promedia sub from their 5.1 ultra PC system. (2x 8" drivers). I'm guessing there will be a very noticeable difference when I upgrade?
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post #2 of 28
1/9/07 at 8:19am
I'd hardly consider these "budget" subs. . . .
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post #3 of 28
1/9/07 at 8:25am
I believe Craig can give you his impressions pretty soon. He has both subs.
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post #4 of 28
1/9/07 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by BoomieMCT View Post

I'd hardly consider these "budget" subs. . . .

I don't either, but some here would

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Originally Posted by Richard Mayer View Post

I believe Craig can give you his impressions pretty soon. He has both subs.

ooo good.
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post #5 of 28
1/9/07 at 10:20am
Hey, budget is relative right.

Craigo
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post #6 of 28
1/9/07 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by Craigo87 View Post

Hey, budget is relative right.

Craigo

It sure is

Unless you live in a communist country...

Are you the Craig with both subs?
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post #7 of 28
1/9/07 at 10:56am
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Are you the Craig with both subs?

Sorry, I meant Craig Chase aka "craigsub".
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post #8 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Richard Mayer View Post

Sorry, I meant Craig Chase aka "craigsub".

Alright. Hopefully he'll come along sometime while this thread is still up. I guess I could just PM him if he doesn't.

I just measured the room that I'll be using for home theater for the time being. It's only 120 square feet. Looks like with whatever choice I make I'll be swimming in bass until I move to a different location.
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post #9 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:05am
It seems like in these SVS vs. HSU comparisons you always get "The SVS is louder and lower, but the HSU is more "musical." What bugs me about that is that the former is objectively verifiable but the second is conveniently subjective. Just my observation, I don't own a sub from either company.
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post #10 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Richard Mayer View Post

Sorry, I meant Craig Chase aka "craigsub".

You are close ... I have the VTF-2 Mark III ... it is $469 now, rather than the $449 for the Mark II, and looks to be a much higher performer overall than the Mark II.

The VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III arrived this morning, and will see duty against the SVS PB10- ISD and the PB12-NSD.
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post #11 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

You are close ... I have the VTF-2 Mark III ... it is $469 now, rather than the $449 for the Mark II, and looks to be a much higher performer overall than the Mark II.

The VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III arrived this morning, and will see duty against the SVS PB10- ISD and the PB12-NSD.

Oh, sorry. Anyways, I think he should get the Mark III.
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post #12 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

You are close ... I have the VTF-2 Mark III ... it is $469 now, rather than the $449 for the Mark II, and looks to be a much higher performer overall than the Mark II.

The VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III arrived this morning, and will see duty against the SVS PB10- ISD and the PB12-NSD.

Nice...I eagerly await the comparison tests.

...and the MK III does look much better than the MK II, for only $20 more. I think it might even sway me away from the PB10 that I was leaning towards...

How much was shipping for the VTF-2 Mark III?

EDIT: $53. Ouch. I guess it's not as bad as the bigger subs though. It is cheaper than shipping for the PB10.

What do you think the Mark III and PB10 would sound like in a 120 sq ft. room?
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post #13 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

You are close ... I have the VTF-2 Mark III ... it is $469 now, rather than the $449 for the Mark II, and looks to be a much higher performer overall than the Mark II.

The VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III arrived this morning, and will see duty against the SVS PB10- ISD and the PB12-NSD.


Craig you know I'm really looking forward to your analysis of the PB-12NSD vs the VTF-3 III.

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post #14 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:33am
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Nice...I eagerly await the comparison tests.

...and the MK III does look much better than the MK II, for only $20 more. I think it might even sway me away from the PB10 that I was leaning towards...

How much was shipping for the VTF-2 Mark III?

EDIT: $53. Ouch. I guess it's not as bad as the bigger subs though. It is cheaper than shipping for the PB10.

What do you think the Mark III and PB10 would sound like in a 120 sq ft. room?

Either sub will deliver some outstanding bass in that room.
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post #15 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

Either sub will deliver some outstanding bass in that room.

That's what I was thinking - and the more I look at the VTf2 mark III the more I like it...are HSU subs more "musical" than SVS in general?
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post #16 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

Craig you know I'm really looking forward to your analysis of the PB-12NSD vs the VTF-3 III.


The PB12-NSD has been here for a couple of weeks ... it is not an Ultra, but for $600, it is VERY good. A definite step up from the PB-10 in every way. That is a compliment to the PB12, not an insult to the PB10.
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post #17 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:42am
I have the pb12 and love it... extension goes down really low (tuned to 18 hz) and is tight... friends that come over to listen don't leave the same...
not sure if the mk3 would do the same... output may be a different story though...
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post #18 of 28
1/9/07 at 11:58am
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The PB12-NSD has been here for a couple of weeks ... it is not an Ultra, but for $600, it is VERY good. A definite step up from the PB-10 in every way. That is a compliment to the PB12, not an insult to the PB10.

I def. agree to the step up on the PB-10....I listened to both before going with the 12. The 10 is really good, but obviously the 12 is better.

I just wonder how the 12nsd compares directly to the VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III
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post #19 of 28
1/9/07 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

I def. agree to the step up on the PB-10....I listened to both before going with the 12. The 10 is really good, but obviously the 12 is better.

I just wonder how the 12nsd compares directly to the VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III


This might be a little off topic, but I noticed that in your setup (bgillyjcu) your center speaker is on a little flat platform mounted on top of your tv - is that a DLP or a Flat Panel? Right now it looks like I might have to build a shelf for my center speaker, but if there's some way to cheat and put it on top of the tv I'll go for that (I have a 42" LCD)
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post #20 of 28
1/9/07 at 12:14pm
Well I have a RPLCD 55inch Sony (the E2000 model).

That little mount is made by OMNIMOUNT.


I bought it on amazon pretty cheap!
Here is the direct link
http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-Cent...&s=electronics
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post #21 of 28
1/9/07 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

Well I have a RPLCD 55inch Sony (the E2000 model).

That little mount is made by OMNIMOUNT.


I bought it on amazon pretty cheap!
Here is the direct link
http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-Cent...&s=electronics

hmm...looks like it would support an 18lb HTD level 2 center...the only problem is that my tv has a ridge that is about 10 inches wide going down the middle, as you can see here
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post #22 of 28
1/9/07 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

Craig you know I'm really looking forward to your analysis of the PB-12NSD vs the VTF-3 III.



I second that one! As an owner of the PB12-NSD, I am very interested in the direct comparison. I have 45 days to make up my mind if I am keeping it or upgrading.
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post #23 of 28
1/10/07 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

You are close ... I have the VTF-2 Mark III ... it is $469 now, rather than the $449 for the Mark II, and looks to be a much higher performer overall than the Mark II.

The VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III arrived this morning, and will see duty against the SVS PB10- ISD and the PB12-NSD.

Any tests yet?
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post #24 of 28
1/10/07 at 12:09pm
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Any tests yet?

Just a few hours of listening to the VTF-3 Mark III on its own - no direct comparisons yet. The new Hsu is one great perfoming sub, especially for the $$$ ... looking forward to an AB session this weekend.
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post #25 of 28
1/10/07 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

I def. agree to the step up on the PB-10....I listened to both before going with the 12. The 10 is really good, but obviously the 12 is better.

I just wonder how the 12nsd compares directly to the VTF-2 Mark III and VTF-3 Mark III

There's some comparison here from someone who owns both:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...83#post9418183
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post #26 of 28
1/10/07 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by xcjago View Post

There's some comparison here from someone who owns both:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...83#post9418183

Thanks. It looks like the HSU and SVS subs in that thread are both great performers. However, the 12" SVS is just a tad over the top pricewise for me. The VTF-2 Mark 3 that I'm considering looks to be fairly similar to the VTF-3, except for having less wattage.
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post #27 of 28
1/11/07 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by xcjago View Post

There's some comparison here from someone who owns both:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...83#post9418183

He is comparing the PB12-NSD to the VTF-MKIII. Are there any comparisons out there on the VTF2-MKIII? I am very interested in that sub.
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post #28 of 28
1/11/07 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by JEFFREY GTS View Post

He is comparing the PB12-NSD to the VTF-MKIII. Are there any comparisons out there on the VTF2-MKIII? I am very interested in that sub.

It looks like they're comparing the VTF3-MKIII. From looking at HSU's website it seems that the performance would be comparable to VTF2-MKIII, except that the "2" has a less powerful amp (250w instead of 350w).

I'm very interested in the VTF2-MkIII as well
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