Universal A No-Show at CES 2007 - Page 3  

Announcing movie release schedule is probably the least important thing at CES. You don't go to a show to get that!

I'm confused that movie announcements are seen as the big BDA coup at this show....I'm sure saner heads will prevail at some point and people see it for what it is. BDA had nothing new to tell us at CES....

Wow, plazman handwaving more.

Please clarify. I'd say what the BDA is doing is handwaving. I am pointing out the obvious.

Just that 'BDA had nothing new to tell us at CES.... ' is about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. World class 'nothing to see here' nonsense.

Hey hddvd fanboys, that elephant is indeed in the room. And you're about to get shoved out.

Can you list some of the interesting BDA announcements and demonstrations from CES other than a release schedule?

I'll ignore your cheerleading for now and stick with the facts

How about:

Pioneer's BDC-202 "combo" 5x Blu-ray drive
HP announces bd135, company's first Blu-ray writer
Sony Vaio XL3 media PC announced, boasts Blu-ray burner
Sony displays prototype "Sapphire" second-gen Blu-ray players
Samsung unveils the first second generation Blu-ray player: BD-P1200

And all those movies..

Thanks for posting that. What's new in the G2 Sony and Sammy players? From the image (that I looked up) it seems like the Sony player looks the same. when do we expect them? Price?

Didn't Pio announce the combo drive a while back?

Just curious, the anounced drives will also play back BD movies, right?

I don't have any of those answers, but I assume more information will be coming shortly.

CES is software and hardware.

Software was trumpeted by HD DVD in CES 2005 and 2006. Now it's crickets for them.

No studio defections despite "predictions" and "insider information" by many on this forum.

Guys like Amir saying that they've requested that HD DVD companies hold off until CES to announce new titles and folks in here saying "just wait until CES" when reminded of Blu-ray's growing overwhelming release slate.

Last time I checked you needed software to sell hardware. What is the incentive for folks to buy HD DVD? Matrix? Harry Potter? They can get that on BD too.
Cars. Pirates of the Carribean. Casino Royale. The Da Vinci Code. Huge box office hits, huge DVD sales, all coming exclusively to Blu-ray Disc.

As far as new BD hardware...the first gen BD hardware JUST CAME OUT! Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, etc have all come out within the last 3 months. The oldest one, Samsung, DID announce a new model. CE's aren't stupid like Toshiba and undercutting new models. The announcement of the cheaper HDMI 1.3 player must have been a kick to the gut of anyone who just bought an A2!

I swear some of these HD DVD folks are sitting in the lounge asking for another brandy while not noticing the rising water and the others heading for the lifeboats.

ohhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHH!!! Plaz!

Surely you can do better than this!

And people wonder why every thread ends up off topic.

I see. Did studios use CES to announce DVD release schedules? First year is fine, after that it should be hardware and technology. JMHO.

I am assuming we'll see the promised 300+ HD DVD schedule soon. We'll also get proof of the extent of WB's neutrality....Uni is chair of the HD DVD promo group.

I am. Funny. My dear, beloved HD DVD was not just handed a stay of execution like Blu-ray.

How many people need to beat it into you? CES is not for announcing movies!! Everyone knew that movies were coming to both formats. Or are you honestly telling me that without such important "press releases" you would have never known there were more Blu-ray movies planned? There is absolultely no news to be found in a few movie lists. Honestly, you should be ashamed of the BDA's virtual abandonment of your format at the show...or are you really that oblivious?...

So for those who missed CES 2007, a boat load of movie announcements from the BDA and its supporters had NOTHING OF ANY IMPORATANCE TO ANNOUNCE. I'm confused why Blu-ray fans actually consider this a good thing. Their format is less than a year old and no news to report? WOW!

And you take that to mean that they'd announce movies titles at the show? I'm sure Amir would have known better than to flood the air with movie titles. What kind of news is that? What's the point in reporting on some clown standing at the front of the room and reading a list we'll be able to find at HighDefDigest next week?

You people act like 300 movies is a small thing. Even though we're crazy about HT here, I get there will be hardly a handful of people here who gets close to 100% of those discs. You really think 300 is a small number? Amazing. So not only is 300 a small number but press releases for movie lists can't be disseminated to the press after CES? Interesting. I wonder where CNN, etc. get their news when it's not the first week in January?...

Can someone explain to me how "no new announcements" from Universal somehow became "no more new releases?" How does this change anything? There's no doubt Universal will continue to support HD DVD throughout the year and at this point it is still way too early to tell. Until that time, let's just all enjoy our HD movies. I can't imagine anyone who owns both formats getting this excited over such trivial news.

You know what's funny. If Blu-ray supporters trolled the HD-DVD boards the HD-DVD supporters would be calling for accounts to be suspended, new forums to be created and the moderators would most likely give them what they want. Yet the same people troll the BD forums time and time again, and we entertain their nonsense. Why? Cause we are confident in our arguments.

You HD-DVD guys can keep moving the goal post all you want. All I heard from every HD-DVD supporter for weeks before CES was the impending switch of studios to Blu-ray and the titles that would be announced. While pointing to HD-DVD's coming "300 titles" from Warner (which will also be available on Blu-ray), the same people try to argue that titles do not matter. Yet the biggest cause of distress among HD-DVD owners is the lack of an announcement by Universal. The one EXCLUSIVE Hd-DVD studio presented NOTHING! If CES was not about software, the software companies (studios), wouldn't be there.

Meanwhile HD-DVD only outsold Blu-ray by 2:1. Given the early lead HD-DVD had by coming to market sooner, and that a lot of Warner titles are still not available on Blu-ray should tell you something. That gap will close once movies like Batman Begins, The Perfect Storm, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, etc. are brought to Blu-ray.

There is nothing that HD-DVD does that Blu-ray can't or won't. Other than a few titles from Universal.

There was a rumor a few days back that MS was going to announce a second version of an xbox360 with HDMI and a HD-DVD player add-on. I among others fell for it. Apparantly this is NOT true. I see this as bad news for the HD-DVD camp, because I personally see hollywood instituting ICT once the war settles. And how do you institute ICT, when a big percentage of the HD-DVD players(xbox360 add-on) won't have HDMI in 3 years! I will go out on the limb and say that MS releasing a HD-DVD player without HDMI, in the long term actually hurt the format.

MS is so concerned about copy protecting their software, yet they don't understand Hollywood wanting to eventually institute ICT.

Universal out sold Sony + Fox + Disney + LG. Universal had 59 titles and the BD exclusives 79. As per the data I saw posted on another thread...

As time goes by you do realize that 2:1 is a significant margin? Not as good as 10:1, but better than 1:1

Do we know when these titles will be available on BD? Are you saying WB will put out more titles on BD than HD DVD for 2007? Have they implied this anywhere?

They have always indicated that they will release all movies currently available to HD-DVD. If you want to add those titles in with the new titles announced, then yes, I would say there should be more titles released on the Blu-ray side. Either way, both sides will have the same titles to choose from, from Warner.

They've done more than implied it, they announced more BD titles in their press release for Blu-ray than their press release for HD DVD. Of course that's not hardware so lets ignore that for now..


No one's mentioned "300 movies". It's hard to believe that claim when it comes in the same breath that 250 HD DVD's were released in 2006. That's 100 more than were actually released. That's 40% less than they claimed in the announcement. How did they get 250? Could they be counting the same movie once for each country?!!! Talk about inflating your figures. If they're claiming 300, the real figure should be 180 (40% of 300)

The BDA on the other hand, should release 300-400 actual titles in north America. The question you should be asking is how many titles are Universal announcing? WB/Paramount releases cancel each other out. Universal's titles will be canceled out by Fox alone and Disney, Lionsgate and Sony will extend the lead

Wow. Umm...just a show of hands...

Did any of you invent these technologies, invest millions of $$ into their development, or something similar?

If not, relax and GO WATCH A MOVIE!!!

Just seems futile and worthless to argue over this stuff, when NO ONE HERE (not even our precious insiders) has any clue!!

I realize it is fun to argue to some degree over the "what ifs" but DAMN, you all sound like Comic Book Guy!!

Take a deep breath, relax, enjoy a movie.

OR, and I LOVE this idea, let's have a boxing match!! We could all beat the hell out of one another, and see which camp wins!! Format neutral people get to the ring the bell...

I guess I am just annoyed to see THREE pages of crap in posts like these, when what I really come to the boards for is info...

None here, sadly...

Yeah, sure. You're confident in your purchases NOW, but when the chips are down people are ready to jump ship, just like the first several months of Blu-Ray's existence. Make no mistakes my misguided friend, some people are ready to throw in the towel the minute ANYTHING goes wrong. You make it sound like everyone who buys an HD-DVD is suddenly giving in. What is wrong with you?

Then you imply this forum is full of mature adults, and there is nothing but whining children in the forum next door. Nice to see this gamer "the grass is greener HERE" mentality has spread to HT forums as well. You'd have to be an idiot to expect people to not post in this thread that are HD-DVD supporters/fans, since the THREAD TITLE ITSELF clearly displays discussion about the main HD-DVD backer.

Because it's posted in the Blu-Ray forum, this is nothing but a flame-bait topic. This is an HD-DVD subject. Wonderful example of maturity there! Maybe next time we can just get it out of the way and title the thread "Blu-Ray is better, nanny-nanny poo-poo." Hypocrite.

Enjoy your hype wave, guys and girls. Hey, Sony's had enough bad news to last a decade over the last 12 months, they had to get SOMETHING positive eventually, right? Hope you're not disappointed when HD-DVD is still pumping out plenty of titles in 2008. That said, I'll be glad to buy a Blu-Ray player when they are a reasonable price. I'm not so dedicated that I'll "refuse" to buy something. But there sure as hell no reason to jump ship just because of one press conference that was spewing corporate hype/propaganda.

But, hey, if you're buying into Sony's "6 Blu-Ray discs were purchased with each PS3!" tale, I pity you too much to actually take issue with you.

wired1, the thing is I've read really weird threads of hddvd supporters basically saying they'd sooner go to hell than go to BD.

Lots of them talking of severe depression and other psychological problems.

Frankly, it's a format. Pick the one with the best specs and most movies. The costs will adjust over time.

From the total darkness that HD-DVD was left at CES, with the no-show from Universal, I wonder if the HD-DVD fanboys have seen the Blu-Thunder?

Just kidding, sorry couldn't resist.

LOL!

LOL again!

Right!!!

And how many of those are exclusive again?

I don't think you'll find many over here that are going to buy your stuff when your own board doesn't even fall for it.

Even IF this was a non-issue, the majority of your HD DVD gang believes it's an issue and that means quite a lot.

http://avzombie.com/blog/2007/01/10/...-announcement/



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Meridian will not be releasing an HD DVD player anytime soon. So says brand spokesman John Bamford, who claims that he was surprised to read that the company had been announced as a hardware partner by the HD DVD Promotion Group during its Las Vegas CES press event.

We're interested in HD DVD, but we're also interested in Blu-ray, says Bamford. Meridian has been helping the HD DVD group with encoding and technical issues but our involvement appears to have been blown up out of all proportion. If we were to launch an HD DVD deck it would not appear for years.

It just keeps going downhill.

I thought they all said that SONY exaggerates here...?

What's Mike Dunn have to do with Universal and what's his picture doing in this thread???