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IMO: The JVC RS-1 is the Best 1080P at CES

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Unlike many here, I am not an expert (real or imagined ) at front projection and am looking for my first projector for my first theater. I came to CES to find out what the best projector for me is without all the hype and flame wars. The RS-1 floored me.

Taking a step back, I spent quite a long time on day one of CES looking at the Panasonic 1000U and the BenQ W1000 (shown at the DLP booth). I was somewhat torn between these projectors as the BenQ popped a little more but was $2000 more (MAP). Also, the screens and rooms that I saw them in were different enough that they could have been the difference I was perceiving.

I then saw a Pearl in the SV Sound suite while listening to subs. (I ignored the picture at first as I was there for the sound.) The Pearl had a really nice picture and the demo benefited from much better light control over what I saw on the floor.

Then I went over to Ceasars to see the RS-1. It was on a (110" ?) ST130 screen in a dark room but with white walls. The picture blew me away. A scene from Too Fast Too Furious was outside at a mansion and was mostly bright with vivid colors. However, you could still see details in the dark areas of the foliage. Amazing. We then moved on to U571 to the screen when they take over the U2. The black level was stunning.

As if I hadn't already been sold, I then sneaked into the invitation only area down stairs where they were showing an HD1 (consumer version) vs. the Pearl. This was in a totally dark room with black velvet "walls" on two 120" ST 130 screens. The black level advantage of the JVC was obvious, especially when showing the clip title which was white letters on a black background. The Sony background was grey compared to the almost black background of the JVC. Also, the white text was not as white on the Pearl. One scene had the WB company logo on a CGI door knocker as part of a very dark brown door. The JVC showed very good detail on the knocker with brighter whites and more dark detail. The total effect made the knocker much more 3D compared to the flatter, less detailed look of the Pearl. The longer I stayed, the more I could see how the JVC trashed the Pearl. (And I think the Pearl looks dammed good.)

A few more details... The RS-1 upstairs was running in low lamp mode and was set to "normal". We changed this to (cinema?) and saw very little difference in the brightness or contrast but a small shift in color temp. The projector was quite! JVC claims 25db but I can tell you that the thing was three feet behind me at ear level and I had to pay attention to hear the fan. The volum on the clips was down low so as not to take away from the picture. A rep there measured the picture at 18 ftlb which he thought was too bright but I enjoyed. He said that the bulb had around 25 hours on it. Jim Faiman, JVC VP for Buisness Development, also demonstrated the response time of the LCD using the WinXP "Star Field" screen saver. He pointed out that just as the stars are about to leave the screen, they speed up. XP does this by skipping pixels. On the JVC, this was clear. Mr. Faiman explained that on projectors with slow refresh rates (slower LCD pannels), the stars will look like a blur rather than as a sequence of pixels. You kind of had to see it.

So, I'm no expert and I'm not going to get into a debate over this technology vs. that one. I'm just a guy who found the perfect projector. Well, except for the fact that I'll have to wait until March or so to get it since I didn't pre-order it.

-Tom
post #2 of 315
AWESOME! Finally another report! Thanks for the post Tom..now time to read it.
post #3 of 315
Thanks for another great report! This wait is killing me!
post #4 of 315
Nice review! Thanks!!!
post #5 of 315
Excellent! Thanks for the post. I can't wait to get mine!
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I expect this to be the "Almost Perfect PJ" that I am looking for which is why I'm on the pre-buy list!

The ONLY thing missing from this baby is the vertical stretch so in the meantime I will be using my 119" DA-LITE HP just as I was using it with my Optoma H79 and when the firmware update is announced to allow for the vertical stretch I am ordering my High Power 150" wide cinemascope screen from Jason!
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I expect this to be the "Almost Perfect PJ" that I am looking for which is why I'm on the pre-buy list!

The ONLY thing missing from this baby is the vertical stretch so in the meantime I will be using my 119" DA-LITE HP just as I was using it with my Optoma H79 and when the firmware update is announced to allow for the vertical stretch I am ordering my High Power 150" wide cinemascope screen from Jason!

My DA-LITE High Power 139" wide cinemascope screen is going to be delivered tomorrow. I have to wait till my FIRST projector RS1 arrives to enjoy BIG SCREEN. Until the firmware update, I will try zooming the picture to enjoy CIH setup. IF, that looks bad, I might just grab an used scaler which I plan to sell if we ever see an firmware update.

I will be lucky if RS1 throws a bright picture on HP screen with lens in line with top edge of the screen. I think it should look fine as my first row will be 16' from screen, second will be 20', and 3rd around 26' from screen. If it doesn't, I have to lower my projector close to center of screen and lose one seat from the 3rd row.
post #8 of 315
I returned to the Augustus ballroom this afternoon (I missed the curtained area last night and only saw the static demo there) and can confirm everything that Tom reports. I liked the Pearl picture, but the black and white levels are both noticeably and significantly better on the RS1. If the RS1 wasn't there you would think the Sony was outstanding on contrast and black level. With the RS1 side by side with it, the Sony looks very grey.

The colors on the JVC were also more vibrant with significantly more "pop."

I was able to walk up to the screens to look for screen door. The pixels and fill rates are about the same on both projectors, as you would expect. They are not distinctly visible until you get within a few feet of the screen. You have to get your nose up to the screen to see them clearly.

With respect to noise, I stuck my ear right next to the exhaust of each projector (they were both above waist height 15 feet away from the screen and the audience stood in front and between them). They are substantially the same in noise, so if you find the Pearl acceptable you'll find the JVC pretty much the same. Both put out a lot of heat.

KO
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Originally Posted by kits View Post

My DA-LITE High Power 139" wide cinemascope screen is going to be delivered tomorrow. I have to wait till my FIRST projector RS1 arrives to enjoy BIG SCREEN. Until the firmware update, I will try zooming the picture to enjoy CIH setup. IF, that looks bad, I might just grab an used scaler which I plan to sell if we ever see an firmware update.

I will be lucky if RS1 throws a bright picture on HP screen with lens in line with top edge of the screen. I think it should look fine as my first row will be 16' from screen, second will be 20', and 3rd around 26' from screen. If it doesn't, I have to lower my projector close to center of screen and lose one seat from the 3rd row.

I'm guessing your ceilings must be 8ft. or lower. If they are at least 9ft, you should be able to mount the pj directly under the center chair in the 3rd row. By putting it directly under the chair you avoid anyone hitting their head on it, since they can't stand directly under where the pj is.
post #10 of 315
Thanks Tom for this great review. Many of us around here have been looking forward to hearing impressions like this so I can tell you it is greatly appreciated.

Its great to hear the 18ftL number. Earlier it was said that JVC gave a 14ftL number for that room which sounded quite low. At 18ftL that puts it at about 500 lumens in low lamp mode, and likely about 600 lumens in high. Although still less than what some people will desire, I feel a lot more comfortable around the 600 lumen mark than were we'd be if it was 14ftL.

A few follow up questions please:

1) How did you feel about the sharpness of the JVC compared to the Pearl? Would you describe it as razor sharp?

2) If you had to guess, what would you say the throw distance was in the room where the 18ftL number was quoted?

Thanks!
post #11 of 315
Wow thanks Tom, damn this PJ seems great, I cant wait to see it
post #12 of 315
Thanks for the impressions!! Can't wait to take this baby for a spin in my theater.
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Thanks Tom for this great review. Many of us around here have been looking forward to hearing impressions like this so I can tell you it is greatly appreciated.

Its great to hear the 18ftL number. Earlier it was said that JVC gave a 14ftL number for that room which sounded quite low. At 18ftL that puts it at about 500 lumens in low lamp mode, and likely about 600 lumens in high. Although still less than what some people will desire, I feel a lot more comfortable around the 600 lumen mark than were we'd be if it was 14ftL.

A few follow up questions please:

1) How did you feel about the sharpness of the JVC compared to the Pearl? Would you describe it as razor sharp?

2) If you had to guess, what would you say the throw distance was in the room where the 18ftL number was quoted?

Thanks!

I've seen the flame wars over LCOS sharpness as compared to DLP. I must admit, however, to not scrutinizing this in the comparison to the Pearl. I can tell you that both were very sharp and I didn't perceive softness in either projector. Perhaps a more experienced person who saw the demo can chime in.

The RS-1 was in the bedroom of a hotel suite. I'm guessing that it was around 15 feet or a little less from the screen. That number is suspect as I'm going from memory.

Also, it is important to note that the RS-1 was upstairs by it's self in the hotel suite. The HD-1 was the one that was side-by-side with the Pearl. The people upstairs told me to go with the RS-1 (pro version) over the HD-1 (consumer version).

-Tom
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Thanks Tom for this great review. Many of us around here have been looking forward to hearing impressions like this so I can tell you it is greatly appreciated.

Its great to hear the 18ftL number. Earlier it was said that JVC gave a 14ftL number for that room which sounded quite low. At 18ftL that puts it at about 500 lumens in low lamp mode, and likely about 600 lumens in high. Although still less than what some people will desire, I feel a lot more comfortable around the 600 lumen mark than were we'd be if it was 14ftL.

A few follow up questions please:

1) How did you feel about the sharpness of the JVC compared to the Pearl? Would you describe it as razor sharp?

2) If you had to guess, what would you say the throw distance was in the room where the 18ftL number was quoted?

Thanks!

As the source of the 14FL number, I have to comment that I now think the JVC rep upstairs had the wrong number. The 18 FL number downstairs sounds more accurate. Certainly, the projector downstairs was more than bright enough even though it was showing on the larger (120 in) screen.

I would rate the JVC as somewhat sharper than the Pearl, but it was not a huge difference. The greater contrast and more vibrant colors were much more noticeable.

The JVC rep downstairs said the projectors were 15 ft away from the screen (and that is about what I would have guessed, too).

KO
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Its great to hear the 18ftL number. Earlier it was said that JVC gave a 14ftL number for that room which sounded quite low. At 18ftL that puts it at about 500 lumens in low lamp mode, and likely about 600 lumens in high. Although still less than what some people will desire, I feel a lot more comfortable around the 600 lumen mark than were we'd be if it was 14ftL.

The JVC rep. said that someone had come in and measured the projector at 14 ftL. They then remeasured the projector with the more accurate sensor the JVC rep had and it measured 18 ftL. This measurement was taken in the lower right hand portion of the screen while displaying a grey scale test image generated by the projector.

Leaving for the AVS party now. My hotel Internet subscription will expire by the time I get back so you won't hear from me again till Thursday when I get back home. (It's $12 a day for crying out loud!)
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Don't sell yourself short Tom! That was a very good review! Thanks.
post #17 of 315
I agree, very good review. You hit most of the important points and relayed your viewing experience quite well. Don't sound like a beginner to me.
post #18 of 315
Thanks Tom and all
Just the fix I was looking for ! I think I can make it 6 more weeks ha ha. Johnathan
post #19 of 315
Great Review! In one short month, those of us on the RS1 prebuy are going to be in for a real treat.... candy.... eye candy
post #20 of 315
Really great review Tom! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts.

Would love to hear from people who have seen the Sharp 20k at the show (I assume it's there), and comment on the differences between it and the RS1.
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Oh my God! I don't think I can make it another month! Can someone put me into carbon freeze and thaw me when the UPS man arrives!!!!!
post #22 of 315
GREAT REVIEW! Thanks for taking the time to share your observations - this is exactly the type of review I like reading and your time is much appreciated.
post #23 of 315
Tom, hopefully you'll check this thread again when you get back home on Thursday...

Did you by any chance also take a look at the Epson 1080p projector? I'm pretty much sold on the JVC, but would still like some comparative comments on this.

Thanks for the review. Nice writeup.
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Can anyone who was in on the pre-buy pm me the price of the RS-1 from the pre-buy? I want to get an idea on what street price level I will be looking at in a few months. I know we can't post it, so please pm to me. Thank you in advance.
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Oh my God! I don't think I can make it another month! Can someone put me into carbon freeze and thaw me when the UPS man arrives!!!!!

LOL.
post #26 of 315
Tom / kolson - thanks for the updates. One point of clarification please - as I'm a bit confused. Was the 18ftL number quotes for the 120" screen downstairs, or the 110" upstairs. If it was for the 120" that would make quite a significant difference (nice improvement) in the lumens.
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Tom / kolson - thanks for the updates. One point of clarification please - as I'm a bit confused. Was the 18ftL number quotes for the 120" screen downstairs, or the 110" upstairs. If it was for the 120" that would make quite a significant difference (nice improvement) in the lumens.

Good point.
post #28 of 315
So are there any advantages to the Pearl or is the JVC better in all regards? Has anyone seen both and prefer the Pearl?
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Originally Posted by tlllava View Post

I've seen the flame wars over LCOS sharpness as compared to DLP. I must admit, however, to not scrutinizing this in the comparison to the Pearl. I can tell you that both were very sharp and I didn't perceive softness in either projector. Perhaps a more experienced person who saw the demo can chime in.

The RS-1 was in the bedroom of a hotel suite. I'm guessing that it was around 15 feet or a little less from the screen. That number is suspect as I'm going from memory.

Also, it is important to note that the RS-1 was upstairs by it's self in the hotel suite. The HD-1 was the one that was side-by-side with the Pearl. The people upstairs told me to go with the RS-1 (pro version) over the HD-1 (consumer version).

-Tom

What exactly is the difference between the two versions? I was in the impression that both projector were identical except casing. Are they different prices?
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So are there any advantages to the Pearl or is the JVC better in all regards? Has anyone seen both and prefer the Pearl?

The street pricing of the Pearl will be a quite a bit lower than what the RS1 will be available at.
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