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Blue laser life span: PS3 vs BD standalone/Add On vs HD DVD standalone players!

post #1 of 22
1/9/07 at 11:47pm
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okay .. lets discuss life span of blue laser heads.

PS3 the same laser is used to read game disks and BD. Will it wear out MUCH MORE faster than lets say compared to the Samsung BD standalone player at $799. So it is that feasible to get a concole BD combo players? because at the end, consumers might ending up need to losing both game playing and BD movie watching functionality in a shorter period of time. as compared to the XBox 360 add on which is sold as a separate medium.
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post #2 of 22
1/9/07 at 11:59pm
Games are generally loaded and cached onto the systems memory... they don't constantly load like movies, and many games on the PS3 have the ability to install and cut down on load times... so it shouldn't be an issue.
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post #3 of 22
1/10/07 at 12:21am
and the panic contiunes....
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post #4 of 22
1/10/07 at 12:22am
Here's tomorrow's...

PS3 s have been secrely videotaped leaving your home entertainment rack late at nite and raiding the icebox.
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post #5 of 22
1/10/07 at 12:28am
What you're looking for is the MTBF of the BR and HD DVD diodes and mechanisms. Good luck in finding that!

If anyone and I mean anyone, might even have the slightest of clues, it'd be "awilliams" (Alex) on here but I'm not sure if he'll even see this thread. If you do Alex, please give use something to fight about. Clearly, there isn't enough at the moment
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post #6 of 22
1/10/07 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by MrHunt View Post

Games are generally loaded and cached onto the systems memory... they don't constantly load like movies, and many games on the PS3 have the ability to install and cut down on load times... so it shouldn't be an issue.

It's going to be an issue just like DVD was an issue for the PS2. I don't have a horse in the Next Gen DVD format war, but I will say I'm not a fan of Sony. In general, their optical drives in particular and new Sony technology to be even more specific.

It's sad really; I was a Sony loyalist for years. Everything in my house was Sony. Sony TV, Sony Receiver, Sony CD Player, Sony Alarm Clock, Sony Answering Machine, Sony Cordless Phone, if Sony made it I had one. Then the PS came along and was less than reliable. Reliability issues and the need to flip early PlayStations upside down in order for them to read game disks were problems I overlooked. After all I had a Sony CD Player that had been running like a champ for years so there was no reason to doubt Sony based on the poor initial performance of early PlayStations. Then DVD came along. I scraped and saved until I could buy a first generation Sony DVD Player, which died on me after a few months and was replaced by a new Sony DVD Player. The second stand alone DVD Player died after a few months as well, but by that point I was the proud owner of a brand new PlayStation 2. I am now on my third PS2, which is my fifth Sony device with a DVD Drive and I am far less enthusiastic about the Sony brand name these days. Funny that I've had six Sony Game Systems due to failed optical drives while my original May of 1995 Sega Saturn is still going strong.

I think the slim line PS2s are a good product, but it took Sony four years to work out all the DVD Drive bugs in the PS2. I'm willing to bet that the PS3 will also have a high drive failure rate. I would keep an eye on the Sony forums for the next six to nine months before committing to buying a PS3. Perhaps Sony has worked out their optical drive woes, but I'm not going to bet on it. I'm going to get a PS3 eventually, but I'm going to let other users play the role of guinea pig for Sony this time around.
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post #7 of 22
1/10/07 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by fistofsouth View Post

It's going to be an issue just like DVD was an issue for the PS2. I don't have a horse in the Next Gen DVD format war, but I will say I'm not a fan of Sony. In general, their optical drives in particular and new Sony technology to be even more specific.

It's sad really; I was a Sony loyalist for years. Everything in my house was Sony. Sony TV, Sony Receiver, Sony CD Player, Sony Alarm Clock, Sony Answering Machine, Sony Cordless Phone, if Sony made it I had one. Then the PS came along and was less than reliable. Reliability issues and the need to flip early PlayStations upside down in order for them to read game disks were problems I overlooked. After all I had a Sony CD Player that had been running like a champ for years so there was no reason to doubt Sony based on the poor initial performance of early PlayStations. Then DVD came along. I scraped and saved until I could buy a first generation Sony DVD Player, which died on me after a few months and was replaced by a new Sony DVD Player. The second stand alone DVD Player died after a few months as well, but by that point I was the proud owner of a brand new PlayStation 2. I am now on my third PS2, which is my fifth Sony device with a DVD Drive and I am far less enthusiastic about the Sony brand name these days. Funny that I've had six Sony Game Systems due to failed optical drives while my original May of 1995 Sega Saturn is still going strong.

I think the slim line PS2s are a good product, but it took Sony four years to work out all the DVD Drive bugs in the PS2. I'm willing to bet that the PS3 will also have a high drive failure rate. I would keep an eye on the Sony forums for the next six to nine months before committing to buying a PS3. Perhaps Sony has worked out their optical drive woes, but I'm not going to bet on it. I'm going to get a PS3 eventually, but I'm going to let other users play the role of guinea pig for Sony this time around.

Not sure what you are talking about since I bought a PS2 on US launch and have had it since (5+ years) and used to use it as a DVD player until I got a stand alone (a year or so after the PS2 launched) and mine is still in perfect working condition.
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post #8 of 22
1/10/07 at 4:07am
Didn't someone already create a similar thread in the other forums in both the blu-ray and HD-DVD forums LAST NIGHT? Some of you are becoming way past transparent.
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post #9 of 22
1/10/07 at 5:40am
Here is the link to an article recently written
http://www.aeropause.com/archives/20...urebdhddvd.php
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post #10 of 22
1/17/07 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by MrHunt View Post

Not sure what you are talking about since I bought a PS2 on US launch and have had it since (5+ years) and used to use it as a DVD player until I got a stand alone (a year or so after the PS2 launched) and mine is still in perfect working condition.

Congratulations because you are the exception to the rule. Just Goggle PS2 and look for issues; I am far from the only one. The entire reason the slim-line PS2 was made marketed and given a ONE YEAR WARRANTY was based on complaints of drive failures on the original PS2.

I honestly think console manufacturers just don't care about QC anymore. Many users have Game Cubes that need to have the laser adjusted every three months, the original Xbox models with Thompson drives had a high failure rate and then there are the aforementioned issues with the PS2. In the meantime old cartridge bases videogame systems keep putting along. I've never had any problems with my Atari VCS or my Magnavox Odyssey 2, which are both over 20 years old.

I minimize the DVD watching on my 360 and if I had a PS3 I would do the same thing with BluRay Disks. I'm glad some have had no issues with their Sony products, but sadly that isn't the case with me.
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post #11 of 22
1/17/07 at 6:16pm
Got a 3 year full coverage warranty on my PS3 and I'll happily buy a new one three years from now if I need to.

-Brian
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post #12 of 22
1/17/07 at 9:15pm
Bootlegged games/movies on CD/DVD-Rs shortened the life of many a PS1/PS2, as they require higher laser power due to their typically poor reflectance relative to pressed media. Sony's AGC loop on their lasers didn't appear to limit the maximum power very well.

I went through three PS1's as a poor student, but when I started working and could afford to buy games, my PSes stopped dying. My launch-date Japanese PS2 still runs like a champ!

Phat
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post #13 of 22
1/17/07 at 10:21pm
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PS3 s have been secrely videotaped leaving your home entertainment rack late at nite and raiding the icebox.

That explains my missing sandwich!

This guy has created 11 threads in his first 10 days here. How about takin' it easy on the "New Thread" button?
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post #14 of 22
1/18/07 at 6:12am
How long is the factory warranty on the PS3?
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post #15 of 22
1/18/07 at 6:34am
I would suspect it depends where it is sold.

It is one year in Canada for the PS/3. In fact, when we complain about price differences with the US (and I am as guilty as anyone) sometimes we fail to remember we nearly always get a one year factory warranty, while it is common to get only 90 days in the US.

Gary
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post #16 of 22
1/18/07 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by csmith75 View Post

Didn't someone already create a similar thread in the other forums in both the blu-ray and HD-DVD forums LAST NIGHT? Some of you are becoming way past transparent.

Yes this has already been discussed on other threads. Please search before posting. I still have a first generation Sony DVD player. 10 years later and it still going strong. Buy a warranty for the PS3 is my recomendation...
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post #17 of 22
1/18/07 at 8:42am
Warranty is 1 year in the US
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post #18 of 22
1/18/07 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by ptran View Post

Bootlegged games/movies on CD/DVD-Rs shortened the life of many a PS1/PS2, as they require higher laser power due to their typically poor reflectance relative to pressed media. Sony's AGC loop on their lasers didn't appear to limit the maximum power very well.

I went through three PS1's as a poor student, but when I started working and could afford to buy games, my PSes stopped dying. My launch-date Japanese PS2 still runs like a champ!

Phat

This is an interesting theory!
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post #19 of 22
1/18/07 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

Got a 3 year full coverage warranty on my PS3 and I'll happily buy a new one three years from now if I need to.

-Brian


Where did you buy this from??

If it is BB look closely...you will see it is a service plan not a replacement plan as they do not offer this on Big ticket items.
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post #20 of 22
1/18/07 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by fistofsouth View Post

I am now on my third PS2, which is my fifth Sony device with a DVD Drive and I am far less enthusiastic about the Sony brand name these days. Funny that I've had six Sony Game Systems due to failed optical drives while my original May of 1995 Sega Saturn is still going strong.

I think the slim line PS2s are a good product, but it took Sony four years to work out all the DVD Drive bugs in the PS2. I'm willing to bet that the PS3 will also have a high drive failure rate. I would keep an eye on the Sony forums for the next six to nine months before committing to buying a PS3. Perhaps Sony has worked out their optical drive woes, but I'm not going to bet on it. I'm going to get a PS3 eventually, but I'm going to let other users play the role of guinea pig for Sony this time around.

LOL! I wonder how many of their oft-quoted mega sales numbers are due to this sort of repeat buying due to PoS quality. "We have sold 4 million players!!!" (Yeah - to the same 1 million people over and over and over....)

And to be fair - same goes for the 360.

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post #21 of 22
1/22/07 at 12:29pm
While my 1st generation Sony (well, slightly after initial rollout, the S3000) is still going strong for my mother, who uses it just as heavily as I do, if not moreso, the Sony DVD players I've owned since then have been awful. There was the S360 timebomb, and my current DVD changer adds all sorts of artifacts, especially to skintones. So color me skeptical.
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post #22 of 22
1/22/07 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

What you're looking for is the MTBF of the BR and HD DVD diodes and mechanisms. Good luck in finding that!

If anyone and I mean anyone, might even have the slightest of clues, it'd be "awilliams" (Alex) on here but I'm not sure if he'll even see this thread. If you do Alex, please give use something to fight about. Clearly, there isn't enough at the moment

I didn't realize people were interested in these details. MTBF for blue laser diodes used in Toshiba HD-DVD drives is 60,000 hours. Likely, the drive as a whole is less than this (the motor is probably more of a limit than the laser). It's also probably safe to assume that a Bluray laser is the same, since I think some of their diode suppliers are the same.

For those wanting to do the math, there is 8760 hours in a year.
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